Tyreece Campbell thread

I was more concerned yesterday by what could only be described as a "couldn't give a shit" attitude. Didn't seem prepared to do the basics  for the team, and didn't seem to want to make himself available, like he was knackered, pissed off, or apathetic (or all three).

aso914 said:

My opinion has always been he will go on to be a great championship winger but it’s not going to be with us. There’s a reason most fanbases of the teams we play say he’s our biggest threat/best player. I’m not saying he can’t be criticized but the hate is overblown when you consider he’s played out of position. That goal against Derby shows exactly what he’s capable of. Frankly I find it strange how our fans talk about Apter like he’s Messi and were saying Jones needs to play a different system to accommodate his strengths when TC is the better winger of the two and doesn’t get that type of grace.  

If you were define a ‘great’ championship winger what would you expect of them?
I think once you start listing what would be expected unless huge improvement is made he IMO is not even a great league 1 winger. I’m sure he will improve a certain amount whether it will be enough is questionable.

It's a bit weird how extreme the opinions are on one player, we've got him described as someone most of the championship would want and not even great in league one within about 10 posts of each other.

Personally I don't think either is true, he has the talent to play in the championship but I don't see him ever getting into a side with genuine promotion aspirations (squad maybe, starting 11 no.) But I do think he'd do much better being played in a role that actually suits his abilities - Jones’s fixation on WBs has done him no favors.

With Ramsay out of form and Godden struggling to get fit, Campbell is one of our only two entertaining players (the other being Bell).  Jones is our most valuable player, but more admirable than entertaining. I suppose Docherty and Berry have occasional comic value.
I am hoping for a few laughs and thrills from Sichenje.

fenaddick said:

At this point in his development he struggles when we’re under the pump against quality Championship sides. If we were in L1 still I think he would have double figures goals + assists. He looked dangerous playing up front against Millwall with Chambers at LWB as there was another threat for the opposition RB. He doesn’t yet have the skills or confidence to take a game by the scruff of its neck on his own, but with more space afforded to him he is still dangerous 

Check his goal vs Derby. He definitely has the skills to take it by the scruff of the neck. 

He is still young and learning. He works hard too which is a big factor inn the Championship, not everyone has the capability to run as much as he does.

fenaddick said:

llama_child_21cws said:

fenaddick said:

At this point in his development he struggles when we’re under the pump against quality Championship sides. If we were in L1 still I think he would have double figures goals + assists. He looked dangerous playing up front against Millwall with Chambers at LWB as there was another threat for the opposition RB. He doesn’t yet have the skills or confidence to take a game by the scruff of its neck on his own, but with more space afforded to him he is still dangerous 

Check his goal vs Derby. He definitely has the skills to take it by the scruff of the neck. 

He is still young and learning. He works hard too which is a big factor inn the Championship, not everyone has the capability to run as much as he does.

Sure, I just meant consistently. I’m a big TC believer and defender, I think he’s one of our most valuable players. He’s just also young and not doing that as often as he will (hopefully) be able to in a few years 

The difference between championship and Premier league players at this level isn't ability its consistency. If TC was consistently grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck and scoring goals like that he won't be a Charlton player long. Expectations needs to be reasonable too

Weegie Addick said:

Sword65pf said:

Scoham said:

Sword65pf said:

AberystwythAddick said:

He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 

Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.

Would he improve in those areas if he didn’t need to do so much tracking back and pressing?

As we generally have low possession there’s an argument he uses a lot of energy doing the defensive work, which doesn’t help him when he gets in attacking positions, and he sometimes only has a few opportunities to make those moments count.

In a team who have more of the ball he might get in those areas more often, and might not be as tired when that happens.

Would be a perfectly valid point if he was to do the basics right, he wasn’t tired coming on the other night but still couldn’t pass the ball. I’m always rooting for him, but that doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism. 

Not seeking to dig you out here, but given your recent comments that he doesn’t do the basics right and isn’t even a great League 1 winger, I’m really struggling to see how you are “always rooting for him”. Could you highlight a post or several showing this because I’m afraid I’ve missed them? 

Don’t care if you are digging me out or not, however, when at games I sing his name and encourage him when playing in the shirt, that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on his quality of play. If he has done well I would say so on here, I don’t need to justify my opinion to strangers on a forum.my opinion is he isn’t at the level required in the championship and that is showing by him being benched.Hope  that is understandable for you. 

CAFCBourne said:

Swisdom said:

Frankly i'm bored of the TC out" narrative being spouted by many fans in the ground and on here and other social media.

