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Our support may make the difference on whether or not we stay up

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  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 58,441
    edited January 21
    ForeverAddickted said:
    D_Cafc said:
    They’ve gotta give us something to support, it’s no good getting back into the game 15 minutes from the end because the opposition let us
    What came first... the chicken or the egg?
    Same thing applies here, what comes first game by game? - The players putting in the performance, to get the crowd going, or the crowd showing their support so that the players have the lift from the very first minute.
    Was a L1 turnout, but the crowd (who turned up) positively supported for 90 mins last night, vocal support was excellent given situation 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,112
    edited January 21
    AFKABartram said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    D_Cafc said:
    They’ve gotta give us something to support, it’s no good getting back into the game 15 minutes from the end because the opposition let us
    What came first... the chicken or the egg?
    Same thing applies here, what comes first game by game? - The players putting in the performance, to get the crowd going, or the crowd showing their support so that the players have the lift from the very first minute.
    Was a L1 turnout, but the crowd (who turned up) positively supported for 90 mins last night, vocal support was excellent given situation 

    Putting the matches on sky has been an absolute killer for midweek attendances. That was a really poor showing last night for a massive game. I agree though that the support, particularly second half, was good
  • HastingsRed
    HastingsRed Posts: 1,702
    Sunderland and Leeds are doing OK at home....think the support they get is a big help.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,493
    HastingsRed said:
    Sunderland and Leeds are doing OK at home....think the support they get is a big help.
    Sunderland were recently in league one and Leeds spent almost 20 years outside the top flight so this doesn't say much for the 'support making a difference' argument.

    You also have the likes of Bournemouth and Brentford in the PL, whilst Leicester and Southampton are in the championship getting 30k every week.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 27,693
    Croydon said:
    AFKABartram said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    D_Cafc said:
    They’ve gotta give us something to support, it’s no good getting back into the game 15 minutes from the end because the opposition let us
    What came first... the chicken or the egg?
    Same thing applies here, what comes first game by game? - The players putting in the performance, to get the crowd going, or the crowd showing their support so that the players have the lift from the very first minute.
    Was a L1 turnout, but the crowd (who turned up) positively supported for 90 mins last night, vocal support was excellent given situation 

    Putting the matches on sky has been an absolute killer for midweek attendances. That was a really poor showing last night for a massive game. I agree though that the support, particularly second half, was good
    Second half was good, first half was mostly Derby, even before the goal, going by the Sky coverage.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,450
    Well done to everyone at Millwall we did a decent job backing the team.

    But does anyone still think Millwall’s support didn’t effect that result?

    Yes they outplayed and out battled us, but their fans screamed for absolutely everything and I’m confident the ref gave them more decisions (although I’ve seen worse).
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 11,525
    edited January 24
    It’s all well and good asking for support. And the fans have put their hands in their pockets and travelled in numbers.

    But today they simply couldn’t be bothered and that is a total kick in the nuts for every supporter who was there 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,390
    Covered End said:
    Well done to everyone at Millwall we did a decent job backing the team.

    But does anyone still think Millwall’s support didn’t effect that result?

    Yes they outplayed and out battled us, but their fans screamed for absolutely everything and I’m confident the ref gave them more decisions (although I’ve seen worse).
    I would imagine our team being absolutely fucking awful probably had more to do with it than their fans enthusiastically chanting “waaaaaallll”. 
  • llama_child_21cws
    llama_child_21cws Posts: 103
    I do feel like our fans are so negative when the goal this season is to stay up by goal difference if we have to.

    I actually don't think we are a championship club, you have to earn your right to be in this league and some people think we are entitled to it.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,840
    DamoNorthStand said:
    It’s all well and good asking for support. And the fans have put their hands in their pockets and travelled in numbers.

    But today they simply couldn’t be bothered and that is a total kick in the nuts for every supporter who was there 
    Travelled in numbers?
    For most of us it's just as easy to get to Millwall as it is the Valley.

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  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,559
    Millwalls support and atmosphere has been pony for them in recent times , according to my scum mate who has been a season ticket holder for years .
    He said obviously it picked up today cos of the rivalry but in general the noise levels are down even though it’s one of their best ever seasons .
  • mascot88
    mascot88 Posts: 9,812
    The crowd makes up to 11.6% difference to the outcome and can swing both ways negative and positive. 


