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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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They came into the game better, stronger, hungrier and dirtier.
Jones set up for us to play attacking, but the players didn't bring their A-Game, we looked slow, lethargic and lacking bite, but the injury to Knibbs should have changed that, then the two red cards should have given us optimism.
It seemed it didn't change anything for Sheffield though, they kept professional and played smart defensively. We got our goal and then went into lockdown mode - Do NOT concede was clearly our driving factor. We played to counter and hope to hit them on the break, but otherwise it was lock that shit down.
We got the result, it was somewhat boring and that is probably the most disappointing factor, people believed we would go on and score 2-3 more goals and we all hoped that would be the case.
However we have been careless with our leads of late and have dropped points, so I think this was the most sensiible approach.
The fact Jones gets stick when he's in credit still, until we go down that is and even then we're on an even keel, is utter madness.
Being realistic for a moment, we got careless having a very strong first 11, but the injuries and gaps in our squad have led to carelessness and weakness in important areas. It takes a strong squad to grow in this league and not just a strong 11.
Give Jones time and see where we are next season before even questioning Jones' position as Manager.8 -
So we’ve been rubbish he changes it and he is wrong. Coventry has looked like he’s needed a rest for a while. It didn’t work and fortune turned the match. But I get his gripe people behind me saying this shocking attack get a cross in. It was more important we retained the ball and win the match3
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The only reason we got the three points today was because they had nine men.Callumcafc said:Chunes said:
Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.We got the three points - I think that means, on this particular occasion, that Jones got it right.
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Anyone else notice that Jones didn’t come out on the pitch / over to the Covered End after the whistle? We were wondering if he’d been sent off but sounds like he had the hump?1
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definitely the hump. Spent his post match interview repeatedly reiterating we were in danger of being relegated when he took over and now we’re in the championship and we’re against monsters etc.Weegie Addick said:Anyone else notice that Jones didn’t come out on the pitch / over to the Covered End after the whistle? We were wondering if he’d been sent off but sounds like he had the hump?
I get his point, but we were also very bad today. Need cov back in the centre.2 -
Playing against nine men is no guarantee of three points. We should know that more than most fanbases.Chunes said:
The only reason we got the three points today was because they had nine men.Callumcafc said:Chunes said:
Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.We got the three points - I think that means, on this particular occasion, that Jones got it right.
I rate that Jones understood the threat they still posed and felt it important to completely nullify them.
Another manager might’ve not done the same and we’d be talking about one point instead of three.4 -
The win was down to numbers, that's it. Anyone in the stadium would have noticed how little control NJ had over anything happening in that game. He was apoplectic for the whole thing. Nothing was going as he wanted.Callumcafc said:
Playing against nine men is no guarantee of three points. We should know that more than most fanbases.Chunes said:
The only reason we got the three points today was because they had nine men.Callumcafc said:Chunes said:
Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.We got the three points - I think that means, on this particular occasion, that Jones got it right.
I rate that Jones understood the threat they still posed and felt it important to completely nullify them.
Another manager might’ve not done the same and we’d be talking about one point instead of three.
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No disrespect to Jones but any manager would win a 11 v 9 playing an entire half and I’d actually reckon majority of them would do it far more comfortably than we did. We won purely today on Sheffields incompetence rather than anything we didCallumcafc said:
Playing against nine men is no guarantee of three points. We should know that more than most fanbases.Chunes said:
The only reason we got the three points today was because they had nine men.Callumcafc said:Chunes said:
Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.We got the three points - I think that means, on this particular occasion, that Jones got it right.
I rate that Jones understood the threat they still posed and felt it important to completely nullify them.
Another manager might’ve not done the same and we’d be talking about one point instead of three.3 -
Jones is always apoplectic on the touchlineChunes said:
The win was down to numbers, that's it. Anyone in the stadium would have noticed how little control NJ had over anything happening in that game. He was apoplectic for the whole thing. Nothing was going as he wanted.Callumcafc said:
Playing against nine men is no guarantee of three points. We should know that more than most fanbases.Chunes said:
The only reason we got the three points today was because they had nine men.Callumcafc said:Chunes said:
Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.We got the three points - I think that means, on this particular occasion, that Jones got it right.
I rate that Jones understood the threat they still posed and felt it important to completely nullify them.
