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So who are our new owners then? Board looking for new investors p14
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nobody has more experience on juvenile rants, i'll give u that.Billy_Mix said:
No amount of spending guarantees fuck allstoneroses19 said:
I'll give you the latter, but you have no idea if we have spent enough to stay up this season.DOUCHER said:
enough to keep us up and not get trounced by our local rivalsstoneroses19 said:
How much was you expecting the owners to spend last summer and this month then?DOUCHER said:
I disagree. Do you think they've got all their money tied up in premium bonds? Maybe we went up a year earlier than expected /budgeted but you have to adjust. £12m is probably okay as a new player budget if you already have a Championship squad but clearly isn't enough if you've just scraped up through the play offs. They may be happy chucking a certain amount away each year and not adjusting that and maybe Jones is happy on his 5 year deal going up and down if necessary - u could say its like when we went up to the prem and back down then back up - BUT - this is between what should be our baseline (2nd division) and 3rd division, not the second division and 1st. They may all be happy with their project but I, and every other Charlton fan i know sees going back into League 1 as an absolute nightmare. we've all had enough of it. These owners are more animated when the women's team are playing according to carter - says it all to me - i've got zero interest in Charlton's women team and still wouldn't if they won the Women's champions league.AberystwythAddick said:
When you set out to do something I assume you complete it instantly then?DOUCHER said:Wanting to become London's 4th biggest club and working to a strict (3rd lowest in the division) budget does not compute. That and carter and rodwell saying the owners have been great and given us everything we've asked for - well that doesn't compute either, otherwise we surely would have bought the sort of quality that we needed not to be in a relegation battle.The owners have spent massive amounts of money, how that has been spent by others is not their fault. You could hardly say after last season that they couldn’t trust Jones to deliver another good season. It’s not in them that recruitment has gone tits up.You are being unreasonable to suggest that we wouldn’t be in a relegation battle this season
Form is temporary
Injuries can scupper any squad
And Woeful referees can burn legitimately won points with one careless blow of their whistle
Self important ranting about some blokes you’ve never met not spending fanciful bundles on unnamed playing superheroes is as dreary as it is juvenile2 -
Wrong thread ?Dave Rudd said:Sporting KPI back on track.
35/29 = 1.207
1.207 x 46 = 55.5
55.5 > 50 (or 52)
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golfaddick said:
Wrong thread ?Dave Rudd said:Sporting KPI back on track.
35/29 = 1.207
1.207 x 46 = 55.5
55.5 > 50 (or 52)
Get in!
It was triggered by an earlier reference to the Online Fan Meeting (see Page 24 of this thread) where Gavin Carter talked about our 'Sporting KPI'.0 -
I have just looked at the EFL owners and directors Test public register of Directors, we have twenty of them.
Akihiro Azuma (b)
Allie Rosenfeld (b)
Andrew Scott (e)
Beth Friedman (b)
Ed Warrick (a)
Gabriel Brener (b)
Gavin Carter (a)
Hiroyuki Ono (b)
James Rodwell (a)
Joshua Friedman (b)
Marc Boyan (b)
Munir Javeri (b)
Nathaniel Brener (b)
Oliver Friedman (b)
Paul Elliott (a)
Phillipe Brener (b)
Spencer Friedman (b)
Warren Rosenfield (b)
Wesley Friedman (b)
Will Rosenfeld (b)
letters in brackets indicate the type of control or influence they have over the club. Large numbers under these listings not unusual , but we seem to more than any other club in the Championship. No wonder it is difficult to know who is funding a club.
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How up to date is that list? Scott still on it.2
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Given lots of those have the same surnames you can pretty much count those as one. I doubt Rodwell actually has shares and Elliott’s will be minimal1
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Some are executive directors ie employees not owners including Rodwell, Warrick, Elliott plus Scott who has left.
Then there are three family holdings. The Brener family, the Friedman family and the Rosenfeld Family although the last two, while seperate holdings, are also cousins, uncles, brothers in law.
