Is there anything else in life other than Charlton hospitality prices that get quoted with a + VAT price? I don’t buy clothes, food, meals, cars or holidays with a +VAT price
There's a specific piece of legislation about this but it only applies to goods NOT services. The club seem to think they can get away with quoting prices plus VAT because most(?) of their punters are indeed traders not individuals. However, the marketing material is clearly also aimed at regular consumers fans. Indeed, apart from me there are plenty of other private individuals who are dumb enough to cough up. It could be argued that Part 4, Chapter 1 of the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024 would apply to both goods and services and the club are in breach of that legislation and should be doing the honest thing. I have complained several times to a certain newly honoured member of the club's staff about this but it just gets shrugged off and ignored. Frankly, it is underhand and they should stop doing it.
I think I think we will get plenty of + 20,000 gates
I agree, I think we’ll see a big difference between midweeks and Saturday games. This season I think we are going to see a huge increase in overseas weekend visitors, suspect the database of one off visitors come end of season will be the highest ever. It’s all good income for the club and a lot of them will buy merch as well, but personally I’d rather see those seats filled with actual Charlton fans.
Midweeks will be a different story, particularly with a higher % of ST holders swerving them.
We’ll definitely get overseas ground hoppers, but the reduction in 3pm kick offs will dampen that a bit.
I’m not sure. Many do a Sat + Sun game, so don’t think KO will impact too much
I think I think we will get plenty of + 20,000 gates
I agree, I think we’ll see a big difference between midweeks and Saturday games. This season I think we are going to see a huge increase in overseas weekend visitors, suspect the database of one off visitors come end of season will be the highest ever. It’s all good income for the club and a lot of them will buy merch as well, but personally I’d rather see those seats filled with actual Charlton fans.
Midweeks will be a different story, particularly with a higher % of ST holders swerving them.
We’ll definitely get overseas ground hoppers, but the reduction in 3pm kick offs will dampen that a bit.
I’m not sure. Many do a Sat + Sun game, so don’t think KO will impact too much
I think the reason we were popular was because we were often one of the only matches in London you could easily get a ticket for at 3pm on a Saturday. If we are playing at midnight on a Sunday or whatever Sky have lined up for us I don’t think we’ll be the same draw that we were.
’£2995 plus VAT which would make it a total of £3594. However if it is a business expense you might be able to claim the VAT back, or be exempt in some way. We look forward to your spend of either £2995 or £3594. See you at the Valley’.
I have a straightforward question, and it's not meant to be confrontational.
There has been a consistent focus on the "price hike." Why do some of our fans believe that ticket prices for their Club should be exempt from inflation or any price increase, even though they are thrilled about finally being out of League One? I understand the price increase that occurred the day after Wembley, but this is a separate point.
I have a straightforward question, and it's not meant to be confrontational.
There has been a consistent focus on the "price hike." Why do some of our fans believe that ticket prices for their Club should be exempt from inflation or any price increase, even though they are thrilled about finally being out of League One? I understand the price increase that occurred the day after Wembley, but this is a separate point.
I think everyone was expecting a price increase but to do it so soon after Wembley without giving fans a small window to buy before the increase is what has upset some.
I have a straightforward question, and it's not meant to be confrontational.
There has been a consistent focus on the "price hike." Why do some of our fans believe that ticket prices for their Club should be exempt from inflation or any price increase, even though they are thrilled about finally being out of League One? I understand the price increase that occurred the day after Wembley, but this is a separate point.
We've never had enough hard core fans to compete in the top division in the long/very long term. Yes we could pull in crowds of over the 27,000 (approx) capacity for the "big" games, if it was possible, but our fan base isn't hard core enough to achieve that every game like the best supported clubs.
I have a straightforward question, and it's not meant to be confrontational.
There has been a consistent focus on the "price hike." Why do some of our fans believe that ticket prices for their Club should be exempt from inflation or any price increase, even though they are thrilled about finally being out of League One? I understand the price increase that occurred the day after Wembley, but this is a separate point.