How many players do we have that get people off their seat.  That create a buzz.  

We have precious few exciting players and precious little pace but TC has both.  He's young, played out of position frequently,  and stepped up into one of the toughest leagues in the world so forgive him for not looking like a world beater just yet.

get behind him and maybe consider he is being told to play cautiously

It speaks for itself that he is doubled-up on EVERY game so opposition teams clearly identify him as a threat too.

I don't think there's much of a TC out narrative and fair bit of sympathy for the boy being played out of position but Friday he was totally unprofessional wandering around not giving a toss   

I honestly don't understand how people can post this stuff. On what basis was he 'not giving a toss'? You can argue that his performance wasn't great but this bizarre way fans think they have an insight into the mentality of a player based on a 15 minute cameo is incredible. Unprofessional? If he was unprofessional Nathan Jones would have hauled him off and we'd not see him again. It's odd how we have a manager who demands hard work from his players before anything else and yet we regularly have fans criticisng TC for being lazy or uninterested. Football fans eh  

thenewbie said:

Callumcafc said:

thenewbie said:

It's a bit weird how extreme the opinions are on one player, we've got him described as someone most of the championship would want and not even great in league one within about 10 posts of each other.

Personally I don't think either is true, he has the talent to play in the championship but I don't see him ever getting into a side with genuine promotion aspirations (squad maybe, starting 11 no.) But I do think he'd do much better being played in a role that actually suits his abilities - Jones’s fixation on WBs has done him no favors.

This version of TC probably not, I’d agree. But he’s only 22 and still has years of growth in him.

Absolutely can see him being an important attacking player for a top six / promotion chasing side in a couple of seasons. Hopefully we are that team.

I don’t like using him as an example because of who he’s doing it for but Femi Azeez is two years older than TC. He hadn’t even played Championship football yet two years ago.

A fair point but the counter argument is that Campbell is probably not going to develop as well if he's forced to shackle himself into a Nathan Jones sufferball, maximum effort system and DEFINITELY not being stuck as a WB.

That's not a critique of Campbell himself, I admire his application and effort to play in an unsuited role,  but he's very much a square peg in a round hole which doesn't suit him OR the team very well.

I think it's good development for him. Football has changed and players are required to work so much harder in certain areas than they used to. Wingers have to track and monitor the full back going forward or they won't get anywhere; just look at Garnacho against West Ham. Didn't want to do his running and Chelsea went in 2-0 down at half time. He was hooked ahead of the second half and they won 3-2 with the full team contributing. I don't know if it will be for us soon, for us under a new manager or for a new club but long term the work being done to develop TC as an incredibly hard running player will help him, he's just got to work on his confidence again more than anything. I think the stretches at LWB have hurt him and he's not taking on players as aggressively as he has in the past. I was disappointed Jones brought him on at wingback against QPR but we were also in a position where Dykes was playing too well to come off and we didn't have a like-for-like replacement from him on the bench. Hopefully we won't see him at LWB anymore and he can start going at players again

Garrymanilow said:

thenewbie said:

Callumcafc said:

thenewbie said:

It's a bit weird how extreme the opinions are on one player, we've got him described as someone most of the championship would want and not even great in league one within about 10 posts of each other.

Personally I don't think either is true, he has the talent to play in the championship but I don't see him ever getting into a side with genuine promotion aspirations (squad maybe, starting 11 no.) But I do think he'd do much better being played in a role that actually suits his abilities - Jones’s fixation on WBs has done him no favors.

This version of TC probably not, I’d agree. But he’s only 22 and still has years of growth in him.

Absolutely can see him being an important attacking player for a top six / promotion chasing side in a couple of seasons. Hopefully we are that team.

I don’t like using him as an example because of who he’s doing it for but Femi Azeez is two years older than TC. He hadn’t even played Championship football yet two years ago.

A fair point but the counter argument is that Campbell is probably not going to develop as well if he's forced to shackle himself into a Nathan Jones sufferball, maximum effort system and DEFINITELY not being stuck as a WB.

That's not a critique of Campbell himself, I admire his application and effort to play in an unsuited role,  but he's very much a square peg in a round hole which doesn't suit him OR the team very well.