The rest are smaller share holders including Carter the unstopable Non-exec Chair.0 -
I believe Ed Warrick does have a small shareholding. May be true of Rodwell too? And interesting that Scott is still listed while Methven isn’t.1
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Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.0
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Henry Irving said:Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.I don't imagine that would be an issue, assuming professionalism amongst the individuals, and any new CEO will, I'm sure, be fully endorsed by the majority owners on the GFP Board.I've never attended a CAFC board meeting but I can't imagine 'voting rights' plays any part in decision making.0
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I don’t believe it has been wasted, the quality of players we have recruited is the quality we can afford, with the third lowest budget in the league. Just because we splashed out on transfer fees, something we’re not used to, doesn’t mean we’re equal to other Championship clubs, other teams are paying way more in wages. That’s why we’ve taken a punt on players hopefully making the step up from L1, it’s risky but that’s all we can afford. Our only other route is signing quality players with suspect injury records. Like in or not we’re not going down the Wrexham or Birmingham route. If we stay in this league we can increase our quality slowly every season.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
It hasn't been spent wisely at all, in fact most of it looks to have been completely wasted. But the conversation here is around the owners spending, and they've spent a fair bit. I recall back to the summer and most fans were pretty surprised that we spent 10m because it was far more than we were expecting.ShootersHillGuru said:
How wisely has it been spent though ? Apter, Olaofe, Ahadme, Kelman have for me all been hugely disappointing. Perhaps Kelman will come good but we spent decent money on the other three and they’ve basically bombed. Have the other signings really hit it off ? Edward’s, and Ramsay certainly but the rest are pretty hit and miss ? I think we thought we could back our abilities to grab a league one bargain and it’s been a financial disaster.Rothko said:I'm fully aware football has moved on, but we've outspent what Derby, Oxford and Portsmouth did last summer, and outspent Oxford and Portsmouth combined dealings in those two seasons if we sign Collins.
We've gone from a League 2 destined squad to a Championship one in rapid time, so they have invested, just it seems people want us to spend Birmingham type money
The fact it's mostly been wasted is on Jones and (i assume) Chapple. We can't blame the owners. In fact if i was an owner i'd be seriously questioning recruitment, getting Chapple in to explain things and also looking to get a proper CEO in place asap.2 -
As upto date as the EFL website is. It still for example lists Sheffield Wednesday and Hull under fee restrictions, but has removed the embargo listing's of them.guinnessaddick said:How up to date is that list? Scott still on it.1 -
Dane Murphy was recruited due to his experience in recruitment. That fell thru' and Gavin Carter has said that we're now looking for someone with more of a commercial background.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.I don't imagine that would be an issue, assuming professionalism amongst the individuals, and any new CEO will, I'm sure, be fully endorsed by the majority owners on the GFP Board.I've never attended a CAFC board meeting but I can't imagine 'voting rights' plays any part in decision making.
That leaves Jim Rodwell secure in his de facto Director of Football role and Ed Warrick secure in his ops and finance role.
I'm not saying that is a bad thing but even though we've both retired @bobmunro I'm sure we can both drag Tuckman's stages of team development model from the depths of our memory.1 -
Henry Irving said:
Dane Murphy was recruited due to his experience in recruitment. That fell thru' and Gavin Carter has said that we're now looking for someone with more of a commercial background.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.I don't imagine that would be an issue, assuming professionalism amongst the individuals, and any new CEO will, I'm sure, be fully endorsed by the majority owners on the GFP Board.I've never attended a CAFC board meeting but I can't imagine 'voting rights' plays any part in decision making.
That leaves Jim Rodwell secure in his de facto Director of Football role and Ed Warrick secure in his ops and finance role.Of course, that applies to any team with a new senior member, although any team development issues that the addition of a commercially focused CEO might bring would be predicated on what stage the existing SLT may have attained!However, in Belbin's language I would hope the new CEO is a Shaper which could lead to conflict if there were other Shapers within the SLT - but I don't think there are! We need Completer/Finishers both on and off the pitch!0 -
bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:
Dane Murphy was recruited due to his experience in recruitment. That fell thru' and Gavin Carter has said that we're now looking for someone with more of a commercial background.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.I don't imagine that would be an issue, assuming professionalism amongst the individuals, and any new CEO will, I'm sure, be fully endorsed by the majority owners on the GFP Board.I've never attended a CAFC board meeting but I can't imagine 'voting rights' plays any part in decision making.
That leaves Jim Rodwell secure in his de facto Director of Football role and Ed Warrick secure in his ops and finance role.Of course, that applies to any team with a new senior member, although any team development issues that the addition of a commercially focused CEO might bring would be predicated on what stage the existing SLT may have attained!However, in Belbin's language I would hope the new CEO is a Shaper which could lead to conflict if there were other Shapers within the SLT - but I don't think there are! We need Completer/Finishers both on and off the pitch!
Belbin! Bloody hell, bobmunro. Is that still a thing? Haven't heard that term since I retired some years ago.
Let's keep it going. Which Myers-Briggs type are you?