The prices were already increased for early bird season ticket holders from what we paid the previous season.
Yes you expect an increase after promotion but what this will probably mean is a significant increase for the majority of season ticket holders next season.
I have a straightforward question, and it's not meant to be confrontational.
There has been a consistent focus on the "price hike." Why do some of our fans believe that ticket prices for their Club should be exempt from inflation or any price increase, even though they are thrilled about finally being out of League One? I understand the price increase that occurred the day after Wembley, but this is a separate point.
Also, next season CAFC are likely to have have approx. 1/3 of its seats empty at each home game. To fill those seats pricing has to be realistic. Basic Economics dictates that pricing should'nt increase if demand is low. They should have filled more of those empty seats first (by offering a few weeks in which to buy at the old price) and then could have increased prices once demand and supply moved closer to each other.
The clubs comms have been poor over the play off ticket sales and arguably they could have made it blindingly clear that there would be a price hike after the deadline for st renewal and the extent of this price hike would be dependent on what division we would be in. Most people won’t need this level of communication but there are plenty who like to be offended even if on other peoples behalf and also need a reason to pin the lower than expected ST sales on. However, nobody has said that our prices are above our rivals so I assume they aren’t and so why are we moaning or expecting that the club should charge less in the hope that we can claw in sone less than committed fans ? How about adopting an attitude where you ask what u can do for the club rather than asking what they can do for you ? Theres always an excuse for some people and this has fallen right into those laps - ‘I’m offended by the increase’ - really ? On what basis ? That you didn’t know the going rate for championship football or because u thought charlton would be the cheap option ? If u want the cheap option there are still a lot of £375 tickets available. Get on board and support the club and we might just start going forwards and keep going forwards at last
Offended by you too Doucher, your wind up tactics, apparent or wilful inability to comprehend a situation that has been clearly spelt out in earlier posts, and most of all your unhealthy fanaticism that leads you tell others how they should spend their money however they feel about the situation.
I’m not trying to wind up or offend - I’ve said what I think - again - and will leave it at that
Am I missing something here ? Are out tickets more expensive than Portsmouth’s or Millwall’s ? I don’t understand why people think they should be cheaper ? I want us to sell as many as possible and of course, the cheaper they are, the more likely that is to happen but I also do t see why we are criticising the club for charging the going rate even if we are upset that we haven’t capitalised on some waiverers / glory boys caught up in the Wembley euphoria - do u not think the prices will go up again if we were to get to the prem ? There’s a lot wrong with football and tv ruining it etc but I think all this crying about a sudden price increase which was obviously going to happen is misdirected
If it was ‘obvious’ why didn’t they announce it before?
Huh? Why would they announce it before?!
Because we are supporters they want to attract? Added incentive to buy pre Wembley if you tell us it will cost more next week.
Im however disputing it was obvious.
Advertising promotion prices before you’ve been promoted doesn’t work for me. I agree with the previous poster, it is fairly obvious prices are very likely to increase in that eventuality.
I’m sure before I’ve bought a ST saying this price even if promoted.
Seems to me you can advertise this upside without any obvious downside and indeed tempt more sales.
I won’t be convinced however this price hike was the move most likely to maximise ST sales.
