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He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete1 -
We won't end up 24th.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete1 -
If we finish below Sheff Wednesday, something has gone seriously wrong.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete1 -
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.4 -
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.1 -
It’s not a coincidence that those saying we’ll be relegated are many of the same who said we had no chance of promotion. Doesn’t mean they’re wrong but it’s a useful perspective
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The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.3 -
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.13 -
Most teams in the championship try and play nice football. We probably have the 23rd highest budget in the league, if we try and play nice football we will finish 23rd because all the other teams will do the same but with better players. We have to play a different way which is why it’s great that we have Jones, who is one of the best managers at playing a different way3
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Fans have no patience these days. It was the same last season with loads wanting Jones out. You’d think people might learn from that but obviously not and because we’ve had a bad run with loads of injuries we’re getting relegated, even though the same thing happened last season and we were absolutely fine second half of the seasonfenaddick said:It’s not a coincidence that those saying we’ll be relegated are many of the same who said we had no chance of promotion. Doesn’t mean they’re wrong but it’s a useful perspective
The same fans will demand loads of signings and money spent every window. It’s just the modern football fan unfortunately
Thankfully the people running our club seem a lot smarter than what we’ve had before. Not jumping from different managers and styles and ending up with a mess of a squad. We need to be patient and let Jones build, let him develop our players over time and add some quality each year9 -
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Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.1 -
Even if we drop into the bottom 3 I think we will be fine. We’ve proven we can get results against any team when we’ve got a proper side out ourselves. All we need to do is add 2-3 players to cover where we are short with injuries and we will be picking up results again.Braziliance said:
Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.We were never going to be high on the attacking numbers, but we don’t need to be. If we have a top half defence and an attack that is better than bottom 3, then we will stay up comfortably. And before our injuries we were fine on both of those3 -
We haven't got an attack that is better than bottom 3.NabySarr said:
Even if we drop into the bottom 3 I think we will be fine. We’ve proven we can get results against any team when we’ve got a proper side out ourselves. All we need to do is add 2-3 players to cover where we are short with injuries and we will be picking up results again.Braziliance said:
Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.We were never going to be high on the attacking numbers, but we don’t need to be. If we have a top half defence and an attack that is better than bottom 3, then we will stay up comfortably. And before our injuries we were fine on both of those
Norwich and Oxford both scored more than us.0 -
We did when we had a team playing our system with everyone in the right position. Once we get back to our proper system with proper wing backs we will start creating and scoring enough to win games, which is what we were doing before the injuriesCaptainRobbo said:
We haven't got an attack that is better than bottom 3.NabySarr said:
Even if we drop into the bottom 3 I think we will be fine. We’ve proven we can get results against any team when we’ve got a proper side out ourselves. All we need to do is add 2-3 players to cover where we are short with injuries and we will be picking up results again.Braziliance said:
Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.We were never going to be high on the attacking numbers, but we don’t need to be. If we have a top half defence and an attack that is better than bottom 3, then we will stay up comfortably. And before our injuries we were fine on both of those
Norwich and Oxford both scored more than us.
The same thing happened last season, we had Jones, Ramsay and about 8 other players out injured. Completely lost our way of playing and barely got any points. All we needed was players back and then we ended up being better than we were before. Same again this season all we need is the players available to play our system and we will be fine. We’ve seen already our system works well enough for us to easily get enough points to stay up2 -
Agree that the injuries have hurt us, but even when at full strength our attack was hardly prolific.NabySarr said:
We did when we had a team playing our system with everyone in the right position. Once we get back to our proper system with proper wing backs we will start creating and scoring enough to win games, which is what we were doing before the injuriesCaptainRobbo said:
We haven't got an attack that is better than bottom 3.NabySarr said:
Even if we drop into the bottom 3 I think we will be fine. We’ve proven we can get results against any team when we’ve got a proper side out ourselves. All we need to do is add 2-3 players to cover where we are short with injuries and we will be picking up results again.Braziliance said:
Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.We were never going to be high on the attacking numbers, but we don’t need to be. If we have a top half defence and an attack that is better than bottom 3, then we will stay up comfortably. And before our injuries we were fine on both of those
Norwich and Oxford both scored more than us.
The same thing happened last season, we had Jones, Ramsay and about 8 other players out injured. Completely lost our way of playing and barely got any points. All we needed was players back and then we ended up being better than we were before. Same again this season all we need is the players available to play our system and we will be fine. We’ve seen already our system works well enough for us to easily get enough points to stay up
We aren't set up to give any strike force more than scraps to feed on.