Me? I'm an Aquarius.0 -
Dave Rudd said:bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:
Dane Murphy was recruited due to his experience in recruitment. That fell thru' and Gavin Carter has said that we're now looking for someone with more of a commercial background.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.I don't imagine that would be an issue, assuming professionalism amongst the individuals, and any new CEO will, I'm sure, be fully endorsed by the majority owners on the GFP Board.I've never attended a CAFC board meeting but I can't imagine 'voting rights' plays any part in decision making.
That leaves Jim Rodwell secure in his de facto Director of Football role and Ed Warrick secure in his ops and finance role.Of course, that applies to any team with a new senior member, although any team development issues that the addition of a commercially focused CEO might bring would be predicated on what stage the existing SLT may have attained!However, in Belbin's language I would hope the new CEO is a Shaper which could lead to conflict if there were other Shapers within the SLT - but I don't think there are! We need Completer/Finishers both on and off the pitch!
Belbin! Bloody hell, bobmunro. Is that still a thing? Haven't heard that term since I retired some years ago.
Let's keep it going. Which Myers-Briggs type are you?
Me? I'm an Aquarius.
ENTJ0 -
If we get a CEO, do we need both Jim Rodwell and Simon Lenegan? Plus, what does Lenegan actually do?Henry Irving said:
Dane Murphy was recruited due to his experience in recruitment. That fell thru' and Gavin Carter has said that we're now looking for someone with more of a commercial background.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.I don't imagine that would be an issue, assuming professionalism amongst the individuals, and any new CEO will, I'm sure, be fully endorsed by the majority owners on the GFP Board.I've never attended a CAFC board meeting but I can't imagine 'voting rights' plays any part in decision making.
That leaves Jim Rodwell secure in his de facto Director of Football role and Ed Warrick secure in his ops and finance role.
I'm not saying that is a bad thing but even though we've both retired @bobmunro I'm sure we can both drag Tuckman's stages of team development model from the depths of our memory.0 -
I'm INTJbobmunro said:Dave Rudd said:bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:
Dane Murphy was recruited due to his experience in recruitment. That fell thru' and Gavin Carter has said that we're now looking for someone with more of a commercial background.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.I don't imagine that would be an issue, assuming professionalism amongst the individuals, and any new CEO will, I'm sure, be fully endorsed by the majority owners on the GFP Board.I've never attended a CAFC board meeting but I can't imagine 'voting rights' plays any part in decision making.
That leaves Jim Rodwell secure in his de facto Director of Football role and Ed Warrick secure in his ops and finance role.Of course, that applies to any team with a new senior member, although any team development issues that the addition of a commercially focused CEO might bring would be predicated on what stage the existing SLT may have attained!However, in Belbin's language I would hope the new CEO is a Shaper which could lead to conflict if there were other Shapers within the SLT - but I don't think there are! We need Completer/Finishers both on and off the pitch!
Belbin! Bloody hell, bobmunro. Is that still a thing? Haven't heard that term since I retired some years ago.
Let's keep it going. Which Myers-Briggs type are you?
Me? I'm an Aquarius.
ENTJ
I was also a Shaper0 -
No idea what he does with us, but he used play the part of Sally's love interest in CorrieAthletico Charlton said:
If we get a CEO, do we need both Jim Rodwell and Simon Lenegan? Plus, what does Lenegan actually do?Henry Irving said:
Dane Murphy was recruited due to his experience in recruitment. That fell thru' and Gavin Carter has said that we're now looking for someone with more of a commercial background.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:Interesting dynamic when recruiting a CEO if other execs are shareholders.I don't imagine that would be an issue, assuming professionalism amongst the individuals, and any new CEO will, I'm sure, be fully endorsed by the majority owners on the GFP Board.I've never attended a CAFC board meeting but I can't imagine 'voting rights' plays any part in decision making.
That leaves Jim Rodwell secure in his de facto Director of Football role and Ed Warrick secure in his ops and finance role.
I'm not saying that is a bad thing but even though we've both retired @bobmunro I'm sure we can both drag Tuckman's stages of team development model from the depths of our memory.2 -
Remember being sent on a few of those management courses / workhops over the years and still can't believe there are still companies making money from putting them on - my MD asked me what i thought and i said you don't want to know but he pressed me and i told him it was utter twaddle for the gullible. Common sense and good judgement is a natural thing. Management speak books and courses have created hollow corporate entity employees. The new trend seems to be trying to encourage people to be their 'authentic selves' after years of telling everybody to be some manufactured PC Robot. It's all bollox for the brain dead.3
