This is something I've wondered about. Surely it's a single offence. If you commit a crime and there are two seperate witnesses, that doesn't mean you commited two crimes. Ask them for an accurate time stamp of each "offence", (minutes and seconds) and an exact GPS location of both camera's, then work out the time it would take to get from point A to point B and it will show that you didn't have time to slow down, hence it being a single continuous offence. Surely it would then be down to them to prove you guilty?
I once got a speeding fine for doing 85mph in a 65mph in Minnesota. Fine was $480 USD.
Speed limit was 85mph in South Dakota, drove over the state border into Minnesota where the limit was 65mph. Same road, same conditions. Who was waiting there behind a bush with a big cowboy hat on? The local sheriff.
Amazing how they telegraph where they are hiding by only hiding behind the bushes which are wearing cowboy hats. You'd think that would be enough warning to miss out on a few border tourist dollars.
This is something I've wondered about. Surely it's a single offence. If you commit a crime and there are two seperate witnesses, that doesn't mean you commited two crimes. Ask them for an accurate time stamp of each "offence", (minutes and seconds) and an exact GPS location of both camera's, then work out the time it would take to get from point A to point B and it will show that you didn't have time to slow down, hence it being a single continuous offence. Surely it would then be down to them to prove you guilty?
Well yes, although 3 minutes is clearly plenty of time to slow down in theory... you could slow down in 3 seconds. But, the crux of my mindset is what you said... we'll see what they come back with
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it would be safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it did not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; its easier to be distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
You know that letter I suggested you write? I would also suggest you leave off some of this post. The bits where you think it's safe to drive at 80-85mph, the fact your speed creeps up without you realising and that you sometimes feel yourself switching off or being distracted.
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
You know that letter I suggested you write? I would also suggest you leave off some of this post. The bits where you think it's safe to drive at 80-85mph, the fact your speed creeps up without you realising and that you sometimes feel yourself switching off or being distracted.
;-)
More great advice from you to be fair - I am much obliged!!!
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
Not trying to be too tin foil hat. But also be careful what you write on public forums, especially around any situations of a legal nature and admitting liability.
" (4) Where a person is convicted (whether on the same occasion or not) of two or more offences committed on the same occasion and involving obligatory endorsement, the total number of penalty points to be attributed to them is the number or highest number that would be attributed on a conviction of one of them (so that if the convictions are on different occasions the number of penalty points to be attributed to the offences on the later occasion or occasions shall be restricted accordingly)."
May be totally irrelevant if it doesn't count as the same 'occasion'
You're going to have to challenge it now just so the rest of us can find out one way or another.
thank you for this
This applies if you were convicted of two or more separate offences, eg no insurance and speeding. It doesn't get around the point whether these are two separate incidents of speeding.
Drove through the 50mph ‘system test’ for about 15 miles on the M25 yesterday. Sen the below from Highways Agency with no indication how long it will last
One person is killed by a speeding motorist every 9 hours and 44 minutes. This is the main reason I don't sympathise with people who whinge about being caught speeding.
Your figure is broadly accurate I think - around 1800 deaths per annum on roads in the UK. And taking into account the volume of traffic on the roads that is a remarkably low figure. (Yes, I know just one is one too many but I'm trying to be realistic.) It's not speed itself that is the problem but excessive speed for the conditions. It is quite likely that the posted speed limit is too high to be travelling at in very poor weather conditions.
But statistics are useful aren't they? So here's a few more. Motorways have around 20% of total traffic volumes but only 5% of road fatalities. But that's where most speeding is done. Now, while speeding is often a contributory factor to road casualties particularly KSIs, is is not the biggest factor. Not paying attention is probably a bigger factor. And of course, that applies equally to pedestrians as well as motorists. Meanwhile, over 6000 people die at home from just falls alone. Perhaps the "safety cameras" would be better placed in housing where at least one child per month dies from drowning, usually in the bath?
I have to say, my personal opinion (perhaps unsurprisingly given the situation I now find myself in) is that the limits should be variable with higher limits when conditions are dry and clear and on certain roads.
Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it's completely safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it does not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; I sometimes find myself switching off or being distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
Didn't Top Gear do an episode to test how fast you had to go to evade the fine? Think it was 170+. The camera doesn't pick you up given it has to take 2 pictures and the second flash at that speed means you are long gone. Not a helpful suggestion I accept but this thread did trigger the little snippet.
Didn't Top Gear do an episode to test how fast you had to go to evade the fine? Think it was 170+. The camera doesn't pick you up given it has to take 2 pictures and the second flash at that speed means you are long gone. Not a helpful suggestion I accept but this thread did trigger the little snippet.
I'd give that a whirl but I'm not sure my Hyundai is quite up to the job.
