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Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham
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How can you say quite simply he was right ?Bailey said:
Why? Go back and have a look at some of the posts on here. The majority of the posts are declaring that it was a mistake to let May go, it's gone very quiet now Godden has gone in front of May in the goal scoring charts. I've criticised Jones on numerous occasions but he's won the argument Gary, quite simply he was right and if he wants to crow about it then he has the right.Garrymanilow said:
I like Nathan Jones but he is a petty, petty manScoham said:
May might have been on 20 goals with us by now.4 -
I think it really doesn't matter what Alfie May is doing any more. Personally, I like him and sort of hope he does well - except that I really don't like the Millwall of the Midlands, so I hope he doesn't do that well. He drew a disproportionate amount of attention at the start of this season because: 1. He was our leading scorer for a couple of seasons; 2. Most Charlton supporters were disappointed, and perhaps even shocked, when he left; 3. Many Charlton supporters were concerned that he couldn't be adequately replaced; 4. At the start of the season were playing boring football with too few goals and putting too few points on the table. That is all history now. We know that Godden is more than adequate as a replacement, meanwhile the whole of the team has clicked and is now performing better than we could have reasonably hoped. The King is dead, long live The King.7
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A couple of seasons? I think you’ll find it was just the one.Stig said:I think it really doesn't matter what Alfie May is doing any more. Personally, I like him and sort of hope he does well - except that I really don't like the Millwall of the Midlands, so I hope he doesn't do that well. He drew a disproportionate amount of attention at the start of this season because: 1. He was our leading scorer for a couple of seasons; 2. Most Charlton supporters were disappointed, and perhaps even shocked, when he left; 3. Many Charlton supporters were concerned that he couldn't be adequately replaced; 4. At the start of the season we’re playing boring football with too few goals and putting too few points on the table. That is all history now. We know that Godden is more than adequate as a replacement, meanwhile the whole of the team has clicked and is now performing better than we could have reasonably hoped. The King is dead, long live The King.4 -
Definitely a couple if you build in the fact that when I say I support Charlton, most people think I say Cheltenham.SomervilleAddick said:
A couple of seasons? I think you’ll find it was just the one.Stig said:I think it really doesn't matter what Alfie May is doing any more. Personally, I like him and sort of hope he does well - except that I really don't like the Millwall of the Midlands, so I hope he doesn't do that well. He drew a disproportionate amount of attention at the start of this season because: 1. He was our leading scorer for a couple of seasons; 2. Most Charlton supporters were disappointed, and perhaps even shocked, when he left; 3. Many Charlton supporters were concerned that he couldn't be adequately replaced; 4. At the start of the season we’re playing boring football with too few goals and putting too few points on the table. That is all history now. We know that Godden is more than adequate as a replacement, meanwhile the whole of the team has clicked and is now performing better than we could have reasonably hoped. The King is dead, long live The King.7 -
Well he hasn't got that for Birmingham and that is the only measure you can use as it's a fact not a might.MrOneLung said:
How can you say quite simply he was right ?Bailey said:
Why? Go back and have a look at some of the posts on here. The majority of the posts are declaring that it was a mistake to let May go, it's gone very quiet now Godden has gone in front of May in the goal scoring charts. I've criticised Jones on numerous occasions but he's won the argument Gary, quite simply he was right and if he wants to crow about it then he has the right.Garrymanilow said:
I like Nathan Jones but he is a petty, petty manScoham said:
May might have been on 20 goals with us by now.0 -
A Jones team is greater than the sum of its parts. We had Alfie May he scored goals and not a massive amount more there was a real possibility of relegation. We now have Matty Godden, he scores goals and also does so much more that helps the team. It’s pretty clear the Godden is the better of the two.Chunes said:
To be fair, you could post similar on any player's thread and it might shut down debate. But it was NJ who made it about proving Godden's individual worth.AberystwythAddick said:
If we get promoted it don’t matter how many he scoresChunes said:If Godden scores more than 23 league goals then NJ might have a point. Thus far he's on 12.3 -
Who would swap Godden for May now if offered the chance? I wouldn't in all honesty. Maybe one or two would but I think most wouldn't.7
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All stuff I've been told from a source that would know, but then it's not exactly top secret stuff how Alfie operates. We saw plenty of what it looks like when Alfie isn't happy in his environment during games when he and Jones were bickering last season.SporadicAddick said:
