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POST MATCH THREAD : Charlton Athletic V Portsmouth : Tuesday 17th February 2026 : KO 19:45
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Stig said:
Yes, if you look at the teamsheets you can see that they had a lot more players with single digit squad numbers than we did. It looks more like the injuries forced them to revert to what they thought would be their principle XI when the season started.ForeverAddickted said:1968CAFC said:Forgetting the ref was a totally inconsistent wanker, if we carryon playing like we did tonight we will go down !!
utter shite against a reserve team 👎👎👎Sorry but at least do your research, people are looking at the 14-injuries and are simply presuming the worstGoalkeeper- Schmid: 21-games this season, missed a few earlier in the season with an injury, but first choiceDefence- Poole; 28-games... Devlin and Swanson... 26-games, Ogvilie: 21-gamesMidfield- Pack; 21-games... Adams and Alli; 7-games (joined in Jan)... Caballero; 2-games (joined in Jan)Attack- Switf; 21-games... Bishop; 28-games.That is a lot of matches for their "reserves", given they've played 31-games?Wonder which players were forced to play out of position for them last night, and in the recent run of fixtures... Its not necessarily been the amount of injuries that have hurt us (again thats a very simplistic way of looking at things), but more the fact that we've struggled having balance without a natural Left Back.3 -
Because a penalty has an xG of 0.79, when they won that they weren’t 79% likely to score a goal. Take that away and their chances were worth 0.35 goals and they’ve managed to bag 2. Ours were worth 0.8 and we’ve bagged 1. Going purely on the data our non penalty creation was more than double as good as theirsStig said:
I don't know if I'm missing something here Callum, but I thought xg was a measure of who was creating the better chances. How do we square that with suggesting that we had the better chances?Callumcafc said:
It was a low quality game, their right back aside.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Hmm. When he says we had the better chances I'm not sure what game he was watching.ForeverAddickted said:
He does seem genuinely deflated in that interview.
I know people love to slate xG but it does paint a picture on nights like this.
Charlton 0.80
Pompey 1.14 (0.79 came from a very harsh pen so 0.35 otherwise)
Don’t think Jones is wide of the mark to say we had the better chances. But I won’t argue we did enough to deserve to win the game.
If Kaminski doesn’t flap and Devlin doesn’t spank one in off the post, we’re talking about a 1-1 draw with a harsh Pompey penalty.7 -
JamesSeed said:
Right on the edge of the area, clearly not intentional, his arm wasn’t stretched out in order to make himself bigger, the ball was whacked at him with some speed. Any sensible ref would have processed all that and given a free kick on the edge of the area IMHO. Sky team thought it was very soft FWIW.bobmunro said:
Lino gave it I believe. Bell's arm was not in a natural position and definitely a penalty.guinnessaddick said:
I thought it was a pen, not sure how the ref saw it, as Bell would have blocked his view.CAFCFW05 said:
Maybe I am part of the minority, but in this stage of football, unfortunately it is a pen. Would’ve been given with VARcafcnick1992 said:The first few pages of these threads are always angry posts with little longer term perspective.
We're at 7 points from 12 since the Millwall performance - not terrible for a relegation-fighting team. We're also 7 points from the relegation spots and have shown real fight Vs Stoke and QPR.
I thought a few things went against us today early in the game and it was enough to rock us.
1. The ref simply wouldn't allow any contact between players which goes against our playing style.
2. Kiminski gifting Pompey a goal
3. A terrible decision by the ref to award a penalty
It's disappointing we couldn't recover but that's life in the Championship. Those whining and moaning about where we are in the table would be happier if we were 4th in League One. We're a new championship team - these results will happen.
For what's it worth, I thought the Portsmouth players were a credit to their badge tonight. Fought really hard and deserved the win.But we would probably have lost anyway, because we have to over-perform to score points, with the squad that we have, sadly.
That's a clear penalty.