Another manager might’ve not done the same and we’d be talking about one point instead of three.5 -
Curbs was around for 15 years.....NJ has been here for less than 2. You have to earn your stripes first.Diebythesword said:Could see him get very frustrated when we stopped playing out short from the goal kicks as everyone was moaning and groaning, since we were under so much pressure. We did play very poorly, but also there were one or two moments of decent play/ideas that just didn’t come off and the people around me started moaning and groaning about it. Before the red card it was getting quite toxic.I don’t mind the manager and the fans having a difference of opinion and occasionally coming to loggerheads, it happened every so often under curbs and was probably a reason why he got a bit knackered and left.0 -
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That’s your opinion and I disagree. It contributed but it wasn’t a foregone conclusion that we’d win at half time.Chunes said:
The win was down to numbers, that's it. Anyone in the stadium would have noticed how little control NJ had over anything happening in that game. He was apoplectic for the whole thing. Nothing was going as he wanted.Callumcafc said:
Playing against nine men is no guarantee of three points. We should know that more than most fanbases.Chunes said:
The only reason we got the three points today was because they had nine men.Callumcafc said:Chunes said:
Our tactics limited to them one effort? Or the fact they had nine men? Nobody can sit here and seriously suggest we tactically out-did them second half.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers inside of taking risks going for another goal.We got the three points - I think that means, on this particular occasion, that Jones got it right.
I rate that Jones understood the threat they still posed and felt it important to completely nullify them.
Another manager might’ve not done the same and we’d be talking about one point instead of three.2 -
Jones has a very fragile ego and lack of self awareness, he throws tantrums, end of.4
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This is his problem. He’s so objectively unlikeable that people forgive things less quickly . Of course he has a lot of credit in the bank for taking us up last season but in my view a lot of errors have been made this season, recruitment , selections, tactical rigidity . I’m not in any way calling for his sacking - we’ve had too many far worse managers of the years and I wouldn’t trust the board to get anyone better anyway .Weegie Addick said:Anyone else notice that Jones didn’t come out on the pitch / over to the Covered End after the whistle? We were wondering if he’d been sent off but sounds like he had the hump?7 -
Sorry, it wasn’t a game for the big fist pumps at the end, so was totally in his gift to get into the dressing rooms and see the playerswmcf123 said:
This is his problem. He’s so objectively unlikeable that people forgive things less quickly . Of course he has a lot of credit in the bank for taking us up last season but in my view a lot of errors have been made this season, recruitment , selections, tactical rigidity . I’m not in any way calling for his sacking - we’ve had too many far worse managers of the years and I wouldn’t trust the board to get anyone better anyway .Weegie Addick said:Anyone else notice that Jones didn’t come out on the pitch / over to the Covered End after the whistle? We were wondering if he’d been sent off but sounds like he had the hump?3 -
Don’t need to like him (I do) he just needs to make sure we keep improving every season. Which so far he has. I wouldn’t want another manager than him atm8
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But you’re referring to fans comments made in the context of a single match and then applying them to the entire season. That’s not how context works.follett said:
I more meant contextually in the season rather than today’s game. We’re 5 points off relegation with a game in hand. Above and around teams with much greater resources. Going down would be expected for us.paulsturgess said:
This comment seems ironic. The initialfollett said:It’s that age old adage of whether you’d rather lose playing nice football or win playing ugly football. In a league where we have Nathan Jones managing us with the second lowest wage budget in the league, we are always going to play ugly, try and stay in the game and see what we can do.In my opinion that is probably the best way to try and stay up.Football fans struggle to think contextually at times. Our squad is one of the weakest in the league. We have to find a different way to play if we want to stay up. Birmingham have come up with us, try to play nice football, and are only 3 points ahead of us having played one more, despite having a wage budget double ours.
Don’t get me wrong, we can be better but we are above where we probably should be. If we stay up and solidify this season we can hopefully boost the squad ahead of next and try and press on. If we were trying to outposessions and out play the teams in this league on current standing, I think we’d be further down the table then we are.
Point of your post is very fair; playing ugly and trying to stay in the game is fine - but “contextually”, that is not appropriate in today’s circumstance - 11 against 9!!Anyway, hopefully we see a vast improvement on Tuesday, another huge game, and hopefully with a rested Coventry back in the side.