An incredible amount of supposition presented as fact.. “he will be unhappy”, “he’ll be satisfied with the money”, “he likes to be the main man”, “he can get very sulky” etc etc.Garrymanilow said:He will be unhappy though. He'll be satisfied with the money but Alfie likes to be the main man, likes to feel important and likes to be getting the adulation from the stands. He can get very sulky when things don't go his way and his confidence can disappear pretty quickly. For all football fans are incapable of accepting people earning a lot of money can still be pissed off he'll be annoyed that two more strikers were brought in over him after he signed and that he didn't contribute as much as he would have wanted to the title win. Still, 10 games left so if he goes on another one of his scoring streaks he could still end up with 15 goals and it'll look a bit brighter
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I agree. I wish Alfie well but I would have Godden all day long he offers so much more to the teamMuttleyCAFC said:Who would swap Godden for May now if offered the chance? I wouldn't in all honesty. Maybe one or two would but I think most wouldn't.1 -
We got relegated with Darren Bent, but almost made Europe with Jason Euell, so clearly Euell was the better of the two.AberystwythAddick said:
A Jones team is greater than the sum of its parts. We had Alfie May he scored goals and not a massive amount more there was a real possibility of relegation. We now have Matty Godden, he scores goals and also does so much more that helps the team. It’s pretty clear the Godden is the better of the two.Chunes said:
To be fair, you could post similar on any player's thread and it might shut down debate. But it was NJ who made it about proving Godden's individual worth.AberystwythAddick said:
If we get promoted it don’t matter how many he scoresChunes said:If Godden scores more than 23 league goals then NJ might have a point. Thus far he's on 12.3 - Sponsored links:
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Here we go again May v Golden, let's get some facts straight here, Alfie didn't engineer a move, he was happy to stay and see out his contract, source his own brother! it was only after Jones told him he would only be a squad player that he sought a move, his goals kept us up last season 28 was it in a bloody poor side, Jones when he came in said he concentrated on shoring up the defense and making us hard to beat well who was getting us points by scoring at the other end, I like Golden I do but 12 league goals 3/4 of the way through the season is hardly setting the league alight, I am not criticising Godden as I genuinely think his all round game is better than Alfie's but let's show some appreciation here as we could easily be in league 2 without Alfie's goals last season14
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I think the point being made is that both are good goalscorers but Godden's overall game gives more to the team, especially in a Jones-style high pressing team. Like everything in football, that is a matter of opinion but it's certainly one I agree with it.Chunes said:
We got relegated with Darren Bent, but almost made Europe with Jason Euell, so clearly Euell was the better of the two.AberystwythAddick said:
A Jones team is greater than the sum of its parts. We had Alfie May he scored goals and not a massive amount more there was a real possibility of relegation. We now have Matty Godden, he scores goals and also does so much more that helps the team. It’s pretty clear the Godden is the better of the two.Chunes said:
To be fair, you could post similar on any player's thread and it might shut down debate. But it was NJ who made it about proving Godden's individual worth.AberystwythAddick said:
If we get promoted it don’t matter how many he scoresChunes said:If Godden scores more than 23 league goals then NJ might have a point. Thus far he's on 12.3 -
I definitely would have May over Godden if given the choice.MuttleyCAFC said:Who would swap Godden for May now if offered the chance? I wouldn't in all honesty. Maybe one or two would but I think most wouldn't.2 -
Or you could say the only measure is May scored 28 goals in his first season with us, and Godden scored X amount of goals.Bailey said:
Well he hasn't got that for Birmingham and that is the only measure you can use as it's a fact not a might.MrOneLung said:
How can you say quite simply he was right ?Bailey said:
Why? Go back and have a look at some of the posts on here. The majority of the posts are declaring that it was a mistake to let May go, it's gone very quiet now Godden has gone in front of May in the goal scoring charts. I've criticised Jones on numerous occasions but he's won the argument Gary, quite simply he was right and if he wants to crow about it then he has the right.Garrymanilow said:
I like Nathan Jones but he is a petty, petty manScoham said:
May might have been on 20 goals with us by now.How will that measure up?0 -
That part is fine, I just take issue with the idea that last season's team performance proves Godden is better. We had Appleton, Hector and Terrell Thomas last season. There were much bigger factors at play.crookester said:
I think the point being made is that both are good goalscorers but Godden's overall game gives more to the team, especially in a Jones-style high pressing team. Like everything in football, that is a matter of opinion but it's certainly one I agree with it.Chunes said:
We got relegated with Darren Bent, but almost made Europe with Jason Euell, so clearly Euell was the better of the two.AberystwythAddick said:
A Jones team is greater than the sum of its parts. We had Alfie May he scored goals and not a massive amount more there was a real possibility of relegation. We now have Matty Godden, he scores goals and also does so much more that helps the team. It’s pretty clear the Godden is the better of the two.Chunes said:
To be fair, you could post similar on any player's thread and it might shut down debate. But it was NJ who made it about proving Godden's individual worth.AberystwythAddick said:
If we get promoted it don’t matter how many he scoresChunes said:If Godden scores more than 23 league goals then NJ might have a point. Thus far he's on 12.
