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  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,219
    No change there then.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,780
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    Pointing out that a hyped player lacks weapons isn't a dig it's an observation. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    edited June 28
    Order of play on the show courts on Monday:

    Centre (1:30pm start)
    Fognini v Alcaraz [2]
    Badosa [9] v Boulter
    Rinderknech v Zverev [3]

    No. 1 (1:00pm start)
    Sabalenka [1] v Branstine
    Fearnley v Fonseca
    Raducanu v Xu

    No. 2 (11:00am start)
    Bonzi v Medvedev [9]
    Ruse v Keys [6]
    Paolini [4] v Svetasova
    Fritz [5] v Mpetshi Perricard

    No. 3 (11:00am start)
    Kartal v Ostapenko [20]
    Rune [8] v Jarry
    Berrettini [32] v Majchrzak
    Siniakova v Zheng [5]

    No. 12 (11:00am start)
    Moller v Tiafoe [12]
    Royer v Tsitsipas [24]
    Fernandez [29] v Klugman
    Vondrousova v Kessler [32]

    No. 18 (11:00am start)
    Bondar v Svitolina [14]
    Norrie v Bautista Agut
    McDonald v Khachanov [17]
    Osaka v Gibson

    Other Brits…
    Tarvet v Riedl - 1st on court 4
    Quinn v Searle - 3rd on court 4
    Popyrin [20] v Fery - 2nd on court 15
    Harris v Lajovic - 3rd on court 15
    Bellucci v Crawford - 1st on court 16
    Dart v Galfi - 3rd on court 17
    Krueger [31] v Stojsavljevic - 4th on court 17
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    so true
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    Pointing out that a hyped player lacks weapons isn't a dig it's an observation. 
    not that hyped up really. Far more over-reaction to her being over-hyped than actually being over-hyped. By far the majority of people who are rational and objective are unsurprising rational, realistic and objective
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    Tarvet wins the first set.

    Kartal serving for the set against Ostapenko. Crawford in a tie break with Bellucci.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    Kartal wins the first set over Ostapenko.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    Kartal wins the first set over Ostapenko.
    And so does Crawford!
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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,833
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    so true
    I better not comment on Charlton anymore as I would struggle to get in the top 44 teams in the country 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,833
    Order of play on the show courts on Monday:


    No. 2 (11:00am start)
    Bonzi v Medvedev [9]
    Ruse v Keys [6]
    Paolini [4] v Svetasova
    Fritz [5] v Mpetshi Perricard


    this is probably the best set of games on the big 3 courts
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    edited June 30
    MrOneLung said:
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    so true
    I better not comment on Charlton anymore as I would struggle to get in the top 44 teams in the country 
    Why do you troll her and say she isn't very good and should try a different sport? Fair, objective comment is fine but biased, ignorant trolling is not. 

    I don't think Charlton should give up because they aren't in the top 26 teams in the world, or indeed in the country 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    edited June 30
    Tarvet takes a 2-0 lead. Crawford and Kartal pegged back to 1-1 each. Norrie just started against Bautista Agut.
  • jakecafc
    jakecafc Posts: 2,065
    Great win for Kartal against the 20th seed.
  • jakecafc
    jakecafc Posts: 2,065
    I think she's got the game to be top 20 at least. She was also born in Sidcup.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    Well done Kartal - wins 7-5 2-6 6-2.

    Tarvet two sets and a break up - the winner of that match likely plays Alcaraz next.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,758
    jakecafc said:
    I think she's got the game to be top 20 at least. She was also born in Sidcup.
    A lot of great people are. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    edited June 30
    jakecafc said:
    I think she's got the game to be top 20 at least. She was also born in Sidcup.
    not sure about top 20 but I think there is going to be ongoing competition for GB no. 1
    She's certainly very calm
  • jakecafc
    jakecafc Posts: 2,065
    jakecafc said:
    I think she's got the game to be top 20 at least. She was also born in Sidcup.
    A lot of great people are. 
    Definitely.
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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,833
    MrOneLung said:
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    Kips said:
    I suspect a lot of Raducanu's problems are caused by what goes on between her ears.

