Palace and Europe ?

Dave2l · June 4

Stig said:

Any chance they could be stripped of the cup win too? Nobody likes a cheat.

It needs to be fully investigated 🔎

When they return the fa cup ..... will be the moment to confirm and reveal an official - Case closed.

They just can't be trusted

ForeverAddickted · June 4

By the sound of things its Palace's own fault, as there is something the owners can do with their shares to avoid the rules.

Its what has allowed other clubs to compete in Europe with multi-clubs

Ironically there is a deadline when you've got to move the shares, its a sweeping under the rug type exercise so pointless

Only Palace's owner didn't do it by the deadline which is the issue, because he didn't think they'd get into Europe

sam3110 · June 4

Well if they've missed the deadline they've missed the deadline.

If you're told to submit taxes by 30th March and you wait until 16th April, will they just let it slide?

JustFloydRoad · June 4

ForeverAddickted said:

By the sound of things its Palace's own fault, as there is something the owners can do with their shares to avoid the rules.

Its what has allowed other clubs to compete in Europe with multi-clubs

Ironically there is a deadline when you've got to move the shares, its a sweeping under the rug type exercise so pointless

Only Palace's owner didn't do it by the deadline which is the issue, because he didn't think they'd get into Europe

I love hearing Simon Jordan (on talksport) today. What about Lyon (like they are going to be affected by this 🤣)?

soapy_jones · June 4

They should be banned for being wankers...

BigRedEvil · June 4

Whatever happens it definitely puts an asterisk against their FA Cup win

ForeverAddickted · June 4

JustFloydRoad said:

ForeverAddickted said:

By the sound of things its Palace's own fault, as there is something the owners can do with their shares to avoid the rules.

Its what has allowed other clubs to compete in Europe with multi-clubs

Ironically there is a deadline when you've got to move the shares, its a sweeping under the rug type exercise so pointless

Only Palace's owner didn't do it by the deadline which is the issue, because he didn't think they'd get into Europe

I love hearing Simon Jordan (on talksport) today. What about Lyon (like they are going to be affected by this 🤣)?

I wonder if an owner of multi-clubs has to do the same with the shares at both sides.

So rather than it just being Girona, its Man City as well that the owners need to put their shares into holding... Or whatever it is

Lyon had more of a chance of ending up in Europe, so wonder if Teskor complied before the deadline with them.

Edit: Seems I'm talking bullshit... the rules seemingly state: "No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition", so in Teskor's case... That one eligible club is Lyon

Solidgone · June 4

soapy_jones said:

They should be banned for being wankers...

Good job you are only referring to Palarsel…if it was on posters on this site there’d be hardly anyone here to post 🤓

JustFloydRoad · June 4

ForeverAddickted said:

JustFloydRoad said:

ForeverAddickted said:

By the sound of things its Palace's own fault, as there is something the owners can do with their shares to avoid the rules.

Its what has allowed other clubs to compete in Europe with multi-clubs

Ironically there is a deadline when you've got to move the shares, its a sweeping under the rug type exercise so pointless

Only Palace's owner didn't do it by the deadline which is the issue, because he didn't think they'd get into Europe

I love hearing Simon Jordan (on talksport) today. What about Lyon (like they are going to be affected by this 🤣)?

I wonder if an owner of multi-clubs has to do the same with the shares at both sides.

So rather than it just being Girona, its Man City as well that the owners need to put their shares into holding... Or whatever it is

Lyon had more of a chance of ending up in Europe, so wonder if Teskor complied before the deadline with them.

Edit: Seems I'm talking bullshit... the rules seemingly state: "No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition", so in Teskor's case... That one eligible club is Lyon

Article 5.02

If two or more clubs fail to meet the criteria aimed at ensuring the integrity of the competition, only one of them may be admitted to a UEFA club competition, in accordance with the following criteria (applicable in descending order) with the exception of the scenarios set out in Paragraph 5.04 and Paragraph 5.05:

the club which qualifies on sporting merit for the most prestigious UEFA club competition (i.e., in descending order: UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League);
the club which was ranked highest in the domestic championship giving access to the relevant UEFA club competition;
the club whose association is ranked highest in the access list (see Annex A).

Lyon wouldn't have the issue since they beat C.Palace on point 2 (though I guess the English FA is ranked higher than the French FA) 🤔

letthegoodtimesroll · June 5

Obviously we are all extremely biased in this particular instance but there is an important issue going on here and a PL club being told to do one should help put paid to people owning, or having significant stakes in, more than one club

blackpool72 · June 5

I can see it now

Palace get to play in Turkey and Italy and the Palace Ultras spread fear across the continent.

Rizzo · June 5

blackpool72 said:

I can see it now

Palace get to play in Turkey and Italy and the Palace Ultras spread fear across the continent.

They'll spread something across the continent but it won't be fear.

