Our support may make the difference on whether or not we stay up

se9addick · January 19

Michaelmon said:

se9addick said:
Quite. Let’s be honest, we won on Saturday because the opposition had two players sent off. The atmosphere (or lack thereof) had no real bearing on the outcome of the match.

It’s a lovely idea that we, as fans, can significantly influence the outcome of the match positively. Of course we want our team to win so badly that and we want to feel like we have a role to play in making it happen. But I’m surprised anyone over the age of 15 really thinks it’s true.

It really surprises me how many people think this.

The crowd without a doubt can have an influence on the players and therefore the outcome of the match to some degree. That doesn’t mean if I played alone vs Real Madrid that I’d win if my fans were louder though…

Confidence is a huge thing in sport. Yes, they’re elite sportsmen who should be supremely confident in themselves at all times on the pitch but we just know this isn’t the case. Unfortunately they are humans and things going on around them / being screamed at them will be impacting them whether that’s consciously or subconsciously for good or for bad.

I think that fans can create a negative atmosphere which has a limiting impact on players. But winning more games because we cheered louder or sang Valley Floyd Road a couple more times? That’s up there with believing in the tooth fairy.

fenaddick · January 19

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

Interestingly I’d have the opposite view. I struggle to get down to matches for a myriad of complicated reasons and that’s made my connection and feeling much much more intense. I can’t chat to the person next to me or someone in the pub after to get frustrations off my chest.

This weekends match has actually been different but I think in general this season the reaction from those in stadium has been more negative than those at home

oohaahmortimer · January 19

Sheffield Utd were supported sooooo much better than us on Saturday , same with Wednesday when they came down , thanks for the 3 points to both.

I love my kids unconditionally but hate the way they behave sometimes and I'll tell them they are cnuts ,same with our football club

oohaahmortimer · January 19

and St Andrews May 1987 .... 18k of loud and proud filthy yorkshire men sent packing by the 1500 sarf london pussios

ForeverAddickted · January 19

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

I'm probably one of the exceptions as am someone who tries to be more positive about things than most, and I rely solely on the Streams now. But from my point of view, compared to when I spent 20-years as a Season Ticket Holder, is it should be easier in some regard to be more "positive" when watching online, rather than at the game.

I mean you get a more universal view of proceedings, and from the second row in the East Stand, there would be moments that I'd question when at the Valley, because I wouldn't have the best viewpoint, compared to being able to see it from the various Camera angles that I get on the stream... The one downside of that, is you don't necessarily see the movement for a player, or the manager reactions etc. if the Camera isn't on them at the time.

fenaddick · January 19

I do think the Sheffiled United fans helped their players dig in quite so much. When your back is against the wall I think fans can make a difference

Bailey · January 19

fenaddick said:

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

Interestingly I’d have the opposite view. I struggle to get down to matches for a myriad of complicated reasons and that’s made my connection and feeling much much more intense. I can’t chat to the person next to me or someone in the pub after to get frustrations off my chest.

This weekends match has actually been different but I think in general this season the reaction from those in stadium has been more negative than those at home

And oohaa, your posts are generally balanced. I met up with a mate on Saturday who hasn't attended for a good few weeks because of work, he has his say about the club and it's players but once again it's balanced, we have one poster blaming the pyrotechnics for broken toilets, another declaring that the club won't spend no money in this window, based on no evidence whatsoever. I get it that you or AFKA have a different experience on a personal level but when I see posters who constantly put this club down from afar then I want to tell them that if we had 26000 through the gate, the toilets wouldn't be a problem and we'd be lording it round the transfer window.

Michaelmon · January 19

se9addick said:
I think that fans can create a negative atmosphere which has a limiting impact on players. But winning more games because we cheered louder or sang Valley Floyd Road a couple more times? That’s up there with believing in the tooth fairy.

Well that logic makes absolutely no sense.

You accept a negative atmosphere can have a negative impact on the players but a positive atmosphere having a positive impact is so completely insane to you that you belittle people that believe that? Surely, just by the fact that a positive atmosphere would mean the lack of a negative one would suggest that it is beneficial and could positively impact players and therefore games?

I know you (and others) are being facetious and this doesn't really need to be said but... nobody believes one round of VFR is suddenly going to turn our players into world beaters or that having the loudest fans in the world will suddenly make us the best team in the world... However, if a positive atmosphere is created by singing more songs or more loudly then yes it could make a difference even by your own logic.