  • AberystwythAddick
    AberystwythAddick Posts: 1,185
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Millwalls support and atmosphere has been pony for them in recent times , according to my scum mate who has been a season ticket holder for years .
    He said obviously it picked up today cos of the rivalry but in general the noise levels are down even though it’s one of their best ever seasons .
    They’re getting gentrified 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,390
    AberystwythAddick said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Millwalls support and atmosphere has been pony for them in recent times , according to my scum mate who has been a season ticket holder for years .
    He said obviously it picked up today cos of the rivalry but in general the noise levels are down even though it’s one of their best ever seasons .
    They’re getting gentrified 
    With 15,000 of them singing “you’re South London’s spastics” it didn’t feel like that yesterday! Hadn’t heard that word for about 25 years.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,559
    se9addick said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Millwalls support and atmosphere has been pony for them in recent times , according to my scum mate who has been a season ticket holder for years .
    He said obviously it picked up today cos of the rivalry but in general the noise levels are down even though it’s one of their best ever seasons .
    They’re getting gentrified 
    With 15,000 of them singing “you’re South London’s spastics” it didn’t feel like that yesterday! Hadn’t heard that word for about 25 years.
    Scum mate said we’re 20 years behind the times here 
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 14,087
    Blaming fans for performance is as bad as blaming spending on ST sales. 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,390
    oohaahmortimer said:
    se9addick said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Millwalls support and atmosphere has been pony for them in recent times , according to my scum mate who has been a season ticket holder for years .
    He said obviously it picked up today cos of the rivalry but in general the noise levels are down even though it’s one of their best ever seasons .
    They’re getting gentrified 
    With 15,000 of them singing “you’re South London’s spastics” it didn’t feel like that yesterday! Hadn’t heard that word for about 25 years.
    Scum mate said we’re 20 years behind the times here 
    To be fair some of their other chants, including “you’re fucking shit” and “you’ll never beat us again” (or something like that), were more accurate.
  • D_Cafc
    D_Cafc Posts: 27
    edited January 25
    I ain’t getting behind gutless c*** who don’t show any fight, however I will say that I’ve been one of Campbells biggest critics but yesterday he ran the length and breadth of that pitch so therefore I applauded and supported him, if you don’t give a fuck then I ain’t gonna support it I’ll say it as it is to them and they can fuck off, and right now that goes for Nathan Jones aswel. Decent third division manager but clueless at this level in how to shut the opposition down and keep the pace needed at this level, same goes for the owners, rather spend money on some muggy firework display because oooh it looks nice, fucking wankers, put money into the team and the backroom staff,that would look better
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,450
    shine166 said:
    Blaming fans for performance is as bad as blaming spending on ST sales. 
    Agreed, but no one has.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,450
    D_Cafc said:
    I ain’t getting behind gutless c*** who don’t show any fight, however I will say that I’ve been one of Campbells biggest critics but yesterday he ran the length and breadth of that pitch so therefore I applauded and supported him, if you don’t give a fuck then I ain’t gonna support it I’ll say it as it is to them and they can fuck off, and right now that goes for Nathan Jones aswel. Decent third division manager but clueless at this level in how to shut the opposition down and keep the pace needed at this level, same goes for the owners, rather spend money on some muggy firework display because oooh it looks nice, fucking wankers, put money into the team and the backroom staff,that would look better
    I wonder what we spent on “fireworks” £1,000?
    I’m wondering what top Championship player is available for £1,000?

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  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,231
    Away from home our fans win hands down, so it must be are players who can make difference on staying up. After yesterday the players do not have it in them. 
  • Oh Eddie Youds...
    Oh Eddie Youds... Posts: 1,331
    edited January 25
    I think the team need to give the fans something to get behind & sing about (via effort / pressure on the opposition goal etc).

    Above is the case for any club.

    You have commended the atmosphere the Millwall fans created yesterday but that only happened because their team were up for it & dominated.

    They (Millwall fans) were very very quiet first half at the valley earlier in the season when they weren’t playing well (& booed them off the pitch at HT during that game)…so they are definitely no different / better when things are not going for them.
  • Arthur_Trudgill
    Arthur_Trudgill Posts: 529
    Covered End said:
    Well done to everyone at Millwall we did a decent job backing the team.

    But does anyone still think Millwall’s support didn’t effect that result?

    Yes they outplayed and out battled us, but their fans screamed for absolutely everything and I’m confident the ref gave them more decisions (although I’ve seen worse).
    I was not far from Dykes when the ref, encouraged by the crowd, blew for 'handball' when there was no handball at all.

    In fact it was weird how often their fans shouted handball.

    At the very least it put doubts in the refs mind.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,112
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Millwalls support and atmosphere has been pony for them in recent times , according to my scum mate who has been a season ticket holder for years .
    He said obviously it picked up today cos of the rivalry but in general the noise levels are down even though it’s one of their best ever seasons .
    They reckon they get too many tourists on match days now, with all the Europeans doing football weekends in London
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,390
    Arthur_Trudgill said:
    Covered End said:
    Well done to everyone at Millwall we did a decent job backing the team.

    But does anyone still think Millwall’s support didn’t effect that result?

    Yes they outplayed and out battled us, but their fans screamed for absolutely everything and I’m confident the ref gave them more decisions (although I’ve seen worse).
    I was not far from Dykes when the ref, encouraged by the crowd, blew for 'handball' when there was no handball at all.

    In fact it was weird how often their fans shouted handball.

    At the very least it put doubts in the refs mind.
    To be fair they probably should have had a penalty for hand ball that wasn’t given in the first half. 
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 14,087
    Covered End said:
    shine166 said:
    Blaming fans for performance is as bad as blaming spending on ST sales. 
    Agreed, but no one has.
    Apart from a thread titled 'our support may make the difference to whether we stay up or not' alludes to that no ? 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,390
    shine166 said:
    Covered End said:
    shine166 said:
    Blaming fans for performance is as bad as blaming spending on ST sales. 
    Agreed, but no one has.
    Apart from a thread titled 'our support may make the difference to whether we stay up or not' alludes to that no ? 
    Can’t you see that if our fans at the Den yesterday had just cheered louder we would have won 5-4?
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,343
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    HastingsRed said:
    Sunderland and Leeds are doing OK at home....think the support they get is a big help.
    Sunderland were recently in league one and Leeds spent almost 20 years outside the top flight so this doesn't say much for the 'support making a difference' argument.

    You also have the likes of Bournemouth and Brentford in the PL, whilst Leicester and Southampton are in the championship getting 30k every week.
    You are missing the point. It's not just about numbers. 20,000 roaring a team on is a lot better than 40,000 frustrated and negative fans. 
  • raytreacy
    raytreacy Posts: 136
    Fans play their part. Booing the players during the game is not productive. But it is up to the Coaching staff and players to give 100 per cent and for the manager to pick and play a formation that gives us the best chance of winning. Be a bit more flexible and not intransigent.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,559
    Did the Charlton players get boooo’d yesterday before the game ended ?
    I didn’t hear it , did that help ?
    Would boooing have made it worse , is that possible 

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