     She seems to come up with lots of different excuses. Not sure if it's simply because she gets more media exposure, but her excuses seem more apparent and wide ranging than others, to me.

    If she or one of her team can place more emphasis upon the mental side you might see a top player. Otherwise she'll continue to drift within that middle order of the rankings, which comprise mainly of inconsistent and journeyman type players. 
    Leaving aside her mental and physical issues I don't see anything in Raducanu's game that suggests she's ever going to challenge at the top level. There's not a single shot in her locker that I'd rank as an elite weapon and without that she's always going to struggle.
    She's not a top 10 player. I don't think anyone thinks she is or ever will be. But tennis isn't just about the top 10. Being top 40 is not struggling though
    I think a lot of the people having a dig at Raducanu would struggle to be top 40 in the world at anything, except perhaps being a whiny little fecker.
    so true
    I better not comment on Charlton anymore as I would struggle to get in the top 44 teams in the country 
    Why do you troll her and say she isn't very good and should try a different sport? Fair, objective comment is fine but biased, ignorant trolling is not. 

    I don't think Charlton should give up because they aren't in the top 26 teams in the world, or indeed in the country 
    who me? 

    I think the only criticism I have given was probably a year ago saying that she needs to learn the difference between being injured, and playing with discomfort - that was when there was a spate of withdrawals.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    jakecafc said:
    I think she's got the game to be top 20 at least. She was also born in Sidcup.
    A lot of great people are. 
    born in Sidcup?
  • jakecafc
    jakecafc Posts: 2,065
    Oliver Tarvet wins. Am I right in thinking he has to forfeit all of his earnings because of the US college system?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,758

    Tarvet studies at the University of San Diego and has developed his game in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) system. Under NCAA rules, players are restricted in how much they can claim from professional tournaments. He's allowed $10,000 (£7,290) in profit every year, as well as any expenses incurred during the events.

    Think he might have to drop college!


  • Tarvet into R2 - probably facing Alcaraz.

    Now inside the top 400 in the rankings having previously been at 733.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    edited June 30
    Tarvet wins in straight sets - Alcaraz likely awaits in round 2.

    Crawford down 2 sets to 1 against Bellucci.

    Norrie wins the first set over Bautista Agut.

    Fery wins the first set over 20th seed Popyrin.


    Brits not doing too bad so far!
  • jakecafc
    jakecafc Posts: 2,065

    Tarvet studies at the University of San Diego and has developed his game in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) system. Under NCAA rules, players are restricted in how much they can claim from professional tournaments. He's allowed $10,000 (£7,290) in profit every year, as well as any expenses incurred during the events.

    Think he might have to drop college!


    Mad that. He's earned over 100k now hasn't he? 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,758
    jakecafc said:

    Tarvet studies at the University of San Diego and has developed his game in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) system. Under NCAA rules, players are restricted in how much they can claim from professional tournaments. He's allowed $10,000 (£7,290) in profit every year, as well as any expenses incurred during the events.

    Think he might have to drop college!


    Mad that. He's earned over 100k now hasn't he? 
    Might be wrong but think it's £99k just for losing his next match but, seemingly, won't get that. Unless he has some really massive "expenses" to offset that!
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,707

    Tarvet studies at the University of San Diego and has developed his game in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) system. Under NCAA rules, players are restricted in how much they can claim from professional tournaments. He's allowed $10,000 (£7,290) in profit every year, as well as any expenses incurred during the events.

    Think he might have to drop college!


    He said last week he'll be completing his 4th year at USD in respect for the efforts and resources they put into him.
    He may not be collecting the tournament prize money but is he proscribed sponsorship revenue?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,758
    Billy_Mix said:

    Tarvet studies at the University of San Diego and has developed his game in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) system. Under NCAA rules, players are restricted in how much they can claim from professional tournaments. He's allowed $10,000 (£7,290) in profit every year, as well as any expenses incurred during the events.

    Think he might have to drop college!


    He said last week he'll be completing his 4th year at USD in respect for the efforts and resources they put into him.
    He may not be collecting the tournament prize money but is he proscribed sponsorship revenue?
    I don't know whether sponsorship is defined as "profit" but he was definitely not happy about not being allowed prize money.