JustFloydRoad · January 19

oohaahmortimer said:

Sheffield Utd were supported sooooo much better than us on Saturday , same with Wednesday when they came down , thanks for the 3 points to both.

I love my kids unconditionally but hate the way they behave sometimes and I'll tell them they are cnuts ,same with our football club

fenaddick said:

I do think the Sheffiled United fans helped their players dig in quite so much. When your back is against the wall I think fans can make a difference

Again when your away from home it is different in all fairness. They were slagging their players off when we went Bramall Lane (Did their Welcome home Wilder tifo then was frustrated throughout the game).

redman · January 19

Michaelmon said:

se9addick said:
Quite. Let’s be honest, we won on Saturday because the opposition had two players sent off. The atmosphere (or lack thereof) had no real bearing on the outcome of the match.

It’s a lovely idea that we, as fans, can significantly influence the outcome of the match positively. Of course we want our team to win so badly that and we want to feel like we have a role to play in making it happen. But I’m surprised anyone over the age of 15 really thinks it’s true.

It really surprises me how many people think this.

The crowd without a doubt can have an influence on the players and therefore the outcome of the match to some degree. That doesn’t mean if I played alone vs Real Madrid that I’d win if my fans were louder though…

Confidence is a huge thing in sport. Yes, they’re elite sportsmen who should be supremely confident in themselves at all times on the pitch but we just know this isn’t the case. Unfortunately they are humans and things going on around them / being screamed at them will be impacting them whether that’s consciously or subconsciously for good or for bad.

Confidence is massive in sport and often the difference between winning and losing. It's true in a lot of jobs (certainly made me do mine better).
Confidence can mean pulling victories from nowhere and hanging onto leads. Having played a lot of competitive sport over the years, I am 100% certain this to be true. Obviously we only a minor factor in building a players and teams confidence. But we are a factor. Whether we stay up or go down could be decided by a couple of points. Maybe even one goal! I for one will be trying to get behind the team and show confidence.

fenlandaddick · January 19

JustFloydRoad said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Sheffield Utd were supported sooooo much better than us on Saturday , same with Wednesday when they came down , thanks for the 3 points to both.

I love my kids unconditionally but hate the way they behave sometimes and I'll tell them they are cnuts ,same with our football club

fenaddick said:

I do think the Sheffiled United fans helped their players dig in quite so much. When your back is against the wall I think fans can make a difference

Again when your away from home it is different in all fairness. They were slagging their players off when we went Bramall Lane (Did their Welcome home Wilder tifo then was frustrated throughout the game).

That worked in our favor imo.

It was a very quiet home crowd at United apart from first 5 mins it so. Very odd

ElfsborgAddick · January 19

Bailey said:

fenaddick said:

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

Interestingly I’d have the opposite view. I struggle to get down to matches for a myriad of complicated reasons and that’s made my connection and feeling much much more intense. I can’t chat to the person next to me or someone in the pub after to get frustrations off my chest.

This weekends match has actually been different but I think in general this season the reaction from those in stadium has been more negative than those at home

And oohaa, your posts are generally balanced. I met up with a mate on Saturday who hasn't attended for a good few weeks because of work, he has his say about the club and it's players but once again it's balanced, we have one poster blaming the pyrotechnics for broken toilets, another declaring that the club won't spend no money in this window, based on no evidence whatsoever. I get it that you or AFKA have a different experience on a personal level but when I see posters who constantly put this club down from afar then I want to tell them that if we had 26000 through the gate, the toilets wouldn't be a problem and we'd be lording it round the transfer window.

Surely 20k gates generate enough money to get the toilets in order?

AFKABartram · January 19

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

Of course it’s your right to reply mate, that’s the whole premise of a forum, and I enjoy discussing different views with people like yourself that can do amicably.

But for every one you highlight above, there’s a @Callumcafc or @ForeverAddickted , the two most prolific posters on here, who neither go games and are restricted to stream viewing. You could hardly accuse them of continually putting down the club, could you?

I just can’t get my head around how anyone thinks the problem at the moment is the fans, either those attending or those posting on here.

fenaddick · January 19

ElfsborgAddick said:

Bailey said:

fenaddick said:

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

Interestingly I’d have the opposite view. I struggle to get down to matches for a myriad of complicated reasons and that’s made my connection and feeling much much more intense. I can’t chat to the person next to me or someone in the pub after to get frustrations off my chest.

