Am I missing something here, why all of a sudden are we expecting overseas visitors to be flocking to The Valley.
Well Millwall have had loads for years and we've been getting more in the last few seasons in L1. So it's reasonable to assume more will want to see Championship football.
Cheers CE, when you say we have been getting more in the last few seasons is this a reported fact or just an assumption
They are in the ground and in the pubs. I know from personal experience as I never miss a home game.
Am I missing something here, why all of a sudden are we expecting overseas visitors to be flocking to The Valley.
Flocking isn’t the right word but definitely a large increase .
I am intrigued where this information comes from, who knows who is an overseas visitor, do they have to wear a badge
from personal experience in the last couple of years it’s been noticeable on the AC Stand concourse that there are visitors present from overseas, especially Scandinavians. Had a wee chat with a group of about five lads last season who were in London to see Arsenal at the Emirates on the Sunday and had decided to take in another game on the Saturday and we were at home so along they popped. Definitely been an increase of such attendees in the last couple of seasons.
I saw a class of about 15 French students looked about 19 at one of the mid season misery midweek games (might even have been the infamous Crawley one) in Bartrams .
Yep. Was chatting to a Dutch lad on the bus back to Wool-Witch after one of the last home games. There were about 6 adults and a dozen or so kids. They were making their way back to East London, over for a football tournament that Sunday and had wanted to see a game. Every single one of them was wearing a new Charlton scarf.
Yep. Was chatting to a Dutch lad on the bus back to Wool-Witch after one of the last home games. There were about 6 adults and a dozen or so kids. They were making their way back to East London, over for a football tournament that Sunday and had wanted to see a game. Every single one of them was wearing a new Charlton scarf.
Love stuff like this. Think the club must too as often they will buy something in the shop as a keepsake
Yep. Was chatting to a Dutch lad on the bus back to Wool-Witch after one of the last home games. There were about 6 adults and a dozen or so kids. They were making their way back to East London, over for a football tournament that Sunday and had wanted to see a game. Every single one of them was wearing a new Charlton scarf.
They probably would prefer a double scarf instead of a half & half.
Yep. Was chatting to a Dutch lad on the bus back to Wool-Witch after one of the last home games. There were about 6 adults and a dozen or so kids. They were making their way back to East London, over for a football tournament that Sunday and had wanted to see a game. Every single one of them was wearing a new Charlton scarf.
Love stuff like this. Think the club must too as often they will buy something in the shop as a keepsake
I did also manage to teach him that it was Wool-Itch and not Wool-Witch 😉
Yep. Was chatting to a Dutch lad on the bus back to Wool-Witch after one of the last home games. There were about 6 adults and a dozen or so kids. They were making their way back to East London, over for a football tournament that Sunday and had wanted to see a game. Every single one of them was wearing a new Charlton scarf.
Love stuff like this. Think the club must too as often they will buy something in the shop as a keepsake
Or the fella on his excellent stall opposite the shop
Yep. Was chatting to a Dutch lad on the bus back to Wool-Witch after one of the last home games. There were about 6 adults and a dozen or so kids. They were making their way back to East London, over for a football tournament that Sunday and had wanted to see a game. Every single one of them was wearing a new Charlton scarf.
Love stuff like this. Think the club must too as often they will buy something in the shop as a keepsake
I did also manage to teach him that it was Wool-Itch and not Wool-Witch 😉
Am I missing something here ? Are out tickets more expensive than Portsmouth’s or Millwall’s ? I don’t understand why people think they should be cheaper ? I want us to sell as many as possible and of course, the cheaper they are, the more likely that is to happen but I also do t see why we are criticising the club for charging the going rate even if we are upset that we haven’t capitalised on some waiverers / glory boys caught up in the Wembley euphoria - do u not think the prices will go up again if we were to get to the prem ? There’s a lot wrong with football and tv ruining it etc but I think all this crying about a sudden price increase which was obviously going to happen is misdirected
If it was ‘obvious’ why didn’t they announce it before?
Huh? Why would they announce it before?!
Because we are supporters they want to attract? Added incentive to buy pre Wembley if you tell us it will cost more next week.
Im however disputing it was obvious.
Advertising promotion prices before you’ve been promoted doesn’t work for me. I agree with the previous poster, it is fairly obvious prices are very likely to increase in that eventuality.
I’m sure before I’ve bought a ST saying this price even if promoted.
Seems to me you can advertise this upside without any obvious downside and indeed tempt more sales.
I won’t be convinced however this price hike was the move most likely to maximise ST sales.
Saying "this price even if promoted" seems an odd approach as you'd put many people off committing and instead waiting to see what happens?
my view stands. I struggle to understand how anyone could assume that they won't be paying high to buy a season ticket if promoted so I don't see the need to warn anyone of this. I think the possible benefit to the club of this is very minor - scare a modest number of people into renewing anyway just in case we don't get promoted?
if you're targeting 12k STHs this season they probably comprise mostly people would buy anyway even in L1 or are willing to take the risk as they were aware of the possible price increase despite not being formally told about i - people who would buy anyway regardless of price increase but only if in Champ - then a small number in the middle
actively talking about the price increase just opens up a whole different discussion point, with the potential for negative sentiment amongst fans (as this thread proves), in the middle of a play off campaign when quite frankly - focus on the priority and the positive energy around that. And then if you don't go up and those price increases don't exist that negative sentiment has already occurred.
maybe the pricing is wrong and maybe they could have done things differently in the post play off period, i haven't actually given it much thought, but I don't really see why anyone can be annoyed that the club haven't formally warned them of the future prices
the lack of sales surely backs up why.
