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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Crispywood said:Completely acceptable to question Jones over the last 2 performances, but completely unacceptable to think he deserves sacking after 2 poor games. The run from Wrexham-Middlesborough hard to blame him with the injuries and quality of opposition
Whilst I agree with you regards the sacking of Jones, I cannot agree with the quality of opposition part. We lost to Norwich and Portsmouth.
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ken_shabby said:Nice to land on a thread without some of the hysteria going on elsewhere on social media. Losing to a 98th minute winner after we seemed to have nicked a draw was a real sucker punch. It still hurts. But thank Christ some of the Charlton fans screaming for Jones to be sacked aren't in management situations with any business I enjoy. We cannot go back to the revolving door for managers we've had over the last decade. Almost nobody thought this season would be comfy. So get behind Jones and the team.
Generally speaking, modern day football fans have not got a clue.
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Superior, moi?ElfsborgAddick said:ken_shabby said:Nice to land on a thread without some of the hysteria going on elsewhere on social media. Losing to a 98th minute winner after we seemed to have nicked a draw was a real sucker punch. It still hurts. But thank Christ some of the Charlton fans screaming for Jones to be sacked aren't in management situations with any business I enjoy. We cannot go back to the revolving door for managers we've had over the last decade. Almost nobody thought this season would be comfy. So get behind Jones and the team.
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He clearly said the opponents from Wrexham to Middlesbrough when referencing quality of opposition.ElfsborgAddick said:Crispywood said:Completely acceptable to question Jones over the last 2 performances, but completely unacceptable to think he deserves sacking after 2 poor games. The run from Wrexham-Middlesborough hard to blame him with the injuries and quality of opposition
Whilst I agree with you regards the sacking of Jones, I cannot agree with the quality of opposition part. We lost to Norwich and Portsmouth.
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That post match interview and what he says is so lucid and the reason why there is no question as to why we should 100% be behind our manager, he is completely aware of what we need to improve upon and I’m sure he knows how to get it right given the help from above.7
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Looking forward to the next 100, I still think we have the right guy for us and he clearly loves the club.12
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I’ve listened to the post match interview and he’s not happy with the fans I done believe.I just wanted to say that we are (or at least I am) well aware of the values of the squads we go up against, how long they’ve been in the league and the fact we were league one last year. The concern is just how outplayed we have been lately - today being one of those matches and certainly important games like Norwich too. The worry is that we’d won once in 13 games and followed it by being destroyed in the first 30 today.Nathan - I firmly believe in you! I just wanted to clarify what the concerns are because I feel like he feels that we are being unfair.7
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Quite. I trust him to give us our best shot of getting out of it and there are enough matches left where we have a chance, to enable us to get enough points
but this run started against Southampton 2.5 months ago and the first half an hour today, 13 games later, was practically a re-run of that which just somehow by a borderline miracle didn't end up with us being 3 or 4 nil down again
And the concerning fact is we are level with those 2 teams in the lower half of the table... clearly that point is more nuanced than the table alone shows.... but we are really struggling and it doesn't get any easier with an in-form Derby and then Leicester away either side of next Saturday's trouncing
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Thought that he got it totally wrong with his starting midfield selection today but right with his HT changes, bar changing Anderson for Cov.
I couldn't understand the crowd getting on the backs of the players when we were 1-0 up.
Thought we handled the game reasonably well from that position and that should have been appreciated by the crowd, but wasn't.5 -
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NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.24
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Could see him get very frustrated when we stopped playing out short from the goal kicks as everyone was moaning and groaning, since we were under so much pressure. We did play very poorly, but also there were one or two moments of decent play/ideas that just didn’t come off and the people around me started moaning and groaning about it. Before the red card it was getting quite toxic.I don’t mind the manager and the fans having a difference of opinion and occasionally coming to loggerheads, it happened every so often under curbs and was probably a reason why he got a bit knackered and left.2
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I agree, i don't mind a diffetence of opinion either, but I reckon Jonesy can't handle it. He takes too long to get over it, he's too insecure, and that's a worry for me.Diebythesword said:Could see him get very frustrated when we stopped playing out short from the goal kicks as everyone was moaning and groaning, since we were under so much pressure. We did play very poorly, but also there were one or two moments of decent play/ideas that just didn’t come off and the people around me started moaning and groaning about it. Before the red card it was getting quite toxic.I don’t mind the manager and the fans having a difference of opinion and occasionally coming to loggerheads, it happened every so often under curbs and was probably a reason why he got a bit knackered and left.6 -
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers instead of taking risks going for another goal.14 -
It’s that age old adage of whether you’d rather lose playing nice football or win playing ugly football. In a league where we have Nathan Jones managing us with the second lowest wage budget in the league, we are always going to play ugly, try and stay in the game and see what we can do.In my opinion that is probably the best way to try and stay up.Football fans struggle to think contextually at times. Our squad is one of the weakest in the league. We have to find a different way to play if we want to stay up. Birmingham have come up with us, try to play nice football, and are only 3 points ahead of us having played one more, despite having a wage budget double ours.
