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Will we make the playoffs?

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  • They haven't scored at home this year or something like that. I think it is your home form which can get you sacked before poor away form as that is what gets the most scrutiny. Slipping out of the play offs will be a factor and they are clearly looking for a new manager bounce like Bolton have had.
  • I've been keeping half an eye on the "OptaAnalyst" prediction table, which gives us a healthy 77.4% change of being promoted via the playoffs. The model they use simulates the remaining fixtures in the competition thousands of times, and I presume they take into account where we might finish and who we might play in the PO semis. Like every prediction this requires more than a pinch of salt. 

    3.12% for a top two finish...so it's not impossible :) 

    https://theanalyst.com/competition/english-league-one


  • I've been keeping half an eye on the "OptaAnalyst" prediction table, which gives us a healthy 77.4% change of being promoted via the playoffs. The model they use simulates the remaining fixtures in the competition thousands of times, and I presume they take into account where we might finish and who we might play in the PO semis. Like every prediction this requires more than a pinch of salt. 

    3.12% for a top two finish...so it's not impossible :) 

    https://theanalyst.com/competition/english-league-one


    I don’t think anyone could argue with that forecast of how the placings will end up. Whoever wins that playoff will have deserved it as there are no easy fixtures from that 4. I’m not sure we have enough to win promotion if I’m honest I think Bolton will be too strong with the form they are showing. If we don’t though I will be gutted asi suspect the likes of Leaburn, Small, Ramsey and even TC might be off 
  • A bit weird that they have Bolton with a fractionally higher expected points total, but us with a fractionally higher chance of automatic promotion!

    Interesting that they think Wycombe are twice as likely to get automatic promotion, when they currently have the same number of points. Clearly they think that Wycombe have an easier run in, but those percentages look exaggerated.
  • P'raps.
  • A bit weird that they have Bolton with a fractionally higher expected points total, but us with a fractionally higher chance of automatic promotion!

    Interesting that they think Wycombe are twice as likely to get automatic promotion, when they currently have the same number of points. Clearly they think that Wycombe have an easier run in, but those percentages look exaggerated.
    Probably because these percentages come from thousands of individual simulations where, to get to the right points total, we’ve beaten Wycombe or Wrexham or both whereas Bolton have already played Wrexham twice and can’t affect their rivals as much as we can.
  • I did one of those score prediction apps to try and see where I saw us and everyone else ending up, and in the end I had Brum running away with the title, Wrexham second and us leapfrogging Wycombe for 3rd. We end up just 3 points behind them in my final table, Wycombe 4th, Bolton 5th and Stockport 6th (which would be my worst nightmare, having watched the game at the weekend, I'd much rather play Bolton in the playoffs)
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  • Isn’t that 77% chance of being in the play-offs rather than getting promoted via them? 
    Nope... 77% chance we'll be promoted via. the Play-Offs
  • It’s a funny coincidence that six years ago under Bowyer, after 35 games played, we were also 5th and also had 60 points.

    The major difference is the points totals of the teams around us.



    Wycombe and Wrexham have an equal number of points to Sunderland in 2019 - with Sunderland in 2019 having played one fewer game than both of them.

    We finished three points above Sunderland and above Portsmouth on goal difference (by one goal).

    Automatics is still doable but will likely require winning 9 of our last 11 matches and then possibly relying on goal difference swings. It’s actually in our favour that we still have to play both Wycombe and Wrexham.
    This is an excellent post and very interesting 
  • It’s a funny coincidence that six years ago under Bowyer, after 35 games played, we were also 5th and also had 60 points.

    The major difference is the points totals of the teams around us.



    Wycombe and Wrexham have an equal number of points to Sunderland in 2019 - with Sunderland in 2019 having played one fewer game than both of them.

    We finished three points above Sunderland and above Portsmouth on goal difference (by one goal).

    Automatics is still doable but will likely require winning 9 of our last 11 matches and then possibly relying on goal difference swings. It’s actually in our favour that we still have to play both Wycombe and Wrexham.
    I've also tweeted this and credited you, I don't think you use twitter and thought that would be cool for people to see as not many will have worked that out.