The price by contrast is very unlikely to fall in the event of relegation after all.
Further I’d remind a previous point I mentioned - the cost needs to reflect the alternate spend for individuals who aren’t yet ‘diehard’. That means comparative to a day out elsewhere whether that be a meal, cinema , theatre etc especially when considering a ‘family’ total spend. Like it or not you are now also competing with streaming / TV subscription costs.
It’s just not the most commercially beneficial approach the club have adopted.
I’d venture the ownership (long term) are less interested in the ‘working class’ fan base but more the more affluent people they think they can tempt given our geographic location.
But is the “lack” of sales due to not being warned about the price rise? If what you’re saying is you think we’d have sold 1000 extra STs in the week before the play off final (and have sold 11k+ now) if people had been told by the way, next week tickets will be more expensive - you could be right but we’ll never know. I’m not sure 🤷♂️
I don't get what some don't understand the problem here.
A traditional pressure sales technique is to create a feeling that the 'customer' is being offered a good deal, but that good deal has a deadline, sometimes short so there isn't much time to think about it and change your mind.
This encourages people to jump in and take up the offer. By not making the consequences very clear, loads have actually missed out without being given that fear factor.
I would suggest that some are upset because they've missed out, some like me who is no longer in a position to benefit from a season ticket maybe upset because the club has handled this badly and could have had many more season ticket holders and more up front money.
Yep. Was chatting to a Dutch lad on the bus back to Wool-Witch after one of the last home games. There were about 6 adults and a dozen or so kids. They were making their way back to East London, over for a football tournament that Sunday and had wanted to see a game. Every single one of them was wearing a new Charlton scarf.
Love stuff like this. Think the club must too as often they will buy something in the shop as a keepsake
I did also manage to teach him that it was Wool-Itch and not Wool-Witch 😉
The thing that struck me most about those VIP season ticket prices is that it doesn’t include an open bar. “Complimentary drink upon arrival”? If I’m dropping thousands on a Charlton season ticket I want there to be long term health consequences from the volume of complimentary booze that I consume over the course of the season.
Am I missing something here, why all of a sudden are we expecting overseas visitors to be flocking to The Valley.
Flocking isn’t the right word but definitely a large increase .
I am intrigued where this information comes from, who knows who is an overseas visitor, do they have to wear a badge
No badges required. I've noticed a significant increase in foreign visitors to the West Stand last season i.e. groups (about 5 - 8) of normally younger men with some women, speaking German, French, Swedish, etc. I've spoken to a few and eavesdropped their conversations and the main reasons they came to the Valley were:
3pm Saturday KO (not that many London Premiership / Championship KO's at 3pm on a Saturday)
availability and to a lesser extent affordability of tickets
big'ish noisy typical English matchday atmosphere
Its not the obviuous Stamford Bridge, Emirates, Tottenham trip i.e. a bit unusual
The late, lamented ex-CEO Charlie Methven was aware of this change in the CAFC crowd and was talking openly about how to reach/encourage it. Whilst Championship football might be more attractive to this "audience" the increased moving of KO times that comes with going into the Championship will work against it as only a Saturday KO fits into a weekend visit to London.
Not quite the same but there are also an increasing number of foreign born, young professionals who have moved to London for work visiting The Valley. Normally in smaller groups (2-4). Again, I heard Charlie Methven talking about it after a match in Bartrams. As for ideas on how to attract them someone suggested the idea of marketing the concept of "its OK to support a second team whilst your in London" type campaign.
Quite a few in the WSL too, especially towards the end of the season......... they're easy to spot, they're the ones trying to bring their pints back to their seats..... A lot of them have club shop bags too and get involved in the game and singing for Gooden, TC etc. ....... it's good to see.
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I know from personal experience as I never miss a home game.
A traditional pressure sales technique is to create a feeling that the 'customer' is being offered a good deal, but that good deal has a deadline, sometimes short so there isn't much time to think about it and change your mind.
This encourages people to jump in and take up the offer. By not making the consequences very clear, loads have actually missed out without being given that fear factor.
I would suggest that some are upset because they've missed out, some like me who is no longer in a position to benefit from a season ticket maybe upset because the club has handled this badly and could have had many more season ticket holders and more up front money.
- 3pm Saturday KO (not that many London Premiership / Championship KO's at 3pm on a Saturday)
- availability and to a lesser extent affordability of tickets
- big'ish noisy typical English matchday atmosphere
- Its not the obviuous Stamford Bridge, Emirates, Tottenham trip i.e. a bit unusual
The late, lamented ex-CEO Charlie Methven was aware of this change in the CAFC crowd and was talking openly about how to reach/encourage it. Whilst Championship football might be more attractive to this "audience" the increased moving of KO times that comes with going into the Championship will work against it as only a Saturday KO fits into a weekend visit to London.Not quite the same but there are also an increasing number of foreign born, young professionals who have moved to London for work visiting The Valley. Normally in smaller groups (2-4). Again, I heard Charlie Methven talking about it after a match in Bartrams. As for ideas on how to attract them someone suggested the idea of marketing the concept of "its OK to support a second team whilst your in London" type campaign.
A lot of them have club shop bags too and get involved in the game and singing for Gooden, TC etc. ....... it's good to see.