Saying "this price even if promoted" seems an odd approach as you'd put many people off committing and instead waiting to see what happens?
my view stands. I struggle to understand how anyone could assume that they won't be paying high to buy a season ticket if promoted so I don't see the need to warn anyone of this. I think the possible benefit to the club of this is very minor - scare a modest number of people into renewing anyway just in case we don't get promoted?
if you're targeting 12k STHs this season they probably comprise mostly people would buy anyway even in L1 or are willing to take the risk as they were aware of the possible price increase despite not being formally told about i - people who would buy anyway regardless of price increase but only if in Champ - then a small number in the middle
actively talking about the price increase just opens up a whole different discussion point, with the potential for negative sentiment amongst fans (as this thread proves), in the middle of a play off campaign when quite frankly - focus on the priority and the positive energy around that. And then if you don't go up and those price increases don't exist that negative sentiment has already occurred.
maybe the pricing is wrong and maybe they could have done things differently in the post play off period, i haven't actually given it much thought, but I don't really see why anyone can be annoyed that the club haven't formally warned them of the future prices
Seriously. Some fans think they should be able to pay the same price as those who had bought a season ticket before they knew what league we were in?
No - people that bought "before we knew what league we were in" were playing division 3 prices. they knew what league we were in, but also knew they had a benefit if we were promoted. That's as it should be.
All it needed was for the club to state that prices would go up if we were promoted, either immediately of shortly after. It's genuinely that simple. Then there would be no debate, and no-one would be annoyed.
Instead they put out a statement about taking tickets off sale without any reference to why. Not only did they miss a sales opportunity by driving purchase before the final, but they impacted post win sales at the same time as pissing people off.
Loads of comments on here about "people should have guessed / it was obvious it would happen / people should have read between the lines". No they shouldn't, the club should have been transparent.
The fact that they weren't is why this debate is still going on, and why there are loads of examples of fans not now buying tickets because the club failed to communicate.
although this makes sense. I wasn't aware they'd taken tickets off sale
still don't think the increase needs to be spelled out
Seriously. Some fans think they should be able to pay the same price as those who had bought a season ticket before they knew what league we were in?
No - people that bought "before we knew what league we were in" were playing division 3 prices. they knew what league we were in, but also knew they had a benefit if we were promoted. That's as it should be.
All it needed was for the club to state that prices would go up if we were promoted, either immediately of shortly after. It's genuinely that simple. Then there would be no debate, and no-one would be annoyed.
Instead they put out a statement about taking tickets off sale without any reference to why. Not only did they miss a sales opportunity by driving purchase before the final, but they impacted post win sales at the same time as pissing people off.
Loads of comments on here about "people should have guessed / it was obvious it would happen / people should have read between the lines". No they shouldn't, the club should have been transparent.
The fact that they weren't is why this debate is still going on, and why there are loads of examples of fans not now buying tickets because the club failed to communicate.
although this makes sense. I wasn't aware they'd taken tickets off sale
still don't think the increase needs to be spelled out
Am I missing something here ? Are out tickets more expensive than Portsmouth’s or Millwall’s ? I don’t understand why people think they should be cheaper ? I want us to sell as many as possible and of course, the cheaper they are, the more likely that is to happen but I also do t see why we are criticising the club for charging the going rate even if we are upset that we haven’t capitalised on some waiverers / glory boys caught up in the Wembley euphoria - do u not think the prices will go up again if we were to get to the prem ? There’s a lot wrong with football and tv ruining it etc but I think all this crying about a sudden price increase which was obviously going to happen is misdirected
If it was ‘obvious’ why didn’t they announce it before?
Huh? Why would they announce it before?!
Because we are supporters they want to attract? Added incentive to buy pre Wembley if you tell us it will cost more next week.
Im however disputing it was obvious.
Advertising promotion prices before you’ve been promoted doesn’t work for me. I agree with the previous poster, it is fairly obvious prices are very likely to increase in that eventuality.
I’m sure before I’ve bought a ST saying this price even if promoted.
Seems to me you can advertise this upside without any obvious downside and indeed tempt more sales.
I won’t be convinced however this price hike was the move most likely to maximise ST sales.