This weekends match has actually been different but I think in general this season the reaction from those in stadium has been more negative than those at home

And oohaa, your posts are generally balanced. I met up with a mate on Saturday who hasn't attended for a good few weeks because of work, he has his say about the club and it's players but once again it's balanced, we have one poster blaming the pyrotechnics for broken toilets, another declaring that the club won't spend no money in this window, based on no evidence whatsoever. I get it that you or AFKA have a different experience on a personal level but when I see posters who constantly put this club down from afar then I want to tell them that if we had 26000 through the gate, the toilets wouldn't be a problem and we'd be lording it round the transfer window.

Surely 20k gates generate enough money to get the toilets in order?

Gate receipts have nothing to do with it, the money we bring in through ticket sales is a drop in the water compared to TV etc. The problem is a structural one

Arthur_Trudgill · January 19

The fact that sports psychologists are used by elite athletes,

That the players prefer to attack the CE in the second half, when more tired and needing an uplift,

And that one of the four corners of the FA's player development model is Social/Psychological...

... surely says the mental state and wellbeing of players has a material impact on their performance.

I imagine abuse and vitriol is particularly damaging.

ElfsborgAddick · January 19

fenaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Bailey said:

fenaddick said:

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

Interestingly I’d have the opposite view. I struggle to get down to matches for a myriad of complicated reasons and that’s made my connection and feeling much much more intense. I can’t chat to the person next to me or someone in the pub after to get frustrations off my chest.

This weekends match has actually been different but I think in general this season the reaction from those in stadium has been more negative than those at home

And oohaa, your posts are generally balanced. I met up with a mate on Saturday who hasn't attended for a good few weeks because of work, he has his say about the club and it's players but once again it's balanced, we have one poster blaming the pyrotechnics for broken toilets, another declaring that the club won't spend no money in this window, based on no evidence whatsoever. I get it that you or AFKA have a different experience on a personal level but when I see posters who constantly put this club down from afar then I want to tell them that if we had 26000 through the gate, the toilets wouldn't be a problem and we'd be lording it round the transfer window.

Surely 20k gates generate enough money to get the toilets in order?

Gate receipts have nothing to do with it, the money we bring in through ticket sales is a drop in the water compared to TV etc. The problem is a structural one

My point was that 20k or a full house we can afford to get the toilets fixed. That has to be a basic requirement for fans paying very good money to support the club.

fenaddick · January 19

ElfsborgAddick said:

fenaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Bailey said:

fenaddick said:

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

Interestingly I’d have the opposite view. I struggle to get down to matches for a myriad of complicated reasons and that’s made my connection and feeling much much more intense. I can’t chat to the person next to me or someone in the pub after to get frustrations off my chest.

This weekends match has actually been different but I think in general this season the reaction from those in stadium has been more negative than those at home

And oohaa, your posts are generally balanced. I met up with a mate on Saturday who hasn't attended for a good few weeks because of work, he has his say about the club and it's players but once again it's balanced, we have one poster blaming the pyrotechnics for broken toilets, another declaring that the club won't spend no money in this window, based on no evidence whatsoever. I get it that you or AFKA have a different experience on a personal level but when I see posters who constantly put this club down from afar then I want to tell them that if we had 26000 through the gate, the toilets wouldn't be a problem and we'd be lording it round the transfer window.

Surely 20k gates generate enough money to get the toilets in order?

Gate receipts have nothing to do with it, the money we bring in through ticket sales is a drop in the water compared to TV etc. The problem is a structural one

My point was that 20k or a full house we can afford to get the toilets fixed. That has to be a basic requirement for fans paying very good money to support the club.

Of course, those things should be fixed even if we had 1k in the ground

ElfsborgAddick · January 19

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans that yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here ands every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t thot was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

I think it's right to reply AFKA, I have noticed a tendency on here for certain, not all admittedly, posters, who continue to put this club down and see this club as a verbal punchbag. When you find out that these people's only contact with the club is via the stream then it doesn't seem 'balanced', is probably the best way I can put it. I understand that people have a thousand reasons why they can’t attend, illness, distance, financial being just a few of those reasons. I think there is a tendency to be detached from the club and that makes it easier to level criticism, well quite simply I love Charlton, and I love all the aspects about the club, it has lots of problems and some things are certainly worth addressing and fixing. I find myself constantly defending the club, maybe its because of recent history, but we are in the Championship, we have 32 points and as Norman Barker stated, 'if you get a chance come down you might actually enjoy it.

