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  • Stig said:
    Any chance they could be stripped of the cup win too? Nobody likes a cheat.

    It needs to be fully investigated 🔎 

    When they return the fa cup ..... will be the moment to confirm and reveal an official - Case closed.

    They just can't be trusted
  • By the sound of things its Palace's own fault, as there is something the owners can do with their shares to avoid the rules.

    Its what has allowed other clubs to compete in Europe with multi-clubs

    Ironically there is a deadline when you've got to move the shares, its a sweeping under the rug type exercise so pointless

    Only Palace's owner didn't do it by the deadline which is the issue, because he didn't think they'd get into Europe
    I love hearing Simon Jordan (on talksport) today. What about Lyon (like they are going to be affected by this 🤣)?
  • Whatever happens it definitely puts an asterisk against their FA Cup win 
  • edited June 4
    By the sound of things its Palace's own fault, as there is something the owners can do with their shares to avoid the rules.

    Its what has allowed other clubs to compete in Europe with multi-clubs

    Ironically there is a deadline when you've got to move the shares, its a sweeping under the rug type exercise so pointless

    Only Palace's owner didn't do it by the deadline which is the issue, because he didn't think they'd get into Europe
    I love hearing Simon Jordan (on talksport) today. What about Lyon (like they are going to be affected by this 🤣)?
    I wonder if an owner of multi-clubs has to do the same with the shares at both sides.

    So rather than it just being Girona, its Man City as well that the owners need to put their shares into holding... Or whatever it is

    Lyon had more of a chance of ending up in Europe, so wonder if Teskor complied before the deadline with them.

    Edit: Seems I'm talking bullshit... the rules seemingly state: "No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition", so in Teskor's case... That one eligible club is Lyon
  • edited June 4
    They should be banned for being wankers...
    Good job you are only referring to Palarsel…if it was on posters on this site there’d be hardly anyone here to post 🤓
  • edited June 4
    By the sound of things its Palace's own fault, as there is something the owners can do with their shares to avoid the rules.

    Its what has allowed other clubs to compete in Europe with multi-clubs

    Ironically there is a deadline when you've got to move the shares, its a sweeping under the rug type exercise so pointless

    Only Palace's owner didn't do it by the deadline which is the issue, because he didn't think they'd get into Europe
    I love hearing Simon Jordan (on talksport) today. What about Lyon (like they are going to be affected by this 🤣)?
    I wonder if an owner of multi-clubs has to do the same with the shares at both sides.

    So rather than it just being Girona, its Man City as well that the owners need to put their shares into holding... Or whatever it is

    Lyon had more of a chance of ending up in Europe, so wonder if Teskor complied before the deadline with them.

    Edit: Seems I'm talking bullshit... the rules seemingly state: "No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition", so in Teskor's case... That one eligible club is Lyon

    Article 5.02 

    If two or more clubs fail to meet the criteria aimed at ensuring the integrity of the competition, only one of them may be admitted to a UEFA club competition, in accordance with the following criteria (applicable in descending order) with the exception of the scenarios set out in Paragraph 5.04 and Paragraph 5.05:

    1. the club which qualifies on sporting merit for the most prestigious UEFA club competition (i.e., in descending order: UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League);

    2. the club which was ranked highest in the domestic championship giving access to the relevant UEFA club competition;

    3. the club whose association is ranked highest in the access list (see Annex A).


    Lyon wouldn't have the issue since they beat C.Palace on point 2 (though I guess the English FA is ranked higher than the French FA) 🤔
  • Obviously we are all extremely biased in this particular instance but there is an important issue going on here and a PL club being told to do one should help put paid to people owning, or having significant stakes in, more than one club
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  • edited June 6
    Blucher said:
    This would make up for the FA Cup win in my eyes 
  • Blucher said:
    Let's wait until the actual decision before laughing. I'm sure they'll find a way around it and get in. 
  • J BLOCK said:
    Blucher said:
    Let's wait until the actual decision before laughing. I'm sure they'll find a way around it and get in. 
    Whatever happens, their present suffering is cause enough for mirth.
  • Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules
  • sam3110 said:
    Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules
    So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.
  • sam3110 said:
    Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules
    So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.
    That’s still a vested interest. 
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  • Blucher said:
    Watch Simon Jordan swoop in, at the last minute, to provide the money 💰
  • Woodwork said:
    sam3110 said:
    Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules
    So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.
    That’s still a vested interest. 

    Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust.  Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.
  • Woodwork said:
    sam3110 said:
    Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules
    So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.
    That’s still a vested interest. 

    Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust.  Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.
    That last bit. 
  • Woodwork said:
    sam3110 said:
    Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules
    So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.
    That’s still a vested interest. 

    Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust.  Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.
    The ‘bare trust’ thing is the issue. They missed the deadline to do that by 2 months or so

    would imagine potentially owners will be swooping, but you’d imagine they would want to pay cut price as he’s desperate 
  • Sure they’ll get round it, probably involve screwing over local businesses like all the other reprieves they’ve had.
  • They have to make an example of them. There is a loophole (bare trust?), but they missed the deadline. There’s no point in having these rules if they can now find a way around them. We don’t want the Surrey Ultras bunking school and embarrassing our country in Europe anyway ! 
  • sammy391 said:
    Woodwork said:
    sam3110 said:
    Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules
    So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.
    That’s still a vested interest. 

    Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust.  Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.
    The ‘bare trust’ thing is the issue. They missed the deadline to do that by 2 months or so

    would imagine potentially owners will be swooping, but you’d imagine they would want to pay cut price as he’s desperate 
    I’m not sure he’s desperate - he owns 45%, valued at about £360m. It’ll still be worth that even if they’re don’t get into Europe, more if they do, although how much is questionable if it’s a one off, which it most likely is. So why sell at a discount? If the other owners are desperate for Europe, he’d demand a premium. 
  • sammy391 said:
    Woodwork said:
    sam3110 said:
    Apparently they have 11 days to find, and complete on, a buyer for his shares to comply to the rules
    So he will just sell to one of his kids or wife or something I imagine.
    That’s still a vested interest. 

    Sure but other owners get around the rules by moving the clubs into a bare trust.  Surely they or family remain beneficiaries of the trust so still a vested interest. What's the difference except one is obfuscated a bit more.
    The ‘bare trust’ thing is the issue. They missed the deadline to do that by 2 months or so

    would imagine potentially owners will be swooping, but you’d imagine they would want to pay cut price as he’s desperate 
    I’m not sure he’s desperate - he owns 45%, valued at about £360m. It’ll still be worth that even if they’re don’t get into Europe, more if they do, although how much is questionable if it’s a one off, which it most likely is. So why sell at a discount? If the other owners are desperate for Europe, he’d demand a premium. 
    Sorry, i meant that prospective owners would see it as a 'desperate situation'  in the sense of sorting the issue in order to get European football - Presumably all he would have to do is sell c15-20%
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