Saying "this price even if promoted" seems an odd approach as you'd put many people off committing and instead waiting to see what happens?
my view stands. I struggle to understand how anyone could assume that they won't be paying high to buy a season ticket if promoted so I don't see the need to warn anyone of this. I think the possible benefit to the club of this is very minor - scare a modest number of people into renewing anyway just in case we don't get promoted?
if you're targeting 12k STHs this season they probably comprise mostly people would buy anyway even in L1 or are willing to take the risk as they were aware of the possible price increase despite not being formally told about i - people who would buy anyway regardless of price increase but only if in Champ - then a small number in the middle
actively talking about the price increase just opens up a whole different discussion point, with the potential for negative sentiment amongst fans (as this thread proves), in the middle of a play off campaign when quite frankly - focus on the priority and the positive energy around that. And then if you don't go up and those price increases don't exist that negative sentiment has already occurred.
maybe the pricing is wrong and maybe they could have done things differently in the post play off period, i haven't actually given it much thought, but I don't really see why anyone can be annoyed that the club haven't formally warned them of the future prices
the lack of sales surely backs up why.
The price by contrast is very unlikely to fall in the event of relegation after all.
Further I’d remind a previous point I mentioned - the cost needs to reflect the alternate spend for individuals who aren’t yet ‘diehard’. That means comparative to a day out elsewhere whether that be a meal, cinema , theatre etc especially when considering a ‘family’ total spend. Like it or not you are now also competing with streaming / TV subscription costs.
It’s just not the most commercially beneficial approach the club have adopted.
I’d venture the ownership (long term) are less interested in the ‘working class’ fan base but more the more affluent people they think they can tempt given our geographic location.
Am I missing something here ? Are out tickets more expensive than Portsmouth’s or Millwall’s ? I don’t understand why people think they should be cheaper ? I want us to sell as many as possible and of course, the cheaper they are, the more likely that is to happen but I also do t see why we are criticising the club for charging the going rate even if we are upset that we haven’t capitalised on some waiverers / glory boys caught up in the Wembley euphoria - do u not think the prices will go up again if we were to get to the prem ? There’s a lot wrong with football and tv ruining it etc but I think all this crying about a sudden price increase which was obviously going to happen is misdirected
If it was ‘obvious’ why didn’t they announce it before?
Huh? Why would they announce it before?!
Because we are supporters they want to attract? Added incentive to buy pre Wembley if you tell us it will cost more next week.
Im however disputing it was obvious.
Advertising promotion prices before you’ve been promoted doesn’t work for me. I agree with the previous poster, it is fairly obvious prices are very likely to increase in that eventuality.
I’m sure before I’ve bought a ST saying this price even if promoted.
Seems to me you can advertise this upside without any obvious downside and indeed tempt more sales.
I won’t be convinced however this price hike was the move most likely to maximise ST sales.
Saying "this price even if promoted" seems an odd approach as you'd put many people off committing and instead waiting to see what happens?
my view stands. I struggle to understand how anyone could assume that they won't be paying high to buy a season ticket if promoted so I don't see the need to warn anyone of this. I think the possible benefit to the club of this is very minor - scare a modest number of people into renewing anyway just in case we don't get promoted?
if you're targeting 12k STHs this season they probably comprise mostly people would buy anyway even in L1 or are willing to take the risk as they were aware of the possible price increase despite not being formally told about i - people who would buy anyway regardless of price increase but only if in Champ - then a small number in the middle
actively talking about the price increase just opens up a whole different discussion point, with the potential for negative sentiment amongst fans (as this thread proves), in the middle of a play off campaign when quite frankly - focus on the priority and the positive energy around that. And then if you don't go up and those price increases don't exist that negative sentiment has already occurred.
maybe the pricing is wrong and maybe they could have done things differently in the post play off period, i haven't actually given it much thought, but I don't really see why anyone can be annoyed that the club haven't formally warned them of the future prices
the lack of sales surely backs up why.
The price by contrast is very unlikely to fall in the event of relegation after all.
Further I’d remind a previous point I mentioned - the cost needs to reflect the alternate spend for individuals who aren’t yet ‘diehard’. That means comparative to a day out elsewhere whether that be a meal, cinema , theatre etc especially when considering a ‘family’ total spend. Like it or not you are now also competing with streaming / TV subscription costs.