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Devlin is a CM by trade not a right back. Usually it's Zac Swanson there but he played LB instead because their loan LB from Sunderland tore his quad. Other than that there wasn't anyone else out of position.ForeverAddickted said:Stig said:
Yes, if you look at the teamsheets you can see that they had a lot more players with single digit squad numbers than we did. It looks more like the injuries forced them to revert to what they thought would be their principle XI when the season started.ForeverAddickted said:1968CAFC said:Forgetting the ref was a totally inconsistent wanker, if we carryon playing like we did tonight we will go down !!
utter shite against a reserve team 👎👎👎Sorry but at least do your research, people are looking at the 14-injuries and are simply presuming the worstGoalkeeper- Schmid: 21-games this season, missed a few earlier in the season with an injury, but first choiceDefence- Poole; 28-games... Devlin and Swanson... 26-games, Ogvilie: 21-gamesMidfield- Pack; 21-games... Adams and Alli; 7-games (joined in Jan)... Caballero; 2-games (joined in Jan)Attack- Switf; 21-games... Bishop; 28-games.That is a lot of matches for their "reserves", given they've played 31-games?Wonder which players were forced to play out of position for them last night, and in the recent run of fixtures... Its not necessarily been the amount of injuries that have hurt us (again thats a very simplistic way of looking at things), but more the fact that we've struggled having balance without a natural Left Back.2 -
Clarkes powder puff shot after 30 seconds set the tone5
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MarcusH26 said:
Devlin is a CM by trade not a right back. Usually it's Zac Swanson there but he played LB instead because their loan LB from Sunderland tore his quad. Other than that there wasn't anyone else out of position.ForeverAddickted said:Stig said:
Yes, if you look at the teamsheets you can see that they had a lot more players with single digit squad numbers than we did. It looks more like the injuries forced them to revert to what they thought would be their principle XI when the season started.ForeverAddickted said:1968CAFC said:Forgetting the ref was a totally inconsistent wanker, if we carryon playing like we did tonight we will go down !!
utter shite against a reserve team 👎👎👎Sorry but at least do your research, people are looking at the 14-injuries and are simply presuming the worstGoalkeeper- Schmid: 21-games this season, missed a few earlier in the season with an injury, but first choiceDefence- Poole; 28-games... Devlin and Swanson... 26-games, Ogvilie: 21-gamesMidfield- Pack; 21-games... Adams and Alli; 7-games (joined in Jan)... Caballero; 2-games (joined in Jan)Attack- Switf; 21-games... Bishop; 28-games.That is a lot of matches for their "reserves", given they've played 31-games?Wonder which players were forced to play out of position for them last night, and in the recent run of fixtures... Its not necessarily been the amount of injuries that have hurt us (again thats a very simplistic way of looking at things), but more the fact that we've struggled having balance without a natural Left Back.Cheers, that makes sense and is a bit of a relief that Devlin didn't turn into some prime Striker of the ball as a Defender!!That one did leave me a bit baffled last night2 -
Not if it hits his chest firstRedskin said:JamesSeed said:
Right on the edge of the area, clearly not intentional, his arm wasn’t stretched out in order to make himself bigger, the ball was whacked at him with some speed. Any sensible ref would have processed all that and given a free kick on the edge of the area IMHO. Sky team thought it was very soft FWIW.bobmunro said:
Lino gave it I believe. Bell's arm was not in a natural position and definitely a penalty.guinnessaddick said:
I thought it was a pen, not sure how the ref saw it, as Bell would have blocked his view.CAFCFW05 said:
Maybe I am part of the minority, but in this stage of football, unfortunately it is a pen. Would’ve been given with VARcafcnick1992 said:The first few pages of these threads are always angry posts with little longer term perspective.
We're at 7 points from 12 since the Millwall performance - not terrible for a relegation-fighting team. We're also 7 points from the relegation spots and have shown real fight Vs Stoke and QPR.
I thought a few things went against us today early in the game and it was enough to rock us.
1. The ref simply wouldn't allow any contact between players which goes against our playing style.
2. Kiminski gifting Pompey a goal
3. A terrible decision by the ref to award a penalty
It's disappointing we couldn't recover but that's life in the Championship. Those whining and moaning about where we are in the table would be happier if we were 4th in League One. We're a new championship team - these results will happen.
For what's it worth, I thought the Portsmouth players were a credit to their badge tonight. Fought really hard and deserved the win.But we would probably have lost anyway, because we have to over-perform to score points, with the squad that we have, sadly.
That's a clear penalty.7 -
If Dykes scores that 1 on 1 in the first couple of mins it’s probably a totally different game
tails up etc and full of confidence1 -
So we're basically hoping that mob down the road do us a favour Saturday and do to Portsmouth what we failed in our pathetic attempt to do last night...🤦♂️1
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Would it be fair to say then, that some should maybe temper the constant ups and downs and find a middle ground?AberystwythAddick said:
No one’s called for him to get sacked after last night though.TheHerminator said:
Not sure who you're referring to here? In case it was me I haven't mentioned that he should be immune from being criticised. I'm saying that depending on the result he's either best thing since sliced bread, or the worst hoofball manager ever and should be sacked.AberystwythAddick said:No one is immune from criticism. Jones got it wrong yesterday. This is not a difficult concept to understand.
