But I reckon without the penalty; Piastri would have attacked before the pit stops.
He was forever hanging around just on the edge of 1sec... Seemed to me as though Oscar was being smart, staying far enough back to ensure his tyres didn't get chewed up by following in dirty air, and was happy to complete the overtake in the pits, he was then able to take the lead and manage the conditions in clean air.
The alternative was to take the fight on track, and end up worse off... possibly even a DNF, given the reputation that Max has created for himself, what with his defending in Mexico etc.
Due to the timing of races in my time zone and other commitments on a Sunday, I usually watch races on demand later in the day and avoid this thread for spoilers. I logged in earlier and saw 42 unread posts and thought "either something exciting happened or Verstappen's been a prick and got away with it again". Turns out it was the latter.
Answered one question then DC mentioned the incident and he said "See you in Miami" and walked off! Behaving like a petulant child in the cool down room!
Yeah just seen he's not got involved in the spraying of Rose Water
He really doesnt like it when he doesnt win, but is probably the worst loser out there
I'm no fan of his, and we all know he thinks he should race by his own set of rules, but you could argue that why would he like it when he doesn't win?
It's like the famous Vince Lombardi quote - "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."
Whilst I thought it was incredibly cynical from both RB and MV, I do have a grudging respect for their approach in what is a very cut-throat business.
My thoughts are that MV knew that if OP led out of the first corner he would disappear up the road and manage a healthy gap to him.
the gamble was, knowing he’d likely take a 5 second penalty, that if he could stay in front he may be able to force OP to overwork his tyres. That or a wild card like a safety car could give him a chance of pitting and keeping the lead - even with a penalty.
Basically Red Bull really grasp the rule book and know how to “game the system” to their benefit. As I say, you’ve got to grudging admire that in a sport of such tiny margins…
Whilst I thought it was incredibly cynical from both RB and MV, I do have a grudging respect for their approach in what is a very cut-throat business.
My thoughts are that MV knew that if OP led out of the first corner he would disappear up the road and manage a healthy gap to him.
the gamble was, knowing he’d likely take a 5 second penalty, that if he could stay in front he may be able to force OP to overwork his tyres. That or a wild card like a safety car could give him a chance of pitting and keeping the lead - even with a penalty.
Basically Red Bull really grasp the rule book and know how to “game the system” to their benefit. As I say, you’ve got to grudging admire that in a sport of such tiny margins…
This is exactly what it was and the layout of the corner almost encourages it and that is where the problem lies.
Whatever you think of the incident we can all agree that Horner walking around the paddock with a printed photo to “prove” Piastri wasn’t ahead is embarrassing
Whatever you think of the incident we can all agree that Horner walking around the paddock with a printed photo to “prove” Piastri wasn’t ahead is embarrassing
Basically, Piastri would have probably won if he led at the corner in question. I think it was his corner so a 5 second penalty was fair. I think this difficulty in overtaking is becoming a serious issue for the sport.
Jeddah is a weird track where bar the first year where no one knew it , it doesn't really produce thrillers. I'm not convinced Quiddya when it's eventually ready (if ever) will be any better though.
The Miami car park I would expect to be advantage McLaren too. Maybe George as their nearest contender?
Whatever you think of the incident we can all agree that Horner walking around the paddock with a printed photo to “prove” Piastri wasn’t ahead is embarrassing
Interesting that the stewards note says they reduced it from a 10 second penalty because it was the first lap. Not too sure how I feel about that, I get the logic but it incentivises risk in the first corner. Have to see if it’s done through the season too
Interesting that the stewards note says they reduced it from a 10 second penalty because it was the first lap. Not too sure how I feel about that, I get the logic but it incentivises risk in the first corner. Have to see if it’s done through the season too
A foul move is a foul move whatever time of the race it is. It's like saying in football, "I'll only give you a yellow card and not a red, even though you deserved it, because it's only the 2nd minute".
Interesting that the stewards note says they reduced it from a 10 second penalty because it was the first lap. Not too sure how I feel about that, I get the logic but it incentivises risk in the first corner. Have to see if it’s done through the season too
A foul move is a foul move whatever time of the race it is. It's like saying in football, "I'll only give you a yellow card and not a red, even though you deserved it, because it's only the 2nd minute".
I agree but we see yellows not given early in the game all the time for that reason
Interesting that the stewards note says they reduced it from a 10 second penalty because it was the first lap. Not too sure how I feel about that, I get the logic but it incentivises risk in the first corner. Have to see if it’s done through the season too
A foul move is a foul move whatever time of the race it is. It's like saying in football, "I'll only give you a yellow card and not a red, even though you deserved it, because it's only the 2nd minute".
That does happen to a certain degree with yellow cards though.
Fairly often you see a ref let an early challenge go that would be bookable later on.
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Horner says they lost by 2.4secs...
But I reckon without the penalty; Piastri would have attacked before the pit stops.
He was forever hanging around just on the edge of 1sec... Seemed to me as though Oscar was being smart, staying far enough back to ensure his tyres didn't get chewed up by following in dirty air, and was happy to complete the overtake in the pits, he was then able to take the lead and manage the conditions in clean air.
The alternative was to take the fight on track, and end up worse off... possibly even a DNF, given the reputation that Max has created for himself, what with his defending in Mexico etc.
It's like the famous Vince Lombardi quote - "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."
My thoughts are that MV knew that if OP led out of the first corner he would disappear up the road and manage a healthy gap to him.
the gamble was, knowing he’d likely take a 5 second penalty, that if he could stay in front he may be able to force OP to overwork his tyres. That or a wild card like a safety car could give him a chance of pitting and keeping the lead - even with a penalty.
Basically Red Bull really grasp the rule book and know how to “game the system” to their benefit. As I say, you’ve got to grudging admire that in a sport of such tiny margins…
https://x.com/chrismedlandf1/status/1914049056361361809?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
The Miami car park I would expect to be advantage McLaren too. Maybe George as their nearest contender?
It's like saying in football, "I'll only give you a yellow card and not a red, even though you deserved it, because it's only the 2nd minute".
Fairly often you see a ref let an early challenge go that would be bookable later on.