Blucher · June 5

This is simply hilarious.

As Basil Fawlty would have said - there is a God.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jun/05/crystal-palace-europe-place-uefa-rejects-owners-blind-trust-move?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Croydon · June 5

Blucher said:

This is simply hilarious.

As Basil Fawlty would have said - there is a God.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jun/05/crystal-palace-europe-place-uefa-rejects-owners-blind-trust-move?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This would make up for the FA Cup win in my eyes

J BLOCK · June 5

Blucher said:

This is simply hilarious.

As Basil Fawlty would have said - there is a God.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jun/05/crystal-palace-europe-place-uefa-rejects-owners-blind-trust-move?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Let's wait until the actual decision before laughing. I'm sure they'll find a way around it and get in.

Blucher · June 5

J BLOCK said:

Blucher said:

This is simply hilarious.

As Basil Fawlty would have said - there is a God.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jun/05/crystal-palace-europe-place-uefa-rejects-owners-blind-trust-move?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Let's wait until the actual decision before laughing. I'm sure they'll find a way around it and get in.

Whatever happens, their present suffering is cause enough for mirth.

sam3110 · June 6

Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules

JamAddick · June 6

They’ll find a way. Jammiest club in the world.

Athletico Charlton · June 6

sam3110 said:

Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules

So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.

Woodwork · June 6

Athletico Charlton said:

sam3110 said:

Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules

So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.

That’s still a vested interest.

Pelling1993 · June 6

Apparently they had to put the year they were founded on the application form. They put 1861 which was found to be clear bullshit and now they’re banned

JustFloydRoad · June 6

Blucher said:

This is simply hilarious.

As Basil Fawlty would have said - there is a God.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jun/05/crystal-palace-europe-place-uefa-rejects-owners-blind-trust-move?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Watch Simon Jordan swoop in, at the last minute, to provide the money 💰

sam3110 · June 6

I imagine what they'll do is have Parish or someone buy out Textor. But I really hope they've fucked it, paid all their squad European football bonuses and wage rises etc already, and then have none of the money and glamour for it, go bust, get kicked out of the league entirely, and they bulldoze Smellhurst immediately and turn it into Surrey's largest Sainsbury's.

Athletico Charlton · June 6

Woodwork said:

Athletico Charlton said:

sam3110 said:

Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules

So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.

That’s still a vested interest.

Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust. Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.

Woodwork · June 6

Athletico Charlton said:

Woodwork said:

Athletico Charlton said:

sam3110 said:

Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules

So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.

That’s still a vested interest.

Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust. Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.

That last bit.

sammy391 · June 6

Athletico Charlton said:

Woodwork said:

Athletico Charlton said:

sam3110 said:

Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules

So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.

That’s still a vested interest.

Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust. Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.

The ‘bare trust’ thing is the issue. They missed the deadline to do that by 2 months or so

would imagine potentially owners will be swooping, but you’d imagine they would want to pay cut price as he’s desperate

Super_Eddie_Youds · June 6

Sure they’ll get round it, probably involve screwing over local businesses like all the other reprieves they’ve had.

Ducktapeshoerepairs · June 6

They have to make an example of them. There is a loophole (bare trust?), but they missed the deadline. There’s no point in having these rules if they can now find a way around them. We don’t want the Surrey Ultras bunking school and embarrassing our country in Europe anyway !

SomervilleAddick · June 7

sammy391 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

Woodwork said:

Athletico Charlton said:

sam3110 said:

Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules

So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.

That’s still a vested interest.

Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust. Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.

The ‘bare trust’ thing is the issue. They missed the deadline to do that by 2 months or so

would imagine potentially owners will be swooping, but you’d imagine they would want to pay cut price as he’s desperate

I’m not sure he’s desperate - he owns 45%, valued at about £360m. It’ll still be worth that even if they’re don’t get into Europe, more if they do, although how much is questionable if it’s a one off, which it most likely is. So why sell at a discount? If the other owners are desperate for Europe, he’d demand a premium.

sammy391 · June 7

SomervilleAddick said:

sammy391 said:

Athletico Charlton said:

Woodwork said:

Athletico Charlton said:

sam3110 said:

Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules

So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.

That’s still a vested interest.

Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust. Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.

The ‘bare trust’ thing is the issue. They missed the deadline to do that by 2 months or so

would imagine potentially owners will be swooping, but you’d imagine they would want to pay cut price as he’s desperate

I’m not sure he’s desperate - he owns 45%, valued at about £360m. It’ll still be worth that even if they’re don’t get into Europe, more if they do, although how much is questionable if it’s a one off, which it most likely is. So why sell at a discount? If the other owners are desperate for Europe, he’d demand a premium.

Sorry, i meant that prospective owners would see it as a 'desperate situation' in the sense of sorting the issue in order to get European football - Presumably all he would have to do is sell c15-20%

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