This forum seems incapable in the main of being objective and finding a middle ground on that opinion. As someone else pointed out it's football fans in general I'm sure, but I personally am really bored of the constant flipping between saying he's incredible one week then wanting him sacked the nextFans are allowed to be frustrated and critical of the performance.
When we're doing well it's because Jones has brilliantly set us up to disrupt and our pressure has lead to goals.
When we've done badly it's aimless hoofball and he needs some new ideas.
He very clearly has a game plan, sometimes it works really well, other times it looks dreadful. The bit that frustrates me is people lauding it when it works, only to say its aimless and brain dead when it doesn't.8 -
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Ok, thanks Fen.fenaddick said:
Because a penalty has an xG of 0.79, when they won that they weren’t 79% likely to score a goal. Take that away and their chances were worth 0.35 goals and they’ve managed to bag 2. Ours were worth 0.8 and we’ve bagged 1. Going purely on the data our non penalty creation was more than double as good as theirsStig said:
I don't know if I'm missing something here Callum, but I thought xg was a measure of who was creating the better chances. How do we square that with suggesting that we had the better chances?Callumcafc said:
It was a low quality game, their right back aside.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Hmm. When he says we had the better chances I'm not sure what game he was watching.ForeverAddickted said:
He does seem genuinely deflated in that interview.
I know people love to slate xG but it does paint a picture on nights like this.
Charlton 0.80
Pompey 1.14 (0.79 came from a very harsh pen so 0.35 otherwise)
Don’t think Jones is wide of the mark to say we had the better chances. But I won’t argue we did enough to deserve to win the game.
If Kaminski doesn’t flap and Devlin doesn’t spank one in off the post, we’re talking about a 1-1 draw with a harsh Pompey penalty.1 -
I heard several people near me calling for him to be sacked at the end of the game last night. Now I'm not saying they were upstanding citizens and MENSA members, but they were definitely calling for him to go.
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https://youtu.be/lHo1hdxF6FEValleyGary said:I genuinely wonder if our passage of play training at Sparrows Lane is let the ball drop out the sky and then boot it, cos we have no other game plan.
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Anybody want a pair of Southampton tickets?
I can't afford to pay you a huge amount, maybe £20 each one?14 -
This really hits the nail on the head, there really was zero football from us last night, the no look hoof over the shoulder passes are driving me crazy!!golfaddick said:
I dont think we should be in any particular position after 32 matches. But what I do expect is to see some actual football being played. Passes from midfield along the floor for forwards to run onto. No wonder why Kelman can't score in this team - look at the goals he scored last season & compare that to the chances he has been given this.cafcnick1992 said:
The problem with posts like that is that you never set out what your expectations are.BigDiddy said:
No - I don’t accept any of that.cafcnick1992 said:The first few pages of these threads are always angry posts with little longer term perspective.
We're at 7 points from 12 since the Millwall performance - not terrible for a relegation-fighting team. We're also 7 points from the relegation spots and have shown real fight Vs Stoke and QPR.
I thought a few things went against us today early in the game and it was enough to rock us.
1. The ref simply wouldn't allow any contact between players which goes against our playing style.
2. Kiminski gifting Pompey a goal
3. A terrible decision by the ref to award a penalty
It's disappointing we couldn't recover but that's life in the Championship. Those whining and moaning about where we are in the table would be happier if we were 4th in League One. We're a new championship team - these results will happen.
For what's it worth, I thought the Portsmouth players were a credit to their badge tonight. Fought really hard and deserved the win.
We were shite tonight and NJ is clueless when things go wrong.
Do you think we should be comfortably mid table?
I also expect wingers to cross the ball for strikers to attack. Leaburn is 6ft 5 but not once did he have a ball to run onto & head at goal. Was the Leicester match an aberration & tonight the norm ? Or was tonight the outlier & on Saturday we'll see Clarke & Chambers whipping in crosses for the strikers to attack ?
TC had pace & trickery but 90% of the time he beats his defender & then creates very little. Feverier did more & scored to boot.