    I'm now gonna see what games Sunderland won and loss.

    https://x.com/BigBadBraz/status/1899202885440929998?t=Ha4oYAoBSj1BKvK0c8A_mg&s=19
  • Wow, Sunderland had an absolute stinker. Won 4, drew 5 and lost 3. I'd argue that Sunderland side had more quality or was at least on par with Wrexham and Wycombe as well. You just never know. 
  • If we get to the playoffs, as I fully expect us to do, then another Wembley final it is going to be for us, and I hope it’s Wrexham we will stuff.
    Playoff finals are our thing…👍
  • Wow, Sunderland had an absolute stinker. Won 4, drew 5 and lost 3. I'd argue that Sunderland side had more quality or was at least on par with Wrexham and Wycombe as well. You just never know. 
    I seem to remember they lost an absolutely crazy game at home to Coventry, 4-5 I think it was.
  • Now Charlie has gone I'm not so sure...
  • It’s a funny coincidence that six years ago under Bowyer, after 35 games played, we were also 5th and also had 60 points.

    The major difference is the points totals of the teams around us.



    Wycombe and Wrexham have an equal number of points to Sunderland in 2019 - with Sunderland in 2019 having played one fewer game than both of them.

    We finished three points above Sunderland and above Portsmouth on goal difference (by one goal).

    Automatics is still doable but will likely require winning 9 of our last 11 matches and then possibly relying on goal difference swings. It’s actually in our favour that we still have to play both Wycombe and Wrexham.
    I've also tweeted this and credited you, I don't think you use twitter and thought that would be cool for people to see as not many will have worked that out.

    I'm now gonna see what games Sunderland won and loss.

    https://x.com/BigBadBraz/status/1899202885440929998?t=Ha4oYAoBSj1BKvK0c8A_mg&s=19
    Appreciate it and glad you found it interesting. I have an account on there but only ever read stuff, would never post it myself.
  • The big difference is we had already played Sunderland by that point. We still have both Wrexham and Wycombe to play, so in many ways this is more in our hands than 18-19 would have been 
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  • I've been keeping half an eye on the "OptaAnalyst" prediction table, which gives us a healthy 77.4% change of being promoted via the playoffs. The model they use simulates the remaining fixtures in the competition thousands of times, and I presume they take into account where we might finish and who we might play in the PO semis. Like every prediction this requires more than a pinch of salt. 

    3.12% for a top two finish...so it's not impossible :) 

    https://theanalyst.com/competition/english-league-one


    How can Wycombe have 61% chance of promotion compared to Wrexham's 31% when they're on the same points and Wycombe have a much tougher run in?

    Also Bolton's expected points is very marginally higher than ours, but our % chance of promotion and promotion via the play offs is higher? How?
  • I've been keeping half an eye on the "OptaAnalyst" prediction table, which gives us a healthy 77.4% change of being promoted via the playoffs. The model they use simulates the remaining fixtures in the competition thousands of times, and I presume they take into account where we might finish and who we might play in the PO semis. Like every prediction this requires more than a pinch of salt. 

    3.12% for a top two finish...so it's not impossible :) 

    https://theanalyst.com/competition/english-league-one


    How can Wycombe have 61% chance of promotion compared to Wrexham's 31% when they're on the same points and Wycombe have a much tougher run in?

    Also Bolton's expected points is very marginally higher than ours, but our % chance of promotion and promotion via the play offs is higher? How?
    Maybe it is assuming Bolton's run-in is easier than ours?
  • In less good news I also checked what it thought for Palace and Millwall.

    Apparently Palace are going to qualify for the Champions League in 2030/31 and win the FA Cup in 2032/33.

    Meanwhile Millwall are also going to get promoted to the Premier League in 2029/30, get relegated straight back down but unlike us bounce back at the first attempt in 2031/32.
  • Sollied said:
    The big difference is we had already played Sunderland by that point. We still have both Wrexham and Wycombe to play, so in many ways this is more in our hands than 18-19 would have been 
    I'm looking at Wrexham and Wycombe as though they are only 5 points clear of us and not 8 as we will have to beat them both to have a chance. That's why winning Vs. Stockport would have been huge. Suddenly we are only 3 points behind if you predict us to beat them both, nothing. 
  • Sollied said:
    The big difference is we had already played Sunderland by that point. We still have both Wrexham and Wycombe to play, so in many ways this is more in our hands than 18-19 would have been 
    I'm looking at Wrexham and Wycombe as though they are only 5 points clear of us and not 8 as we will have to beat them both to have a chance. That's why winning Vs. Stockport would have been huge. Suddenly we are only 3 points behind if you predict us to beat them both, nothing. 
    We were a better side in 18/19.
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