Since Carey's form has dropped off, we barely have any attacking threat.1 -
It never will be. But when we had a proper team we often created more chances than we conceded, even if that was barely any. Which is what was winning us points and had us high up the league. As long as we get back to that then we will be fineCaptainRobbo said:
Agree that the injuries have hurt us, but even when at full strength our attack was hardly prolific.NabySarr said:
We did when we had a team playing our system with everyone in the right position. Once we get back to our proper system with proper wing backs we will start creating and scoring enough to win games, which is what we were doing before the injuriesCaptainRobbo said:
We haven't got an attack that is better than bottom 3.NabySarr said:
Even if we drop into the bottom 3 I think we will be fine. We’ve proven we can get results against any team when we’ve got a proper side out ourselves. All we need to do is add 2-3 players to cover where we are short with injuries and we will be picking up results again.Braziliance said:
Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.We were never going to be high on the attacking numbers, but we don’t need to be. If we have a top half defence and an attack that is better than bottom 3, then we will stay up comfortably. And before our injuries we were fine on both of those
Norwich and Oxford both scored more than us.
The same thing happened last season, we had Jones, Ramsay and about 8 other players out injured. Completely lost our way of playing and barely got any points. All we needed was players back and then we ended up being better than we were before. Same again this season all we need is the players available to play our system and we will be fine. We’ve seen already our system works well enough for us to easily get enough points to stay up
We aren't set up to give any strike force more than scraps to feed on0 -
So about that Charlie Kelman…5
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No club in world football can really on having a functioning 11 game after game and our problem is that almost immediately we lose one of our main 11, or more particularly just one of our first choice back 6, the downturn is generally very palpableNabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
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Of course. That’s why in January we need to sign a couple of defenders. If we’d signed a couple more in the summer then we’d be comfortably mid-tablepaulsturgess said:
No club in world football can really on having a functioning 11 game after game and our problem is that almost immediately we lose one of our main 11, or more particularly just one of our first choice back 6, the downturn is generally very palpableNabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.1 -
You need to have some kind of threat. Thankfully even if we lose the next 3 games, which could well happen, we have given ourselves enough of a foothold that the situation would be retrievable with further work in JanuaryCaptainRobbo said:
Agree that the injuries have hurt us, but even when at full strength our attack was hardly prolific.NabySarr said:
We did when we had a team playing our system with everyone in the right position. Once we get back to our proper system with proper wing backs we will start creating and scoring enough to win games, which is what we were doing before the injuriesCaptainRobbo said:
We haven't got an attack that is better than bottom 3.NabySarr said:
Even if we drop into the bottom 3 I think we will be fine. We’ve proven we can get results against any team when we’ve got a proper side out ourselves. All we need to do is add 2-3 players to cover where we are short with injuries and we will be picking up results again.Braziliance said:
Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.We were never going to be high on the attacking numbers, but we don’t need to be. If we have a top half defence and an attack that is better than bottom 3, then we will stay up comfortably. And before our injuries we were fine on both of those
Norwich and Oxford both scored more than us.
The same thing happened last season, we had Jones, Ramsay and about 8 other players out injured. Completely lost our way of playing and barely got any points. All we needed was players back and then we ended up being better than we were before. Same again this season all we need is the players available to play our system and we will be fine. We’ve seen already our system works well enough for us to easily get enough points to stay up
We aren't set up to give any strike force more than scraps to feed on.
Since Carey's form has dropped off, we barely have any attacking threat.
I really hope we can nick 3 or 4 points from the next 3 games to keep our heads above water0 -
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Are you new here?Callumcafc said:So about that Charlie Kelman…0 -
This has morphed into the transfer/relegation thread now.Gillis said:
Are you new here?Callumcafc said:So about that Charlie Kelman…
You may want to start a Kelman 2.0.0 -
Would start Kelman tomorrow , got be a better option than starting Tanto again. Just need to get him decent service which is of course the main problem.0
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Doesn’t look fit enough for a start to me. I’d probably leave him on the bench, maybe start TCMarcusH26 said:Would start Kelman tomorrow , got be a better option than starting Tanto again. Just need to get him decent service which is of course the main problem.