I can understand fans frustrations with the lack of forward play today but generally within the season fans are unhappy. When exactly are fans happy anymore? Only seems to be the case if a team is massively over performing? And in some cases even that doesn’t seem to be enough, see Moyes at West Ham.
i think the majority of fans are absolutely fine with our league position and number of points and would have taken that at the start of the season for sure. However, I’m not happy with yesterday’s performance.(For what it’s worth I also didn’t expect us to go down and think we should have enough and have invested enough to not go down - my expectation is to just about stay out of trouble).2 -
He is a bit too sensitive too criticism. All will be forgiven if he leads us to a win next weekend2
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BigRedEvil said:He is a bit too sensitive too criticism. All will be forgiven IF he leads us to a win next weekend0
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Jones quite clearly cannot take any form of criticism, and he can't always respond with 'look at where we were when i took over'. Yes we all know that and yes we're well aware of the turnaround, but that doesn't mean fans who pay their money aren't entitled to an opinion because our performances haven't been good for a long time and yesterday was awful.
All he really had to do was say something like 'the first 45 minutes were awful, we were fortunate with them going to down to 9 men, so we changed things up and got the goal, and yes we could've pushed more for a second goal but we wanted to try and hold the lead. I know it wasn't great but any win in this league is a good win but me and the players all know we need to be better on Tuesday.'
I think most fans would respect that and say 'ok fair enough' but there's absolutely no need for him to go into a strop and call out the fans. Especially when he isn't an idiot and he must obviously know himself that the performance was piss poor.9 -
I don’t think what you said contradicts my comment .Rothko said:
Sorry, it wasn’t a game for the big fist pumps at the end, so was totally in his gift to get into the dressing rooms and see the playerswmcf123 said:
This is his problem. He’s so objectively unlikeable that people forgive things less quickly . Of course he has a lot of credit in the bank for taking us up last season but in my view a lot of errors have been made this season, recruitment , selections, tactical rigidity . I’m not in any way calling for his sacking - we’ve had too many far worse managers of the years and I wouldn’t trust the board to get anyone better anyway .Weegie Addick said:Anyone else notice that Jones didn’t come out on the pitch / over to the Covered End after the whistle? We were wondering if he’d been sent off but sounds like he had the hump?0 -
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The only reason we are in the championship is because Nathan Jones has got us here. Nathan Jones has got a League One squad outperforming and 18th in the Championship having beaten some big clubs this season.
We've been beset by significant and numerous injuries and don't have the depth of quality of other squads in this big boys league.
We're a minnow in this league this season after dwelling in League one for a decade. Has the recruitment been the best? No in retrospect probably not, but that's because we're competing with 23 clubs the vast majority of whom are more established, currently bigger or with far bigger budgets.
His style of play is pragmatic and has got us enough points that we're not rock bottom as predicted by the bookies and many pundits before a ball was kicked.
After years in League one and being a bigger club with bigger budget failing year after year with a succession of managers we finally get a passionate bloke who has got a massive pair of bollocks and knows his own mind who has elevated the club from a depressing also ran failure each season to a club now competing to avoid relegation with a few clubs currently below us in the Championship.
Bar Southampton and the sillyness in last minute at Portsmouth we've not been humiliated or embarrassed.
I really think the fanbase needs to adjust expectations if people expect us to be playing good quality of football with the calibre of players we have who are all generally playing out of their skin week in week out and competing against a far better calibre of player generally.
If Jones were to go I dread to think which joker we'd have next and where it would end. Echoes of calls for Curbs to go in the Premier League is what I think when I hear questions over Jones tenure in respect of complete loss of perspective.
We need to get behind him and the players and pray he doesn't walk out on us is my view as that would be catastrophic in terms of our survival in this league, certainly this year.
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Injuries haven’t been that bad , really . Godden , yes - largely of our own making because he played with it last season, which of course meant we went up but we can’t complain about the injury. Bell and Burke , we knew were going to happen and Ramsay has a history of injuries . Edwards had an impact injury and Kelman had no pre season. Otherwise , most players have been available most weeks . I agree , we lack quality, especially in midfield , which begs the question, why did we buy a winger in a winger free system and why did we waste money on Tanto rather than a quality midfielder .RodneyCharltonTrotta said:The only reason we are in the championship is because Nathan Jones has got us here. Nathan Jones has got a League One squad outperforming and 18th in the Championship having beaten some big clubs this season.