Godden is a good player who uses his body well and is clever with his movement. I support NJ building his own team and clearly Godden suited that better. But in terms of pure individual performance for Charlton, Godden hasn't been better then May.
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A lot of talk about feeling sorry for him that he's not scoring now etc.
He was here for 1 season, and whilst he scored a lot of goals in that season we finished closer to the bottom than the top.
Some people paint him up as this modern day Charlton legend, which is just bizarre
Godden is a better fit for our current team, and whilst we have a small chance of playing championship football next season, I reckon despite Birmingham going up, Alfie May will be in League 1 again regardless6 -
Godden has 12 goals but people are forgetting that he's only started 20 games. He's played 1782 minutes in total so he scores every 148 minutes.
May has 10 goals but started 23 games. 1906 minutes so a goal every 190 minutes.
Last season May got 23 from 40 starts. 3470 minutes so a goal every 150 minutes.
So there's very little between Godden this season and May last season.
Some people could argue if we still had May then he might have scored more, but personally i think that's unlikely as we were awful up until December and creating nothing. You could also argue if Godden had started more than 20 games then he'd probably have a few more goals.
Both are good strikers at this level and i really don't think there's too much in it.18 -
If we had still had May this season he would have started the same number of games as Godden under NJ - rotating with Leaburn and would have a very similar return to Godden I expect. Alfie wanted to play every week so he got his move. Everybody is happy in this scenario so I don't really see the issue now.3
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Ultimately it was the right decision because we have improved immeasurably from last season.
Does that make May a bad player, or Godden better than him. Of course not.
But football and winning leagues is much more than just down to one players individual talents.4 -
Holden wrongly set his side up in a way that May could get maximum goal exposure...even to the detriment of letting load of goals in at the other end.
Jones saw that and addressed it immediately, probably to the amazement of May..
Worked out well for everyone in the end.2 - Sponsored links:
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Something that hasn’t been mentioned is their discipline in the press, Godden and TC worked really well together to press the Wigan back line and keeper and that’s not something I ever saw with May. He pressed and ran around but it lacked the discipline that Godden has, it actually means Godden has to run less4
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The problem we had last season was that the team was basically built around May scoring.
If he didn’t score, we had nothing else because we couldn’t keep the ball out of the net at the other end.
It’s not a coincidence that that awful string of losses and draws we went on coincided with May only scoring once in about 17 games.
We had nothing else to offer if May was out of form. That’s why we were so perilously close to getting relegated at one point.9 -
Without him and his goals we would be playing League Two football right nowsam3110 said:A lot of talk about feeling sorry for him that he's not scoring now etc.
He was here for 1 season, and whilst he scored a lot of goals in that season we finished closer to the bottom than the top.