If Kelman isn’t fit enough to do what he does best and run his socks off for 65 minutes, then starting him just gives you the Kelman we had in August that wasn’t mobile enough2 -
I don't think it's comparable personally.NabySarr said:
We did when we had a team playing our system with everyone in the right position. Once we get back to our proper system with proper wing backs we will start creating and scoring enough to win games, which is what we were doing before the injuriesCaptainRobbo said:
We haven't got an attack that is better than bottom 3.NabySarr said:
Even if we drop into the bottom 3 I think we will be fine. We’ve proven we can get results against any team when we’ve got a proper side out ourselves. All we need to do is add 2-3 players to cover where we are short with injuries and we will be picking up results again.Braziliance said:
Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.We were never going to be high on the attacking numbers, but we don’t need to be. If we have a top half defence and an attack that is better than bottom 3, then we will stay up comfortably. And before our injuries we were fine on both of those
Norwich and Oxford both scored more than us.
The same thing happened last season, we had Jones, Ramsay and about 8 other players out injured. Completely lost our way of playing and barely got any points. All we needed was players back and then we ended up being better than we were before. Same again this season all we need is the players available to play our system and we will be fine. We’ve seen already our system works well enough for us to easily get enough points to stay up
Last February we had; Blackpool, Stevenage, Peterborough, Birmingham, Exeter.
This Feb we will have; QPR, Stoke, Southampton, West Brom and Wrexham.
Complete different levels of calibre of player and club, our XI won't look too much different either for some of those games, we still have the nucleus of our League 1 side.
Appreciate the optimism, but I don't think we are even remotely in the same boat as last season where we had a squad that should have been winning, compared to one of the worst squads in the league.0 -
Last season when the squad was healthy it got results, when there were injuries we struggled and people panicked
To start this season when the squad was healthy it got results, there have been injuries and people are panicking
I see no reason why, after getting 27 points from 22 already, we can’t go and get 28 points from 24, especially once the squad is back fit and/or we plug gaps in January.13 -
The expectation is also completely different though, I’m not saying we are going to get similar results to last season, just that we will get good enough results to stay up.Braziliance said:
I don't think it's comparable personally.NabySarr said:
We did when we had a team playing our system with everyone in the right position. Once we get back to our proper system with proper wing backs we will start creating and scoring enough to win games, which is what we were doing before the injuriesCaptainRobbo said:
We haven't got an attack that is better than bottom 3.NabySarr said:
Even if we drop into the bottom 3 I think we will be fine. We’ve proven we can get results against any team when we’ve got a proper side out ourselves. All we need to do is add 2-3 players to cover where we are short with injuries and we will be picking up results again.Braziliance said:
Still bad and gradually declining. I have been highlighting our poor stats and inevitable bad run for months.NabySarr said:
Where were we on all of those stats when we had a functioning starting eleven? We are easily good enough playing the way we do when we have the right players for the system. Fix that in January and with players returning from injury and we will be absolutely fineBraziliance said:
The way we are playing and have been playing has convinced me we are are going down with Wednesday and either Oxford or Pompey. Not sure what the confusion is to be fair mate.Off_it said:
"Will see us relegated"???Braziliance said:
Feel like this is excusing the recruitment. There is no way there wasn't players available for similar or slightly bigger fees than what we signed.NabySarr said:
He did thrive in a possession based side last season, that’s why I was confused why we signed him because he doesn’t really fit usBraziliance said:
Probably help if we could sign some midfielders who can pick a pass. He would probably thrive in a possession based side.Callumcafc said:
The finish was excellent and really well taken. I do think the Oxford CB let him roll far too easily - the ball travelled a fair distance (in elite level terms) between Kelman's first touch and his shot. Rowett would've been very disappointed in the defending.gringo said:
...and yet just a month or so ago he was shit and many said we had wasted our money on a half season wonder!.Elthamaddick said:He’s gone from ‘Mendonca like’ to ‘Harry Kane like’ in the space of a few posts🤣
let’s just say it was ‘Maradona like’ an be done with it!
The exciting thing is that that's there's been two occasions that I can truly remember Kelman getting space in the penalty area and both times he's scored. The trick is going to be figuring out how to get him that space against more accomplished opposition on a regular basis.
Our midfielders most of the time look terrified of the ball.
If we try and become a possession based side with one of the lowest budgets in the league we will end up 24th. We have to play a different way to compete
I don't expect us to be a budget Barca, but I do expect Charlton midfielders to be able to keep the ball and look comfortable with it enough to pick a pass. You don't need to spend tens of millions to achieve this.
Luckily we won't finish last for obvious reasons, but this playstyle will also see us relegated as we have key players injured and we don't score enough goals. A tweak is needed in the formation, and some players to go with it.