Of course it’s your right to reply mate, that’s the whole premise of a forum, and I enjoy discussing different views with people like yourself that can do amicably.

But for every one you highlight above, there’s a @Callumcafc or @ForeverAddickted , the two most prolific posters on here, who neither go games and are restricted to stream viewing. You could hardly accuse them of continually putting down the club, could you?

I just can’t get my head around how anyone thinks the problem at the moment is the fans, either those attending or those posting on here.

Absolutely, with some posters it could be said that they have the view that fans that do not attend the games have no right to pass comment, be it good or bad.

I am posting this without being offended in that I only attend around three games a season now that I am 5000 miles away(you lucky people).

DOUCHER · January 19

Michaelmon said:

se9addick said:
Quite. Let’s be honest, we won on Saturday because the opposition had two players sent off. The atmosphere (or lack thereof) had no real bearing on the outcome of the match.

It’s a lovely idea that we, as fans, can significantly influence the outcome of the match positively. Of course we want our team to win so badly that and we want to feel like we have a role to play in making it happen. But I’m surprised anyone over the age of 15 really thinks it’s true.

It really surprises me how many people think this.

The crowd without a doubt can have an influence on the players and therefore the outcome of the match to some degree. That doesn’t mean if I played alone vs Real Madrid that I’d win if my fans were louder though…

Confidence is a huge thing in sport. Yes, they’re elite sportsmen who should be supremely confident in themselves at all times on the pitch but we just know this isn’t the case. Unfortunately they are humans and things going on around them / being screamed at them will be impacting them whether that’s consciously or subconsciously for good or for bad.

'Big' players want to play in big stadiums with big crowds in big atmospheres - to say the crowd has no affect is nonsense - jumping from u21 football to 1st team isn't a massive jump just because of the level / experience of the players, its about being able to handle playing in front of a crowd. Players talk about it making a difference, manager's are always trying to encourage the crowd's support - they're not all making it up or saying it for no reason. Of course its not the defining factor but nobody's telling me that if i scored a hat trick and came off with the whole ground giving me a standing ovation and singing my name, it would have no impact.

DOUCHER · January 19

Shrewsbury are in for u and so are newcastle - both offering the same - think i'll go to Shrewsbury, last thing i need is fifty thousand Geordies chanting my name every other week and telling me i'm a god whenever i bump into them - not what i got into football for - no, just give me the money. Anybody who doesn't think the crowd has an impact (not necessarily the defining one) is not a people person or is just typing it as a wind up

Covered End · January 19

No one will convince me that supporters make NO difference to the overall outcome.

Yes of course a team can be successful with minimal support over a certain period and yes of course a team can win A game against a better supported club.

Wimbledon's success didn't last, in fact they arguably no longer exist.

Millwall have been punching above their weight since forever due mainly to their "partisan" home fans.

If the Valley crowd CONTINUE to back the team I think it MAY/WILL make a difference, even if it is worth 2 or 3 points over 3 months.

We will most likely survive or be relegated by a few points.

If I'm wrong and the crowd being supportive makes no difference, then I wonder what is preferable?

The fans CONTINUE to get behind the team as best they can or the crowd start to turn and get on the players back?

Get behind the team for the whole game or boo, barrack and criticise the team as soon as they walk onto the pitch?

NB I emphasise I'm not trying to be critical or devisive and I'm not suggesting WE are being negative.

I'm simply saying let's CONTINUE TO stick together and back the team in these difficult times and it MIGHT be the little push needed to prevent us dropping back into L1.

Burton Albion anyone?

shirty5 · January 19

Sheffield United's stupidity and the ref being on the money turned the end of the first half into a different scenario after what was happening after 30 minutes. If we were a goal down or more at halftime you would have heard the crowd vent. You could sense it around you being in the ground.

If we start off like that again in the next few games and we have failed to go on a decent run, then don't be shocked or surprised if that happens, cause the style of football is not great to watch but if we are winning then no one gives a toss.

paulsturgess · January 19

AFKABartram said:

Bailey said:

boggzy said:

Despite our bad run, I think the support is still decent and not turning toxic (yet) because most of this group of players do actually look like they give a shit (unlike countless others over recent decades) no matter how crap the football/results

The only fans who have turned are on here and they can’t attend as they too busy writing up how shit we are, at least Statler and Waldorf attended the theatre.

