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It's a shame Ollie Robinson (Sussex one) threw an international career away because of off the pitch stuff and not wanting to do the basics. He'd probably have been decently effective with the pink ball too.1
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Robinson is in Australia and took a hat-trick playing 1st grade cricket albeit that were numbers 8,9 and 10.MarcusH26 said:It's a shame Ollie Robinson (Sussex one) threw an international career away because of off the pitch stuff and not wanting to do the basics. He'd probably have been decently effective with the pink ball too.
Meanwhile, another former England bowler, Monty Panesar, is playing grade cricket in Australia and returned figures of 10-2-30-5 in 4th grade cricket that is.
Another to currently be playing 4th grade is Rangana Herath, the man who has 433 Test wickets to his name and 1,888 professional wickets in all forms of the game.
They might be both getting on a bit but I'm sure that they aren't playing at those levels for fun.0 -
If Ollie Robinson is the answer, then we’re in more trouble that we thought! He was shocking over here last time, and is basically playing Sydney grade cricket, whilst his girlfriend boosts her social media profile with the obligatory photo opps of Bondi Beach, The Harbour Bridge and cuddly Koalas.
Although the bowling in the first innings was shockingly bad, I actually think that this group of bowlers (including Potts and Tongue), can do the business over here, if they can get back to basics and stop going to the short ball so soon into a spell. It needs to be fuller and give the ball a chance to either bounce or do a bit off the seam, rather than banging it into the pitch which is meat and drink for these Aussie batters.
The batting is another issue altogether, but I am positive that there needs to be a change in the top three, and given we don’t have another opener, that means Pope either dropping down the order to keep, or even out of the side completely and give Bethell or even the young lad Tribe a chance to bat at three. Far from ideal, but it is hard to think of a player less suited to batting at three than Olly Pope, as his tremulous nature is causing disquiet all through the order.
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Wife now. The one he had the affair with (and turned up at the England hotel with during the 2023 Ashes) as he dumped his long term partner and mother of his child a matter of a three months prior to their wedding.brownbear said:If Ollie Robinson is the answer, then we’re in more trouble that we thought! He was shocking over here last time, and is basically playing Sydney grade cricket, whilst his girlfriend boosts her social media profile with the obligatory photo opps of Bondi Beach, The Harbour Bridge and cuddly Koalas.
Although the bowling in the first innings was shockingly bad, I actually think that this group of bowlers (including Potts and Tongue), can do the business over here, if they can get back to basics and stop going to the short ball so soon into a spell. It needs to be fuller and give the ball a chance to either bounce or do a bit off the seam, rather than banging it into the pitch which is meat and drink for these Aussie batters.
The batting is another issue altogether, but I am positive that there needs to be a change in the top three, and given we don’t have another opener, that means Pope either dropping down the order to keep, or even out of the side completely and give Bethell or even the young lad Tribe a chance to bat at three. Far from ideal, but it is hard to think of a player less suited to batting at three than Olly Pope, as his tremulous nature is causing disquiet all through the order.
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Wife now. The one he had the affair with (and turned up at the England hotel with during the 2023 Ashes) as he dumped his long term partner and mother of his child a matter of a three months prior to their wedding.brownbear said:If Ollie Robinson is the answer, then we’re in more trouble that we thought! He was shocking over here last time, and is basically playing Sydney grade cricket, whilst his girlfriend boosts her social media profile with the obligatory photo opps of Bondi Beach, The Harbour Bridge and cuddly Koalas.
Although the bowling in the first innings was shockingly bad, I actually think that this group of bowlers (including Potts and Tongue), can do the business over here, if they can get back to basics and stop going to the short ball so soon into a spell. It needs to be fuller and give the ball a chance to either bounce or do a bit off the seam, rather than banging it into the pitch which is meat and drink for these Aussie batters.
The batting is another issue altogether, but I am positive that there needs to be a change in the top three, and given we don’t have another opener, that means Pope either dropping down the order to keep, or even out of the side completely and give Bethell or even the young lad Tribe a chance to bat at three. Far from ideal, but it is hard to think of a player less suited to batting at three than Olly Pope, as his tremulous nature is causing disquiet all through the order.