Don’t get me wrong, we can be better but we are above where we probably should be. If we stay up and solidify this season we can hopefully boost the squad ahead of next and try and press on. If we were trying to outposessions and out play the teams in this league on current standing, I think we’d be further down the table then we are.11 -
Some older-looking guy was giving it his all during the game and directly to Jones. Also, I saw some teenagers pop down to talk to him and the coaching staff at HT, who all looked a bit surprised. I'm not sure what was said, but looking at their body language, it wasn't the most discreet.
Anybody hear it?0 -
I left 10 minutes early because I couldn’t bare the thought of seeing them equalise after gifting us the game and us not taking the second half to them! Countless times could we have really stretched them wide and we would just turn back and go inside! We could have really worn them down if we just played with a little bit more confidence but that is the key word right there…and we have none of it!3
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Jones needs to respect the fans more, we have given brilliant support this season but are entitled to express frustration when there seems to be too much negativity from the team in circumstances like today. The vast majority of fans felt we should have been more attacking in the second half to secure a two goal cushion, surely we weren’t all wrong Nathan?7
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Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.
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This comment seems ironic. The initialfollett said:It’s that age old adage of whether you’d rather lose playing nice football or win playing ugly football. In a league where we have Nathan Jones managing us with the second lowest wage budget in the league, we are always going to play ugly, try and stay in the game and see what we can do.In my opinion that is probably the best way to try and stay up.Football fans struggle to think contextually at times. Our squad is one of the weakest in the league. We have to find a different way to play if we want to stay up. Birmingham have come up with us, try to play nice football, and are only 3 points ahead of us having played one more, despite having a wage budget double ours.
Don’t get me wrong, we can be better but we are above where we probably should be. If we stay up and solidify this season we can hopefully boost the squad ahead of next and try and press on. If we were trying to outposessions and out play the teams in this league on current standing, I think we’d be further down the table then we are.
Point of your post is very fair; playing ugly and trying to stay in the game is fine - but “contextually”, that is not appropriate in today’s circumstance - 11 against 9!!Anyway, hopefully we see a vast improvement on Tuesday, another huge game, and hopefully with a rested Coventry back in the side.2 -
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I just felt the second half tactics showed more respect to Sheff Utd's 9 men than confidence in our 11 to outscore them.
I suspect the game plan was keep it tight at the back until we find ourselves 2-0 up - then all out attack. The second goal never came, so we won ugly.4 -
I more meant contextually in the season rather than today’s game. We’re 5 points off relegation with a game in hand. Above and around teams with much greater resources. Going down would be expected for us.paulsturgess said:
This comment seems ironic. The initialfollett said:It’s that age old adage of whether you’d rather lose playing nice football or win playing ugly football. In a league where we have Nathan Jones managing us with the second lowest wage budget in the league, we are always going to play ugly, try and stay in the game and see what we can do.In my opinion that is probably the best way to try and stay up.Football fans struggle to think contextually at times. Our squad is one of the weakest in the league. We have to find a different way to play if we want to stay up. Birmingham have come up with us, try to play nice football, and are only 3 points ahead of us having played one more, despite having a wage budget double ours.
Don’t get me wrong, we can be better but we are above where we probably should be. If we stay up and solidify this season we can hopefully boost the squad ahead of next and try and press on. If we were trying to outposessions and out play the teams in this league on current standing, I think we’d be further down the table then we are.