It’s just not the most commercially beneficial approach the club have adopted.
I’d venture the ownership (long term) are less interested in the ‘working class’ fan base but more the more affluent people they think they can tempt given our geographic location.
But is the “lack” of sales due to not being warned about the price rise? If what you’re saying is you think we’d have sold 1000 extra STs in the week before the play off final (and have sold 11k+ now) if people had been told by the way, next week tickets will be more expensive - you could be right but we’ll never know. I’m not sure 🤷♂️
Of course there is a market for these packages but I would like to know what the take up is on these. No doubt they are aware of what other clubs offer so have an idea on what to charge.
Am I missing something here ? Are out tickets more expensive than Portsmouth’s or Millwall’s ? I don’t understand why people think they should be cheaper ? I want us to sell as many as possible and of course, the cheaper they are, the more likely that is to happen but I also do t see why we are criticising the club for charging the going rate even if we are upset that we haven’t capitalised on some waiverers / glory boys caught up in the Wembley euphoria - do u not think the prices will go up again if we were to get to the prem ? There’s a lot wrong with football and tv ruining it etc but I think all this crying about a sudden price increase which was obviously going to happen is misdirected
If it was ‘obvious’ why didn’t they announce it before?
Huh? Why would they announce it before?!
Because we are supporters they want to attract? Added incentive to buy pre Wembley if you tell us it will cost more next week.
Im however disputing it was obvious.
Advertising promotion prices before you’ve been promoted doesn’t work for me. I agree with the previous poster, it is fairly obvious prices are very likely to increase in that eventuality.
I’m sure before I’ve bought a ST saying this price even if promoted.
Seems to me you can advertise this upside without any obvious downside and indeed tempt more sales.
I won’t be convinced however this price hike was the move most likely to maximise ST sales.
Saying "this price even if promoted" seems an odd approach as you'd put many people off committing and instead waiting to see what happens?
my view stands. I struggle to understand how anyone could assume that they won't be paying high to buy a season ticket if promoted so I don't see the need to warn anyone of this. I think the possible benefit to the club of this is very minor - scare a modest number of people into renewing anyway just in case we don't get promoted?
if you're targeting 12k STHs this season they probably comprise mostly people would buy anyway even in L1 or are willing to take the risk as they were aware of the possible price increase despite not being formally told about i - people who would buy anyway regardless of price increase but only if in Champ - then a small number in the middle
actively talking about the price increase just opens up a whole different discussion point, with the potential for negative sentiment amongst fans (as this thread proves), in the middle of a play off campaign when quite frankly - focus on the priority and the positive energy around that. And then if you don't go up and those price increases don't exist that negative sentiment has already occurred.
maybe the pricing is wrong and maybe they could have done things differently in the post play off period, i haven't actually given it much thought, but I don't really see why anyone can be annoyed that the club haven't formally warned them of the future prices
the lack of sales surely backs up why.
The price by contrast is very unlikely to fall in the event of relegation after all.
Further I’d remind a previous point I mentioned - the cost needs to reflect the alternate spend for individuals who aren’t yet ‘diehard’. That means comparative to a day out elsewhere whether that be a meal, cinema , theatre etc especially when considering a ‘family’ total spend. Like it or not you are now also competing with streaming / TV subscription costs.
It’s just not the most commercially beneficial approach the club have adopted.
I’d venture the ownership (long term) are less interested in the ‘working class’ fan base but more the more affluent people they think they can tempt given our geographic location.
But is the “lack” of sales due to not being warned about the price rise? If what you’re saying is you think we’d have sold 1000 extra STs in the week before the play off final (and have sold 11k+ now) if people had been told by the way, next week tickets will be more expensive - you could be right but we’ll never know. I’m not sure 🤷♂️
I’m saying we would have sold more if they had deferred the price rise for at least 1 week and cashed in on the ‘feel good’ factor post Wembley.