We've been beset by significant and numerous injuries and don't have the depth of quality of other squads in this big boys league.
We're a minnow in this league this season after dwelling in League one for a decade. Has the recruitment been the best? No in retrospect probably not, but that's because we're competing with 23 clubs the vast majority of whom are more established, currently bigger or with far bigger budgets.
His style of play is pragmatic and has got us enough points that we're not rock bottom as predicted by the bookies and many pundits before a ball was kicked.
After years in League one and being a bigger club with bigger budget failing year after year with a succession of managers we finally get a passionate bloke who has got a massive pair of bollocks and knows his own mind who has elevated the club from a depressing also ran failure each season to a club now competing to avoid relegation with a few clubs currently below us in the Championship.
Bar Southampton and the sillyness in last minute at Portsmouth we've not been humiliated or embarrassed.
I really think the fanbase needs to adjust expectations if people expect us to be playing good quality of football with the calibre of players we have who are all generally playing out of their skin week in week out and competing against a far better calibre of player generally.
If Jones were to go I dread to think which joker we'd have next and where it would end. Echoes of calls for Curbs to go in the Premier League is what I think when I hear questions over Jones tenure in respect of complete loss of perspective.
We need to get behind him and the players and pray he doesn't walk out on us is my view as that would be catastrophic in terms of our survival in this league, certainly this year.1 -
With Millwall next week, so there is a lot of frustration in the air.In his post match he said we controlled the game and the stats back that up. He also stated correctly we are on level points with Sheffield United as well tbf.If that game was next week we'll be overjoyed and won't be annoyed about how the team played, but:The LWB position is still an issue (with TC getting booked and Bree is gone now), the chances we let them have (they are scored next week), and are Derby and Millwall going to let us 'control the game'.
Yesterday was a bitter pillow to swallow, but that is what you have by having a manager like Nathan Jones.0 -
It won't show up on the stats as an effort on goal, but they did break fairly late on into a dangerous position, and a better final ball would have found 2 open men in the box. Fortunately the ball across the box was straight at Kaminski.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers instead of taking risks going for another goal.2 -
The mission this season is to stay up. As long as Jones achieves that he’s more than done his job.Expectations will probably then be a bit higher and he’ll have to find a way of dealing with them which will have to involve developing the side as more of an attacking force.That will be almost as big a challenge as staying up this year.1
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Didn’t that come from one of our corners, or at least one of our own attacking free kicks? That’s an example of them turning it over and breaking quickly that Jones was desperate to avoid.Croydon said:
It won't show up on the stats as an effort on goal, but they did break fairly late on into a dangerous position, and a better final ball would have found 2 open men in the box. Fortunately the ball across the box was straight at Kaminski.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers instead of taking risks going for another goal.0 -
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As per above, since 2007 relegation, only two campaigns at Championship level with better records than the current season.
07/08 40pts 5th -> 64pts 11th
12/13 33pts 15th -> 65pts 9th
25/26 32pts 18th
14/15 31pts 16th -> 60pts 12th1 -
Really don’t get people having a go at NJ on here he is not perfect no doubt has an ego but no one can deny that the club is in a significantly better place than it was before his arrival
Not pretty or entertaining yesterday but three vital points irrespective of the circumstances would not have got more in it was a free flowing display beating 11 players0 -
Yeah was certainly from a cheap turnover from a fairly decent position for usCallumcafc said:
Didn’t that come from one of our corners, or at least one of our own attacking free kicks? That’s an example of them turning it over and breaking quickly that Jones was desperate to avoid.Croydon said:
It won't show up on the stats as an effort on goal, but they did break fairly late on into a dangerous position, and a better final ball would have found 2 open men in the box. Fortunately the ball across the box was straight at Kaminski.Callumcafc said:
Our tactics / approach meant they were limited to one effort from a free kick thirty yards from goal in the entire second half.Chunes said:NJ thinks we wanted a second goal because they had nine men and we should score loads, whereas every fan could tell him that they were worried about a late equaliser coming otherwise.
Despite everyone’s nerves, Jones got the result we needed by deciding to focus on limiting turnovers instead of taking risks going for another goal.0