Some people paint him up as this modern day Charlton legend, which is just bizarre
Godden is a better fit for our current team, and whilst we have a small chance of playing championship football next season, I reckon despite Birmingham going up, Alfie May will be in League 1 again regardless4 -
We wouldn't have played with 10 men, someone else would have played instead and scored some goals, probably not as many, but it's not that black and whiteMrBurns said:
Without him and his goals we would be playing League Two football right nowsam3110 said:A lot of talk about feeling sorry for him that he's not scoring now etc.
He was here for 1 season, and whilst he scored a lot of goals in that season we finished closer to the bottom than the top.
Some people paint him up as this modern day Charlton legend, which is just bizarre
Godden is a better fit for our current team, and whilst we have a small chance of playing championship football next season, I reckon despite Birmingham going up, Alfie May will be in League 1 again regardless2 -
Both Alfie May and Matt Godden are great poachers in the box but Alfie was usurped at Birmingham when they signed Jay Stansfield from Fulham for 15 million at the end of August.
Alfie joined the Brum on 2nd July so he knew he was playing 2nd fiddle to the 21 year old when Jay turned up. Alfie's wages may have trebled* so Mr and Mrs May will be happy. He is still on the pitch nearly every game and he will get a chance of Championship football next season you would assume, as he will still have 2 years to run.
It certainly looked a strange decision by Nathan Jones last season but it feels both players are happy now and Godden has come home nearer to the garden of England and his birth City of Canterbury and at long last CAFC are contenders 👏🏻
*Estimate, but will be by far the best contract of May's career.
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He provides a greater utility to the team than just goal scoring, he is better than May who while scoring goals doesn't really add anything else. Goals cover up a lot of cracks in Mays game, whereas goddens work rate and nouse has shown how much better he isChunes said:
That part is fine, I just take issue with the idea that last season's team performance proves Godden is better. We had Appleton, Hector and Terrell Thomas last season. There were much bigger factors at play.crookester said:
I think the point being made is that both are good goalscorers but Godden's overall game gives more to the team, especially in a Jones-style high pressing team. Like everything in football, that is a matter of opinion but it's certainly one I agree with it.Chunes said:
We got relegated with Darren Bent, but almost made Europe with Jason Euell, so clearly Euell was the better of the two.AberystwythAddick said:
A Jones team is greater than the sum of its parts. We had Alfie May he scored goals and not a massive amount more there was a real possibility of relegation. We now have Matty Godden, he scores goals and also does so much more that helps the team. It’s pretty clear the Godden is the better of the two.Chunes said:
To be fair, you could post similar on any player's thread and it might shut down debate. But it was NJ who made it about proving Godden's individual worth.AberystwythAddick said:
If we get promoted it don’t matter how many he scoresChunes said:If Godden scores more than 23 league goals then NJ might have a point. Thus far he's on 12.
Godden is a good player who uses his body well and is clever with his movement. I support NJ building his own team and clearly Godden suited that better. But in terms of pure individual performance for Charlton, Godden hasn't been better then May.1 -
May worked very hard too, I think the bigger difference (aside from Jones wanting him here) is Godden can play with his back to goal, compete in the air and hold up the ball far better than May, who’s best alongside a striker who offers that.AberystwythAddick said:
He provides a greater utility to the team than just goal scoring, he is better than May who while scoring goals doesn't really add anything else. Goals cover up a lot of cracks in Mays game, whereas goddens work rate and nouse has shown how much better he isChunes said:
That part is fine, I just take issue with the idea that last season's team performance proves Godden is better. We had Appleton, Hector and Terrell Thomas last season. There were much bigger factors at play.crookester said:
I think the point being made is that both are good goalscorers but Godden's overall game gives more to the team, especially in a Jones-style high pressing team. Like everything in football, that is a matter of opinion but it's certainly one I agree with it.Chunes said:
We got relegated with Darren Bent, but almost made Europe with Jason Euell, so clearly Euell was the better of the two.AberystwythAddick said:
A Jones team is greater than the sum of its parts. We had Alfie May he scored goals and not a massive amount more there was a real possibility of relegation. We now have Matty Godden, he scores goals and also does so much more that helps the team. It’s pretty clear the Godden is the better of the two.Chunes said:
To be fair, you could post similar on any player's thread and it might shut down debate. But it was NJ who made it about proving Godden's individual worth.AberystwythAddick said:
If we get promoted it don’t matter how many he scoresChunes said:If Godden scores more than 23 league goals then NJ might have a point. Thus far he's on 12.