I’m also saying if they’d announced pre Wembley prices will rise in the event of promotion some would have bought then too.
Isn't a big chunk of having a season ticket the enhanced sense of belonging and familiarity, the people you're with and/or sitting close to, the 'same old' routine/gate/stewards/view of the game/queue at half time (lol)......... it is for me. I've done both, match and season tickets and feel much more at home and somehow have a better experience with the latter. I count myself fortunate I can both afford the season ticket and am able to make it to most games no matter the day/time.
I realise the Sky schedules give quite short notice but..... for the argument....... let's say over the course of the season we're 'guaranteed' 9 home games on Saturday at 3pm (or whatever the number) ...... and so many on a Tuesday at 7:45pm etc. etc......... would it be feasible for the club......... and would supporters want it........ to sell/buy a mixed season ticket for the same seats for so many (not sure how many) Saturday 3pm/Tuesday 7:45pm etc........ and have the fans select the dates month by month when the Sky dates/cup matched etc. are known? Too complicated? OK, I'll get my hat and coat
Last season Sky announced all the EFL games chosen for live tv up to the 3rd round of the FA Cup [early Jan] in early July, it is only later in the season when shorter notice is given.
Oh ok, I didn't realize that....... in that case I guess it would make the mixed idea easy to select and plan for the first half of the season at least.........
As the tickets would have a mixed date/time element the price could reflect 'season ticket value' rather than individual match prices and give people a more doable and affordable selection than a full season ticket.
The question with regard to the price increase or any price increase is does the decision increase revenue now (or in the future). Even if the price rise made no difference to demand, the extra revenue in 25/26 is likely to be relatively trivial in the context of the club’s operating loss - say £50k. The timing of it makes no difference to the club’s ability to use the higher prices in 26/27, when the revenue effect is potentially more meaningful.
The case for higher prices over time can be argued - higher prices that don’t generate any revenue because they deter enough people from buying to offset the gain are a waste of time.
Of course there is a market for these packages but I would like to know what the take up is on these. No doubt they are aware of what other clubs offer so have an idea on what to charge.
I'll have a stab at answering your question. But first what is of particular note is that they have tinkered with the product on offer in the Vista lounge. (All these prices ex-VAT of course!) Last season the Vista lounge was £1,100, next season £1,995. In round terms, that's an 80% increase but there will be a food offering included which there wasn't last year.
So, I guess the Vista Lounge - on two floors - holds maybe 100/150. It remains to be seen how many punters they will lose because of the increase vs how many they will gain because of the food offering.
The VP Lounge only takes 32 people I think. (Price comparison - last £3,300, this £3795, a 15% increase.) I expect it to be full.
Last year's Club 1905 Bar offering has gone, so I'll ignore that. It may be that there will be more space in the main Club 1905 area. But anyway, last season there were maybe 130 people there for most matches. It was full for Burton and the play-off semi final matches at the end of the season. My recollection is that full means around 190 people. (Price comparison last £2,500, this £2,995, a 20% increase.) But I assume that some of those people will be there as part of sponsorship arrangements such as match and match ball sponsors, etc.
Anyway, if they get similar numbers to last season, my guess is that there will be a total of maybe 250-300 people plus those in the boxes. My guess is that there's not the space for more than perhaps 350.
So maybe the hospitality function pulls in a total of around £750k plus drinks sales plus suites. That's my back of the envelope calculation.
Now it's worth mentioning that a very chunky slice of that money must go to Gather & Gather the catering company. It's also my guess that much of the hefty price increases have been driven by food price inflation together with minimum and living wage increases plus, courtesy of Rachel from Accounts, increases in employers' NI contributions. And then there's the cost of your seat which you'd have paid anyway.