My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
As someone who has spent his working life in the transport sector, I know the dangers that speeding can cause.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
I remember when I did my driving test (admittedly 22 years ago), my instructor always said "no 25s no 35s" - as in, in a 30 zone, if you dropped unnecessarily to 25 or went up to 35, you'd get a "minor" mark against you in your test. That was a minor, not even a "major" - i.e. not an automatic fail.
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...
My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
As someone who has spent his working life in the transport sector, I know the dangers that speeding can cause.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
I remember when I did my driving test (admittedly 22 years ago), my instructor always said "no 25s no 35s" - as in, in a 30 zone, if you dropped unnecessarily to 25 or went up to 35, you'd get a "minor" mark against you in your test. That was a minor, not even a "major" - i.e. not an automatic fail.
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...
In general 10% over the speed limit is said to be the allowable margin.
One exception is Tower Bridge where the 20mph limit is rigidly enforced.
That's why devices that bleep when you exceed the limit are useful.
My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
As someone who has spent his working life in the transport sector, I know the dangers that speeding can cause.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
I remember when I did my driving test (admittedly 22 years ago), my instructor always said "no 25s no 35s" - as in, in a 30 zone, if you dropped unnecessarily to 25 or went up to 35, you'd get a "minor" mark against you in your test. That was a minor, not even a "major" - i.e. not an automatic fail.
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...
In general 10% over the speed limit is said to be the allowable margin.
One exception is Tower Bridge where the 20mph limit is rigidly enforced.
That's why devices that bleep when you exceed the limit are useful.
The Crown Prosecution Service used to quote guidance from the old Association of Chief Police Officers which basically said you woudn't normally get done for driving at 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2 mph (although obviously these were only guidelines and a police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately).
Quite strong rumours flying around that the Met are no longer working to those guidelines and that they are issuing tickets at lower speeds. That seems to be borne out by the above.
My wife had to go on a speedawareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
Presumably to remind drivers what speed feels like again after being stuck at 22 mph 🙂
I sympathise though. It’s harder and harder to drive without fear of penalty even when you think you are behaving considerately.
need to bring back the man walking in front with a red flag:- 1/ stop all accidents (apart from running the man over) 2/ Cure youth unemployment 3/ improve fitness of couch potato youths 4/ improve enviroment
My wife had to go on a speedawareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
Presumably to remind drivers what speed feels like again after being stuck at 22 mph 🙂
I sympathise though. It’s harder and harder to drive without fear of penalty even when you think you are behaving considerately.
need to bring back the man walking in front with a red flag:- 1/ stop all accidents (apart from running the man over) 2/ Cure youth unemployment 3/ improve fitness of couch potato youths 4/ improve enviroment
My wife had to go on a speed awareness course after clocking 22mph on Eynsford Drive Abbey Wood.
I got some advice whether to contest it but I was told that if she failed to overturn it in court she would not then be able to go on a speed awareness course and would automatically be given penalty points.
it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week...
I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart.
I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.
I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise.
I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...
Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?
Managed get two tickets for myself on the way home 🙁
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Travelling at 70mph on quiet motorways feels incredibly slow, in my opinion, and I think it would be safe to drive at say 80-85 mph in those sort of circumstances (obviously not when wet or more traffic on the roads). The A14 is three lanes and was empty when I was driving up to Mansfield; I wasn't consciously ripping it for the sake of it, - it was really a scenario where your speed creeps up without you even really realising, because it did not feel in any way fast in those circumstances.
I also actually feel that driving what feels like "unnaturally" slow speeds can almost perversely have a detrimental impact in terms of the point you mention about not paying attention; its easier to be distracted when crawling along an empty motorway, and similarly with some of the 40s on large dual carriageways like the north circular.
Germany with limitless autobahns, and Austria (80mph limit on motorways) have some of the better fatality ratios in Europe, which does suggest some greater flexibility around speed in the right circumstances isn't necessarily at the expense of danger. Clearly speed control is much more important in residential areas.
https://www.acea.auto/figure/road-fatalities-per-million-inhabitants-in-eu-by-country/
;-)
Over the years I have seen 2 examples of cars turning over on clear motorways at night/early morning.
I sympathise though. It’s harder and harder to drive without fear of penalty even when you think you are behaving considerately.
But this is just absolutely absurd.
Was she done by a mobile van or a fixed camera?
to be done for 22, or 33mph in a 30, seems incredibly harsh. Again, from an attention to the road scenario, if you don't have a speed limiter on your car, you almost have to pay more attention to looking at the speedo to ensure you don't unknowingly tip over the limit Vs focussing on the road in front of you...
One exception is Tower Bridge where the 20mph limit is rigidly enforced.
That's why devices that bleep when you exceed the limit are useful.
Quite strong rumours flying around that the Met are no longer working to those guidelines and that they are issuing tickets at lower speeds. That seems to be borne out by the above.
1/ stop all accidents (apart from running the man over)
2/ Cure youth unemployment
3/ improve fitness of couch potato youths
4/ improve enviroment
Sorted!