Point of your post is very fair; playing ugly and trying to stay in the game is fine - but “contextually”, that is not appropriate in today’s circumstance - 11 against 9!!Anyway, hopefully we see a vast improvement on Tuesday, another huge game, and hopefully with a rested Coventry back in the side.
I can understand fans frustrations with the lack of forward play today but generally within the season fans are unhappy. When exactly are fans happy anymore? Only seems to be the case if a team is massively over performing? And in some cases even that doesn’t seem to be enough, see Moyes at West Ham.0 -
If I've one irk about him, I really don't think Jones is capable of producing a potent attacking unit at any level. It's not in his nature.We hardly tore up any trees last season.
That said, what you do get from him is a workman like ethic that will always give their all regardless of technical frailties.
Problem is, I'm not so sure that will be enough to keep us up?
I knew it would be tough this year but I didn't think the gap in quality would be so vast..and I really don't think it should be. Going up from here to the prem maybe. But league one to champ?? I'm not having it.
There's no spark in this outfit. Nobody who can turn a game on its head. We have to start showing some intent and intelliegence in the attacking third if we are going to have a chance.6 -
agreed. We should have lost comprehensively today and the table would look terrifying if we had, particularly given our upcoming fixtures. Something badly needs to change/improve, like it did last winter, and hopefully Jones can find itcarly burn said:If I've one irk about him, I really don't think Jones is capable of producing a potent attacking unit at any level. It's not in his nature.We hardly tore up any trees last season.
That said, what you do get from him is a workman like ethic that will always give their all regardless of technical frailties.
Problem is, I'm not so sure that will be enough to keep us up?
I knew it would be tough this year but I didn't think the gap in quality would be so vast..and I really don't think it should be. Going up from here to the prem maybe. But league one to champ?? I'm not having it.
There's no spark in this outfit. Nobody who can turn a game on its head. We have to start showing some intent and intelliegence in the attacking third if we are going to have a chance.2 -
This. One ball into our box, a misplaced clearance and boom 1-1. We’ve seen it loads of times before. 2-0 would have killed the game dead.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.8 -
We learnt that lesson a few games ago at pompey, anything could happen.LargeAddick said:
This. One ball into our box, a misplaced clearance and boom 1-1. We’ve seen it loads of times before. 2-0 would have killed the game dead.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.2 -
Valleyfan2 said:Jones needs to respect the fans more, we have given brilliant support this season but are entitled to express frustration when there seems to be too much negativity from the team in circumstances like today. The vast majority of fans felt we should have been more attacking in the second half to secure a two goal cushion, surely we weren’t all wrong Nathan?
Exactly this. Forget how good the opposition are, when they are down to 9 you shouldn't be paying them the respect we did. It was Sheffield United not Man City.
He seemed more annoyed with his own fans than the two Sheffield United boys who did 2 of his players. Should have been fuming at that, not his own fans5 -
Few managers would've navigated such a tricky situation.Chunes said:
Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.3 -
We also managed to nick a point ourselves famously against Swindon with 9 men in the last minuteSword65pf said:
We learnt that lesson a few games ago at pompey, anything could happen.LargeAddick said:
This. One ball into our box, a misplaced clearance and boom 1-1. We’ve seen it loads of times before. 2-0 would have killed the game dead.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
it’s very simple maths
11 Vs 9 odds are stacked in your favour go and win 2-0 and put it out of question
we got the result though so I guess look forward now but dunno why Jones is so sensitive and weird bitching at the fans and going so defensive2 -
Yeah of course having nine men made a difference to their attacking prowess but they still had Bamford, Brooks, Hamer, Campbell on the pitch at various points… they’re all top level players at this level and the reality is that they can get at a back three that includes Macauley Gillesphey and a half fit Kayne Ramsay.Chunes said:
Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.As Jones mentioned in his post match, those players can hurt you “bang, bang, bang” if you over commit looking for another goal. We didn’t, and they didn’t.
I can only imagine the reaction if TC lost the ball in the final third and they break 3v3 and score because we’ve overcommitted because our fans are nervous.
We got the three points - I think that means, on this particular occasion, that Jones got it right.9