There simply has to be a better midfielder available than Greg Docherty as a prime example, for a relative fee. It's a travesty we went into this season with him as captain and expecting to start games when we must have known he couldn't cut it at this level.
We have a horrible run of games after tomorrow, and I can't see us picking up more than 6 points from it the next 8 or so after Pompey.
Our playstyle is terrible to watch, has been since Ipswich away. We have no player who can flip a game on it's head, and we aren’t defending anymore like we did for the first 8 games or so.
Just as I said last season, it's great when you are winning, but it's painful to watch when you are not.
What I expect from this team is desire, effort and relentlessness. We aren't really offering any of those currently. Teams are stronger, fitter, and have more skill than us.
We sit 22nd for goals scored, 21st for big chances created, 23rd for ball possession, 24th for accurate passes per game, 22nd for accurate long balls (when we are a long ball side), 20th for total shots per game, 21st for shots on target per game, 24th for succesful dribbles per game, 19th for tackles per game, 18th for interceptions per game, 24th for corners per game, 2nd for fouls per game, and so on.
The writing is on the wall. Tomorrow we will witness two of the worst footballing sides in the league go head to head, like we have witnessed for the last 3 games, and we pretty much have to win.
Defensively we were a top 4 side, that's what kept us up there, now that's starting to gradually fade as well.
We might not be absolutely fine as the damage may well already be done. We are 3 bad performances away from the relegation zone, you look at our run after Pompey, and we will probably be relying on other results to not let us sink in there.We were never going to be high on the attacking numbers, but we don’t need to be. If we have a top half defence and an attack that is better than bottom 3, then we will stay up comfortably. And before our injuries we were fine on both of those
Norwich and Oxford both scored more than us.
The same thing happened last season, we had Jones, Ramsay and about 8 other players out injured. Completely lost our way of playing and barely got any points. All we needed was players back and then we ended up being better than we were before. Same again this season all we need is the players available to play our system and we will be fine. We’ve seen already our system works well enough for us to easily get enough points to stay up
Last February we had; Blackpool, Stevenage, Peterborough, Birmingham, Exeter.
This Feb we will have; QPR, Stoke, Southampton, West Brom and Wrexham.
Complete different levels of calibre of player and club, our XI won't look too much different either for some of those games, we still have the nucleus of our League 1 side.
Appreciate the optimism, but I don't think we are even remotely in the same boat as last season where we had a squad that should have been winning, compared to one of the worst squads in the league.In 5 league 1 games we are expecting 10-12 points. In 5 championship games 7 points is a good return for us1 -
Nail on the head. We are also a way better team at home and get most of our points there, and have 13 home games left to play. Even 1.5 ppg at home (worse than we are currently) would take us to the brink of survival and that’s just the home gamesCallumcafc said:Last season when the squad was healthy it got results, when there were injuries we struggled and people panicked
To start this season when the squad was healthy it got results, there have been injuries and people are panicking
I see no reason why, after getting 27 points from 22 already, we can’t go and get 28 points from 24, especially once the squad is back fit and/or we plug gaps in January.2 -
Most agreed in the summer this season would be tough.
Every club near the bottom will go through poor runs where they concede too many and don’t create and score enough, and our style only makes things feel worse as we rely on being strong defensively. It’s a 46 game season, we can afford to have a few bad runs yet still stay up.
As Curbs would say don’t get too high with the highs and too low with the lows.
Those who were too positive assumed we could keep up our form and injuries wouldn’t be too much of a problem.
Being too negative assumes we won’t go on another good run, players won’t improve, tactics won’t evolve and new signings won’t strengthen us.
There’s a long way to go and I think we’ll find a way to grind out enough results to stay up.9 -
How dare you try to bring rational thinking to the conversation 🤔Scoham said:Most agreed in the summer this season would be tough.
Every club near the bottom will go through poor runs where they concede too many and don’t create and score enough, and our style only makes things feel worse as we rely on being strong defensively. It’s a 46 game season, we can afford to have a few bad runs yet still stay up.
As Curbs would say don’t get too high with the highs and too low with the lows.
Those who were too positive assumed we could keep up our form and injuries wouldn’t be too much of a problem.
Being too negative assumes we won’t go on another good run, players won’t improve, tactics won’t evolve and new signings won’t strengthen us.
There’s a long way to go and I think we’ll find a way to grind out enough results to stay up.4