Godden is a good player who uses his body well and is clever with his movement. I support NJ building his own team and clearly Godden suited that better. But in terms of pure individual performance for Charlton, Godden hasn't been better then May.
I don’t think there’s a big gap between them, but Godden suits this system a lot better than May.7 -
I like the part where he says 'he could be self righteous.. but no'.... right after saying he'd love to go back and look at all the comments from earlier in the season lol.Garrymanilow said:
I like Nathan Jones but he is a petty, petty manScoham said:
Blokes off his head, but he's our nutter now and it's far easier to read with a smile while playing as well as we are. What a ride this season has been so far !.2 -
Well, agree to disagree. The fact May also played as a 10 and winger for us, and has also spent most of the season playing out of position for the top team in the league, while being 6th in the league for goal contributions, suggests he has a lot to his game.AberystwythAddick said:
He provides a greater utility to the team than just goal scoring, he is better than May who while scoring goals doesn't really add anything else. Goals cover up a lot of cracks in Mays game, whereas goddens work rate and nouse has shown how much better he isChunes said:
That part is fine, I just take issue with the idea that last season's team performance proves Godden is better. We had Appleton, Hector and Terrell Thomas last season. There were much bigger factors at play.crookester said:
I think the point being made is that both are good goalscorers but Godden's overall game gives more to the team, especially in a Jones-style high pressing team. Like everything in football, that is a matter of opinion but it's certainly one I agree with it.Chunes said:
We got relegated with Darren Bent, but almost made Europe with Jason Euell, so clearly Euell was the better of the two.AberystwythAddick said:
A Jones team is greater than the sum of its parts. We had Alfie May he scored goals and not a massive amount more there was a real possibility of relegation. We now have Matty Godden, he scores goals and also does so much more that helps the team. It’s pretty clear the Godden is the better of the two.Chunes said:
To be fair, you could post similar on any player's thread and it might shut down debate. But it was NJ who made it about proving Godden's individual worth.AberystwythAddick said:
If we get promoted it don’t matter how many he scoresChunes said:If Godden scores more than 23 league goals then NJ might have a point. Thus far he's on 12.
Godden is a good player who uses his body well and is clever with his movement. I support NJ building his own team and clearly Godden suited that better. But in terms of pure individual performance for Charlton, Godden hasn't been better then May.
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I really don’t think that’s true. May scores lots of goals and is constantly being a pain to other teams defenders. Let’s not fall into a trap of seeking to diminish Alfie May to enhance Godden.AberystwythAddick said:
He provides a greater utility to the team than just goal scoring, he is better than May who while scoring goals doesn't really add anything else. Goals cover up a lot of cracks in Mays game, whereas goddens work rate and nouse has shown how much better he isChunes said:
That part is fine, I just take issue with the idea that last season's team performance proves Godden is better. We had Appleton, Hector and Terrell Thomas last season. There were much bigger factors at play.crookester said:
I think the point being made is that both are good goalscorers but Godden's overall game gives more to the team, especially in a Jones-style high pressing team. Like everything in football, that is a matter of opinion but it's certainly one I agree with it.Chunes said:
We got relegated with Darren Bent, but almost made Europe with Jason Euell, so clearly Euell was the better of the two.AberystwythAddick said:
A Jones team is greater than the sum of its parts. We had Alfie May he scored goals and not a massive amount more there was a real possibility of relegation. We now have Matty Godden, he scores goals and also does so much more that helps the team. It’s pretty clear the Godden is the better of the two.Chunes said:
To be fair, you could post similar on any player's thread and it might shut down debate. But it was NJ who made it about proving Godden's individual worth.AberystwythAddick said:
If we get promoted it don’t matter how many he scoresChunes said:If Godden scores more than 23 league goals then NJ might have a point. Thus far he's on 12.
Godden is a good player who uses his body well and is clever with his movement. I support NJ building his own team and clearly Godden suited that better. But in terms of pure individual performance for Charlton, Godden hasn't been better then May.14