Finally, and I'm sorry if I've gone on a bit, existing punters in Club 1905 were offered places at last season's prices if they paid prior to the play-off final weekend.
We quite often get mentioned on Reddit and other places about being one of the best grounds for overseas visitors , it will be interesting to see how many games get restrictions in home areas and how that affects things.
Of course there is a market for these packages but I would like to know what the take up is on these. No doubt they are aware of what other clubs offer so have an idea on what to charge.
I'll have a stab at answering your question. But first what is of particular note is that they have tinkered with the product on offer in the Vista lounge. (All these prices ex-VAT of course!) Last season the Vista lounge was £1,100, next season £1,995. In round terms, that's an 80% increase but there will be a food offering included which there wasn't last year.
So, I guess the Vista Lounge - on two floors - holds maybe 100/150. It remains to be seen how many punters they will lose because of the increase vs how many they will gain because of the food offering.
The VP Lounge only takes 32 people I think. (Price comparison - last £3,300, this £3795, a 15% increase.) I expect it to be full.
Last year's Club 1905 Bar offering has gone, so I'll ignore that. It may be that there will be more space in the main Club 1905 area. But anyway, last season there were maybe 130 people there for most matches. It was full for Burton and the play-off semi final matches at the end of the season. My recollection is that full means around 190 people. (Price comparison last £2,500, this £2,995, a 20% increase.) But I assume that some of those people will be there as part of sponsorship arrangements such as match and match ball sponsors, etc.
Anyway, if they get similar numbers to last season, my guess is that there will be a total of maybe 250-300 people plus those in the boxes. My guess is that there's not the space for more than perhaps 350.
So maybe the hospitality function pulls in a total of around £750k plus drinks sales plus suites. That's my back of the envelope calculation.
Now it's worth mentioning that a very chunky slice of that money must go to Gather & Gather the catering company. It's also my guess that much of the hefty price increases have been driven by food price inflation together with minimum and living wage increases plus, courtesy of Rachel from Accounts, increases in employers' NI contributions. And then there's the cost of your seat which you'd have paid anyway.
Finally, and I'm sorry if I've gone on a bit, existing punters in Club 1905 were offered places at last season's prices if they paid prior to the play-off final weekend.
the centre circle lounge , first year last season had people signed up and paid in advance for this season , then once promoted they were told no you have a choice of upstairs vista or three course buffet club 1905 out of order to those who already paid up and now have to pay up more for 1905 or go in to vista poor show on the punters that had forked out already for the product only for the goalposts to be moved
We quite often get mentioned on Reddit and other places about being one of the best grounds for overseas visitors , it will be interesting to see how many games get restrictions in home areas and how that affects things.
I fully expect there to be plenty of foreign visitors next season , especially from Scandinavia . I have no problem with that by the way .
Am I missing something here, why all of a sudden are we expecting overseas visitors to be flocking to The Valley.
Well Millwall have had loads for years and we've been getting more in the last few seasons in L1. So it's reasonable to assume more will want to see Championship football.
Am I missing something here, why all of a sudden are we expecting overseas visitors to be flocking to The Valley.
Well Millwall have had loads for years and we've been getting more in the last few seasons in L1. So it's reasonable to assume more will want to see Championship football.
Cheers CE, when you say we have been getting more in the last few seasons is this a reported fact or just an assumption
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The club seem to think they can get away with quoting prices plus VAT because most(?) of their punters are indeed traders not individuals. However, the marketing material is clearly also aimed at regular consumers fans. Indeed, apart from me there are plenty of other private individuals who are dumb enough to cough up. It could be argued that Part 4, Chapter 1 of the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024 would apply to both goods and services and the club are in breach of that legislation and should be doing the honest thing. I have complained several times to a certain newly honoured member of the club's staff about this but it just gets shrugged off and ignored.
Frankly, it is underhand and they should stop doing it.
’£2995 plus VAT which would make it a total of £3594.