Seems like an all-round good guy!
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Talk of Jacks to 3. Though sounds like its more media speculation than something from the England camp. That its even talked about shows muddled (at best) thinking0
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If true, it also demonstrates that they aren't going to use Bethell as a top three bat so went to the Ashes without a ready made replacement. When we went in 2010-11 we took Burns, Crawley, Hameed, Pope and Malan. That's without counting Bairstow, Buttler and Lawrence who have all opened in some form of the game.cantersaddick said:Talk of Jacks to 3. Though sounds like its more media speculation than something from the England camp. That its even talked about shows muddled (at best) thinking
As I've said, McCullum and Key love a gamble.2 -
If Jacks is a Test No.3 bat then I'm an eskimo0
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I knew itkinveachyaddick said:If Jacks is a Test No.3 bat then I'm an eskimo2 -
How cold is Greenland in December?kinveachyaddick said:If Jacks is a Test No.3 bat then I'm an eskimo
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Milder than usual this year. Climate change…thai malaysia addick said:
How cold is Greenland in December?kinveachyaddick said:If Jacks is a Test No.3 bat then I'm an eskimo0 -
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Ah a fellow Eskimo.kinveachyaddick said:If Jacks is a Test No.3 bat then I'm an eskimo
I must say: Qungasirura angijualuk!1 -
your igloo wouldn't last long in the Aussie sun .. I agree, 3 is a problem position and has been on and off for years. Root is probably the answer, but he hates batting there, so, Brook could well be the answer, might also force him to learn sense of responsibility to the team.kinveachyaddick said:If Jacks is a Test No.3 bat then I'm an eskimo
Move Stokes to 5 with Jacks at 6, or vice versa.
I don't think the all round batting issue is lack of talent, more a case of lacking determination and application
As ever, we will see next week, last chance to salvage some respect1 -
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Fresh off tormenting England , Michael Neser has joined Hampshire for the first 6 games of the County Championship. Jake Lehmann has also signed a 2yr deal as a domestic player.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/hampshire-announce-signings-michael-neser-jake-lehmann-15154460 -
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One change for Adelaide. Atkinson out, Tongue in.
1 Crawley
2 Duckett
3 Pope
4 Root
5 Brook
6 Stokes
7 Smith
8 Jacks
9 Carse
10 Archer
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So I think it's safe to say the Shoab Bashir experiment is over. What a debacle and horrendous management from Key and Mccullum. Written off every county spinner that's actually taken wickets for someone who was Somerset's third choice and now can't even get a county contract. Rehan Ahmed next summer then?5
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Callumcafc said:One change for Adelaide. Atkinson out, Tongue in.
1 Crawley
2 Duckett
3 Pope
4 Root
5 Brook
6 Stokes
7 Smith
8 Jacks
9 Carse
10 Archer
11 Tongue
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Tongue is the man who can keep the Ashes alive0
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Harry Brook totally not reading the room and saying they have had a fantastic time off since the last test6
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The sad thing is that he is going to struggle to actually have a meaningful career. He's not a white ball spinner, can't bat and teams in the CC might only need him for half a season. Bethell is in a similar position, so far as his stunted development is concerned, but he has the advantage of being a white ball player too.MarcusH26 said:So I think it's safe to say the Shoab Bashir experiment is over. What a debacle and horrendous management from Key and Mccullum. Written off every county spinner that's actually taken wickets for someone who was Somerset's third choice and now can't even get a county contract. Rehan Ahmed next summer then?
This is as much down to the ECB as it is McCullum and Key though. The effectiveness of the CC and the 50 over competition, as schools for young cricketers to develop their careers, has been totally eroded. The England management can't trust the pathway so find themselves selecting on "hunches" and "analysts" but compound that by then over protecting them, in enforcing those central contracts, in refusing to use those vehicles to allow those players to learn their craft.6 -
Robinson took 11 wickets @25.54 in Australia. Not sure by what metric that is shocking?brownbear said:If Ollie Robinson is the answer, then we’re in more trouble that we thought! He was shocking over here last time, and is basically playing Sydney grade cricket, whilst his girlfriend boosts her social media profile with the obligatory photo opps of Bondi Beach, The Harbour Bridge and cuddly Koalas.
