swordfish said:

In the great fight, what do we think of switching to eating lab grown meat?

I like the theory, but there's a bit yuk factor for me if I'm being honest. Which is weird because I eat a lot of processed food, that I don't have a Scooby about its origins. I expect I'll eat it. Maybe the way to get me started is to drop it in some meals/foodstuffs that I'm unaware of and reveal what it was afterwards. 

Stig said:

swordfish said:

In the great fight, what do we think of switching to eating lab grown meat?

I like the theory, but there's a bit yuk factor for me if I'm being honest. Which is weird because I eat a lot of processed food, that I don't have a Scooby about its origins. I expect I'll eat it. Maybe the way to get me started is to drop it in some meals/foodstuffs that I'm unaware of and reveal what it was afterwards. 

Believe me, the yuk factor is worse when it comes to intense farming, and especially slaughterhouses that practice Kosher & Halal slaughter.

I sympathise with the farmers, but it would be great to put that behind us. 

RIP to the missing crew member, likely dead. These people often put themselves in danger to bring us the goods we enjoy. 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/world-news/miles-of-brazilian-rainforest-cut-down-to-build-road-for-climate-summit-cop30/

It might be my imagination, but COP's seem to be becoming a bigger piss take every year, seized on as an opportunity by the hosts for economic growth whatever the detrimental costs in trying to limit global warming.

Edit - I wonder how much beef will be consumed as part of their hospitality. 

Stig said:

How big is COP that they need a four lane highway?  And if they genuinely need one, why isn't it in a place that already has one?

An example of the stupidity or wilful bloody mindedness of humanity. Probably hosting it where they can extol the virtues of the rainforest environment whilst destroying it.

A big two fingers up to all doing their bit planting trees around the globe. 

We already have location pricing - if you go to a country that burns lots of fossil fuels, the energy is dirt cheap.

cafcnick1992 said:

We already have location pricing - if you go to a country that burns lots of fossil fuels, the energy is dirt cheap.

"The price of everything but the value of nothing", springs to mind, so i looked it up. It may help the cynical among us to self-identify as such.

https://paulbernal.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/the-price-of-everything-and-the-value-of-nothing/
In Lady Windemere’s Fan, Oscar Wilde had Lord Darlington quip that a cynic was ‘a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.‘ As with so much of what Wilde wrote or said, it’s more than just a nice turn of phrase – it hits at the heart of the problems of society. Lady Windemere’s Fan was written in 1892, but what Wilde wrote is even more true now than it was 122 years ago. These days, our government, our businesses, our media and more seem to be dominated by what Wilde would have described as cynics. The idea that anyone in the ‘real world’ should even consider ethical, moral, philosophical or cultural values to be on a par with financial or economic ‘value’ appears whimsical, sentimental, even romantic. Hard-nosed, sensible, rational, practical people ‘know’ otherwise. It’s the economy, stupid.

cantersaddick said:

Seems like the pricing mechanism point I've been banging on about is finally getting some traction. That and localised grids like I've been saying.

Yet another bit of evidence putting the ridiculous "renewables cost more" lie to bed.

I believe this was the guy I heard on the radio the other day. If so, he was very good. 

Well done Sunderland AFC:

Sunderland AFC’s playing wear will proudly display a unique crest this weekend, as the Club utilises its platform to highlight the devastating effects of climate change. 

To mark the global spotlight on Green Football’s Great Save initiative, the first-of-its-kind activation will see Sunderland’s iconic coastal crest altered to demonstrate the potential impact of rising sea levels. 

Since 1880, global average sea levels have risen 21–24 centimetres and predictions estimate that parts of the English coastline could be submerged by 2050, including the iconic Roker Pier and Sunderland Marina. 

https://www.safc.com/news/2025/march/14/iconic-crest-returns-to-highlight-the-impact-of-climate-change/

Small electric cars were said to be the future – but SUVs now rule the road

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c778ekg64mjo

Kemi Badenoch has said it is "impossible" for the UK to meet its net zero target by 2050 - a goal set by a previous Conservative government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly3pnjyzp4o

shirty5 said:

Kemi Badenoch has said it is "impossible" for the UK to meet its net zero target by 2050 - a goal set by a previous Conservative government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly3pnjyzp4o

To be fair it is impossible for someone as incapable as her

letthegoodtimesroll said:

clive said:

Small electric cars were said to be the future – but SUVs now rule the road

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c778ekg64mjo

Pot holes and ‘speed bumps’ mean you need an off-road vehicle with bigger wheels and higher clearance to drive on Britain’s roads these days. Driving a smaller car with small wheels and low clearance makes no sense.

Heavier vehicles make the problem worse.

Playing politics to a certain section of the electorate at at time when we should all be pulling together for the future of the planet.

Using renewable/sustainable forms of energy is cheaper than using fossil fuels, the sooner we get these in place, the greater the likelihood that bills will reduce.

We have one planet and the children of today will be living in a very different world from now and not in a good way. The USA has seen a huge increase in extreme weather events in the last few years and these will only get worse and more frequent. 

ME14addick said:

Tony Juniper is Chair of Natural England and has written many books on Climate Change and the benefits of nature to the economy. 

Whilst there is so much emphasis on growing the economy, it would be good for everyone to read some of his books, particularly 'What has Nature ever done for us?:How money really does grow on trees' and 'What Nature has done for Britain'. 

Both books warn of the impacts of not looking after nature, in terms of money and how much better off the economy would be if we look after the natural world.

https://tonyjuniper.com/

A lot of what is being done in the name of renewable energy though is the opposite of what should be done for nature. EG building massive solar farms or wind farms on highly productive arable land. There are alternatives. (also I bet none of these net zero calculations then take into account that this food will then have to be imported and will travel long distances, sometimes by air). There just a stupid clamour and everyone who makes an alternative suggestion or puts forward a problem is considered a climate denyer and nutter.