Nothing personal, but there’s been some nonsense spoken since Saturday but that is right up there.

I spoke to about 8 different fans yesterday that were there or watched the stream, none of them post on here and every opening comment was a variation of the same: what a load of sh*t that was.

It was possible to be supportive yet also critical in analysis.

100% this

any criticism, negative view or even just concern always seems to be taken as unjust abuse or protest against board/management / players

good teams, managers and owners still warrant positive criticism sometimes... alex ferguson was renowned for delivering a furious hairdryer at some of the best teams in english football history... giving somebody some stick or criticism is completely worthy and sometimes a positive thing

they deserved to be booed off at half time on Saturday cos it was bloody appalling (keeper aside) but our fans were still singing for them second half

paulsturgess · January 19

Covered End said:

No one will convince me that supporters make NO difference to the overall outcome.

Yes of course a team can be successful with minimal support over a certain period and yes of course a team can win A game against a better supported club.

Wimbledon's success didn't last, in fact they arguably no longer exist.

Millwall have been punching above their weight since forever due mainly to their "partisan" home fans.

If the Valley crowd CONTINUE to back the team I think it MAY/WILL make a difference, even if it is worth 2 or 3 points over 3 months.

We will most likely survive or be relegated by a few points.

If I'm wrong and the crowd being supportive makes no difference, then I wonder what is preferable?

The fans CONTINUE to get behind the team as best they can or the crowd start to turn and get on the players back?

Get behind the team for the whole game or boo, barrack and criticise the team as soon as they walk onto the pitch?

NB I emphasise I'm not trying to be critical or devisive and I'm not suggesting WE are being negative.

I'm simply saying let's CONTINUE TO stick together and back the team in these difficult times and it MIGHT be the little push needed to prevent us dropping back into L1.

Burton Albion anyone?

pretty sure that the impact of home advantage was shown in results to be less during covid when stadiums were empty. I have a mate who trades on football and he/bookmakers reduced the advantage given to home teams when setting their odds by a modest extent (home advantage still existed)

the difference is very slim and can be irrelevant but as you say I think it's possible that it can make a difference especially late in games or late in season even if it's just one game all season when a knackered player finds an extra 5% to get to a ball first that wins us just one point

motivation is a real thing and people shouting at you, noise etc... that's why people pay for personal trainers to make them push harder in the gym

(in addition to the above, it's more enjoyable when the atmosphere is decent even if it has completely nil impact on the outcome!)

bolloxbolder · January 19

Repeating myself from earlier on this thread, but Referees are often swayed by the crowd.

8000 covered end fans shouting handball at the same time must on occasions sway some refs decision making?

AFKABartram · January 19

Agree @bolloxbolder and had the Anderson / Bamford penalty incident been at the other end I’m sure it would have been a penalty

NabySarr · January 19

If you just count the halves of each game where we’ve been shooting at the covered end this season, our record for those halves is Played 12, Won 8, drawn 2 and lost 2. (From 11 second halves and 1 first half). I think that’s pretty clear that it at least has some kind of impact

I’m actually surprised more teams don’t do what Millwall did and swap us around.

Covered End · January 20

bolloxbolder said:

Repeating myself from earlier on this thread, but Referees are often swayed by the crowd.

8000 covered end fans shouting handball at the same time must on occasions sway some refs decision making?

How often did we ever get a penalty at Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal in The Prem days?
Hardly ever if at all.
Yet those teams got plenty against us.

The crowd makes a difference to the result and I'm frankly amazed that so many disagree.
Why does everyone expect to pick up more points at home if it has NOTHING to do with the extra support? (I know it's not ONLY down to the support).

The covid season proved it when there was little difference between all teams results home & away.

D_Cafc · January 21

They’ve gotta give us something to support, it’s no good getting back into the game 15 minutes from the end because the opposition let us

ForeverAddickted · January 21

D_Cafc said:

They’ve gotta give us something to support, it’s no good getting back into the game 15 minutes from the end because the opposition let us

What came first... the chicken or the egg?

Same thing applies here, what comes first game by game? - The players putting in the performance, to get the crowd going, or the crowd showing their support so that the players have the lift from the very first minute.

Our support may make the difference on whether or not we stay up

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