However if it is a business expense you might be able to claim the VAT back, or be exempt in some way.
We look forward to your spend of either £2995 or £3594.
See you at the Valley’.
There has been a consistent focus on the "price hike." Why do some of our fans believe that ticket prices for their Club should be exempt from inflation or any price increase, even though they are thrilled about finally being out of League One? I understand the price increase that occurred the day after Wembley, but this is a separate point.
Yes we could pull in crowds of over the 27,000 (approx) capacity for the "big" games, if it was possible, but our fan base isn't hard core enough to achieve that every game like the best supported clubs.
Yes you expect an increase after promotion but what this will probably mean is a significant increase for the majority of season ticket holders next season.
my view stands. I struggle to understand how anyone could assume that they won't be paying high to buy a season ticket if promoted so I don't see the need to warn anyone of this. I think the possible benefit to the club of this is very minor - scare a modest number of people into renewing anyway just in case we don't get promoted?
if you're targeting 12k STHs this season they probably comprise mostly people would buy anyway even in L1 or are willing to take the risk as they were aware of the possible price increase despite not being formally told about i - people who would buy anyway regardless of price increase but only if in Champ - then a small number in the middle
actively talking about the price increase just opens up a whole different discussion point, with the potential for negative sentiment amongst fans (as this thread proves), in the middle of a play off campaign when quite frankly - focus on the priority and the positive energy around that. And then if you don't go up and those price increases don't exist that negative sentiment has already occurred.
maybe the pricing is wrong and maybe they could have done things differently in the post play off period, i haven't actually given it much thought, but I don't really see why anyone can be annoyed that the club haven't formally warned them of the future prices
still don't think the increase needs to be spelled out
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/get-your-season-ticket-sundays-deadline
Season tickets are back on sale, giving you the chance to be part of what promises to be an exciting campaign.
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/season-tickets-back-sale-1
Of course there is a market for these packages but I would like to know what the take up is on these. No doubt they are aware of what other clubs offer so have an idea on what to charge.
As the tickets would have a mixed date/time element the price could reflect 'season ticket value' rather than individual match prices and give people a more doable and affordable selection than a full season ticket.
The case for higher prices over time can be argued - higher prices that don’t generate any revenue because they deter enough people from buying to offset the gain are a waste of time.
So, I guess the Vista Lounge - on two floors - holds maybe 100/150. It remains to be seen how many punters they will lose because of the increase vs how many they will gain because of the food offering.
The VP Lounge only takes 32 people I think. (Price comparison - last £3,300, this £3795, a 15% increase.) I expect it to be full.
Last year's Club 1905 Bar offering has gone, so I'll ignore that. It may be that there will be more space in the main Club 1905 area. But anyway, last season there were maybe 130 people there for most matches. It was full for Burton and the play-off semi final matches at the end of the season. My recollection is that full means around 190 people. (Price comparison last £2,500, this £2,995, a 20% increase.) But I assume that some of those people will be there as part of sponsorship arrangements such as match and match ball sponsors, etc.
Anyway, if they get similar numbers to last season, my guess is that there will be a total of maybe 250-300 people plus those in the boxes. My guess is that there's not the space for more than perhaps 350.
So maybe the hospitality function pulls in a total of around £750k plus drinks sales plus suites. That's my back of the envelope calculation.
Now it's worth mentioning that a very chunky slice of that money must go to Gather & Gather the catering company. It's also my guess that much of the hefty price increases have been driven by food price inflation together with minimum and living wage increases plus, courtesy of Rachel from Accounts, increases in employers' NI contributions. And then there's the cost of your seat which you'd have paid anyway.
Finally, and I'm sorry if I've gone on a bit, existing punters in Club 1905 were offered places at last season's prices if they paid prior to the play-off final weekend.
out of order to those who already paid up and now have to pay up more for 1905 or go in to vista
poor show on the punters that had forked out already for the product only for the goalposts to be moved