I think it's good development for him. Football has changed and players are required to work so much harder in certain areas than they used to. Wingers have to track and monitor the full back going forward or they won't get anywhere; just look at Garnacho against West Ham. Didn't want to do his running and Chelsea went in 2-0 down at half time. He was hooked ahead of the second half and they won 3-2 with the full team contributing. I don't know if it will be for us soon, for us under a new manager or for a new club but long term the work being done to develop TC as an incredibly hard running player will help him, he's just got to work on his confidence again more than anything. I think the stretches at LWB have hurt him and he's not taking on players as aggressively as he has in the past. I was disappointed Jones brought him on at wingback against QPR but we were also in a position where Dykes was playing too well to come off and we didn't have a like-for-like replacement from him on the bench. Hopefully we won't see him at LWB anymore and he can start going at players again

I get what you are saying with this, but it’s being suggested he is out of position as wingback which we all agree on pretty much, but then it’s suggested he takes up a strikers spot, he also isn’t a striker. That’s going to always be the issue for him in the current set up. The solution is he learns to shoot consistently and starts scoring goals or he learns to be an effective wingback going forwards and defensively. 

gringo said:

I was more concerned yesterday by what could only be described as a "couldn't give a shit" attitude. Didn't seem prepared to do the basics  for the team, and didn't seem to want to make himself available, like he was knackered, pissed off, or apathetic (or all three).

this - I'm a big TC fan and was baying for him to come on and have a run at them, I felt that could tip the game for us

but let's face it, he was absolutely dire on Friday, contributed nothing and literally looked like he didn't give a shit

I thought TC bar Friday has been one of our better players recently. Think the criticism of one poor performance is well over the top 

I thought we could have taken Kellman off and brought TC on playing with Dykes. That way we keep the balance of the team which is critical to the way we play and add some spice up front. 

Weegie Addick said:

Sword65pf said:

Weegie Addick said:

Sword65pf said:

Scoham said:

Sword65pf said:

AberystwythAddick said:

He will be a very good championship player, personally think he needs a move to achieve that though, system doesn’t suit him, he needs to be somewhere where he plays as an out and out winger to fully express himself. 

Disagree with this, a change of system isn’t going to make him a better all round player at championship level, it may cover his weaknesses more, but he would still need to pass, shoot and generally make better decisions, none of these things are about the system it’s just an excuse being made for him.

Would he improve in those areas if he didn’t need to do so much tracking back and pressing?

As we generally have low possession there’s an argument he uses a lot of energy doing the defensive work, which doesn’t help him when he gets in attacking positions, and he sometimes only has a few opportunities to make those moments count.

In a team who have more of the ball he might get in those areas more often, and might not be as tired when that happens.

Would be a perfectly valid point if he was to do the basics right, he wasn’t tired coming on the other night but still couldn’t pass the ball. I’m always rooting for him, but that doesn’t mean he is immune to criticism. 

Not seeking to dig you out here, but given your recent comments that he doesn’t do the basics right and isn’t even a great League 1 winger, I’m really struggling to see how you are “always rooting for him”. Could you highlight a post or several showing this because I’m afraid I’ve missed them? 

Don’t care if you are digging me out or not, however, when at games I sing his name and encourage him when playing in the shirt, that doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion on his quality of play. If he has done well I would say so on here, I don’t need to justify my opinion to strangers on a forum.my opinion is he isn’t at the level required in the championship and that is showing by him being benched.Hope  that is understandable for you. 

I’m glad you say you sing his name. At the Derby match about five minutes before he scored there was loud groaning and moaning plus some specific shouts of abuse towards TC from the Covered End. I can’t help but imagine that the people who post on here and social media about him being lazy / unprofessional / disinterested / not good enough are the ones behind this. Whether it’s them personally or others just taking their lead I don’t know but this is not “just a message board thing”.

It’s well known that TC is a shy, introverted character - not the norm for a talented footballer. Maybe just maybe consistent and unequivocal support and encouragement from the crowd will help bring out the best in him for our club. 

Instead I fear we’re beyond that now and some of our so-called fans will only be satisfied once they’ve hounded him out. 

I’ve never said he lazy for the record, but at the moment he is not cutting it at championship level,it’s unfair to tar everyone with the same brush. I think he is fully aware that he is going to be criticised for performances that would have been part of his acadamy training,and how to deal with it,he may be very quiet and I’ve spoken to him on quite a few occasions,he said very little.but to expect everyone to cheer him on and ignore bad performances isn’t going to happen. Just add on Friday night when he came on he got a great reception and a few chorus of his song and it was loud…. Then we got that performance. Which really puts the theory of unequivocal support out the window. 

He’s right footed, I know it’s in vogue to have right footers on the left and vice versa but he never looks comfortable out on the left. Surely he’d be better utilised on the right? He’d not have to cut back inside every single time and could actually get to the byline and sling a few crosses in.