Although the bowling in the first innings was shockingly bad, I actually think that this group of bowlers (including Potts and Tongue), can do the business over here, if they can get back to basics and stop going to the short ball so soon into a spell. It needs to be fuller and give the ball a chance to either bounce or do a bit off the seam, rather than banging it into the pitch which is meat and drink for these Aussie batters.
The batting is another issue altogether, but I am positive that there needs to be a change in the top three, and given we don’t have another opener, that means Pope either dropping down the order to keep, or even out of the side completely and give Bethell or even the young lad Tribe a chance to bat at three. Far from ideal, but it is hard to think of a player less suited to batting at three than Olly Pope, as his tremulous nature is causing disquiet all through the order.
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I can tell you exactly how it was shocking, as I was at the Gabba for the opening two days, as we were swept aside with contempt, as our two best ever bowlers were sat on their arses thanks to the genius that was Chris Silverwood and the planning 'Director' Mo Bobat.
Australia has run through us in two sessions, as Starc and Cummins peppered our batters with high quality pace bowling in the mid 140s to dismiss us for around 130.
If memory servess we opened the bowling with Chris Woakes and Ollie Robinson, the latter of whom plodded in with about as much menace as a defanged cocker spaniel and much to the mirth and merriment of the Aussie crowd, struggled to 'break' the 130kph barrier in the remainder of the session, whilst looking like he would rather be just about anywhere else in the world.
This was of course the test where after we had (yet again) been utterly humiliated, that Chris Silverwood proclaimed chirpily afterwards that he would 'take the positives'. By the second test in Adelaide Ollie Robinson was reduced to bowling some ropey off spin, that would have been frowned upon in Sidcup 4th XI yet alone the Ashes.
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As someone who started his career in the Sidcup 4th XI (and rose to the heady heights of the 3rd XI albeit touching the 2s when they were desperate) I take great offence at that. As did, ironically of course, the other Ollie Robinson, although it only took him a couple of years to make it to the 1s.brownbear said:I can tell you exactly how it was shocking, as I was at the Gabba for the opening two days, as we were swept aside with contempt, as our two best ever bowlers were sat on their arses thanks to the genius that was Chris Silverwood and the planning 'Director' Mo Bobat.
Australia has run through us in two sessions, as Starc and Cummins peppered our batters with high quality pace bowling in the mid 140s to dismiss us for around 130.
If memory servess we opened the bowling with Chris Woakes and Ollie Robinson, the latter of whom plodded in with about as much menace as a defanged cocker spaniel and much to the mirth and merriment of the Aussie crowd, struggled to 'break' the 130kph barrier in the remainder of the session, whilst looking like he would rather be just about anywhere else in the world.
This was of course the test where after we had (yet again) been utterly humiliated, that Chris Silverwood proclaimed chirpily afterwards that he would 'take the positives'. By the second test in Adelaide Ollie Robinson was reduced to bowling some ropey off spin, that would have been frowned upon in Sidcup 4th XI yet alone the Ashes.
Joking aside, there is nothing worse, in my opinion, than a sports person that cheats because the only person they are cheating is themselves. In Robinson's case he has cheated. For Kent, Yorkshire and England he's enjoyed the off field activities far too much. With Jimmy Anderson's application he could and should have been so much better.2 -
I expected Tongue to play, though had thought it would be in place of Carse rather than Atkinson.2
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Thought Potts would come in too and both Carse and Atkinson would be taken out the firing linekillerandflash said:I expected Tongue to play, though had thought it would be in place of Carse rather than Atkinson.2 -
Until the game was lost Atkinson looked much more like the player Surrey fans have seen rather than the player he briefly was when he first broke into the test side.killerandflash said:I expected Tongue to play, though had thought it would be in place of Carse rather than Atkinson.0