We may stay up but by God if NJ doesn't change his tactics/ formation for next season I couldn't stand another year of this mediocrity.0 -
Imagine if it was a dirty game!!!, the blokes got to be a spanner!golfaddick said:
If I'm reading that right he's reffed us twice this season & given us 11 yellow cards & 2 pens against.Rudders22 said:
And averages over 4 yellow cards a game.3 -
Clarke`s missed chance in the first minute, Kaminski`s error with their first goal and the ref`s enthusiam with yellow cards against us completely ruined the game.
We looked like a team who had never played together before and our lack of fight for the ball allowed Portsmouth to dominate everything.
How can the ability and concentration shown in the previous three games just disappear like that?
I hope Nathan has the answer.
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Portsmouth just wanted it more than we did...4
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I think the problem is that he does have a plan and while it looks good when it works, it's the only plan he's got and when someone does work out how to counter it we just.... keep on doing the same thing.TheHerminator said:
Would it be fair to say then, that some should maybe temper the constant ups and downs and find a middle ground?AberystwythAddick said:
No one’s called for him to get sacked after last night though.TheHerminator said:
Not sure who you're referring to here? In case it was me I haven't mentioned that he should be immune from being criticised. I'm saying that depending on the result he's either best thing since sliced bread, or the worst hoofball manager ever and should be sacked.AberystwythAddick said:No one is immune from criticism. Jones got it wrong yesterday. This is not a difficult concept to understand.
This forum seems incapable in the main of being objective and finding a middle ground on that opinion. As someone else pointed out it's football fans in general I'm sure, but I personally am really bored of the constant flipping between saying he's incredible one week then wanting him sacked the nextFans are allowed to be frustrated and critical of the performance.
When we're doing well it's because Jones has brilliantly set us up to disrupt and our pressure has lead to goals.
When we've done badly it's aimless hoofball and he needs some new ideas.
He very clearly has a game plan, sometimes it works really well, other times it looks dreadful. The bit that frustrates me is people lauding it when it works, only to say its aimless and brain dead when it doesn't.
He's not a bad manager just because he lost last night and he wouldn't be a genius based on the games he won but I think it's fair to say that improvising or adapting when things don't go as planned is not something he's very good at.3 -
We are what we are this season but everyone can see the team needs to evolve it's style of play if it's going to survive, let alone thrive going forward. The question, which I'm sure the ownership are asking themselves, is can Jones be trusted to deliver that evolution?2
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It doesn't matter if it did. It has still hit his outstretched arm.fenaddick said:
Not if it hits his chest firstRedskin said:JamesSeed said:
Right on the edge of the area, clearly not intentional, his arm wasn’t stretched out in order to make himself bigger, the ball was whacked at him with some speed. Any sensible ref would have processed all that and given a free kick on the edge of the area IMHO. Sky team thought it was very soft FWIW.bobmunro said:
Lino gave it I believe. Bell's arm was not in a natural position and definitely a penalty.guinnessaddick said:
I thought it was a pen, not sure how the ref saw it, as Bell would have blocked his view.CAFCFW05 said:
Maybe I am part of the minority, but in this stage of football, unfortunately it is a pen. Would’ve been given with VARcafcnick1992 said:The first few pages of these threads are always angry posts with little longer term perspective.
We're at 7 points from 12 since the Millwall performance - not terrible for a relegation-fighting team. We're also 7 points from the relegation spots and have shown real fight Vs Stoke and QPR.
I thought a few things went against us today early in the game and it was enough to rock us.
1. The ref simply wouldn't allow any contact between players which goes against our playing style.
2. Kiminski gifting Pompey a goal
3. A terrible decision by the ref to award a penalty
It's disappointing we couldn't recover but that's life in the Championship. Those whining and moaning about where we are in the table would be happier if we were 4th in League One. We're a new championship team - these results will happen.
For what's it worth, I thought the Portsmouth players were a credit to their badge tonight. Fought really hard and deserved the win.But we would probably have lost anyway, because we have to over-perform to score points, with the squad that we have, sadly.
That's a clear penalty.0 -
It will be an achievement if NJ keeps us up but I can't see a lot of progress in terms of the footvall we play. We're pretty poor to watch and our midfield lacks pace and quality.
If we stay up we will undoubtedly be in another relegation battle next season...
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They did a job on our wing backs, as they stopped their attacking threat, which is running down the wings and getting crosses in. Chambers, like lots of young PL academy full backs these days, is clearly better at the attacking side of the game, and instead was forced to mainly defend all night.Bailey said:
I might take issue with the 'excellent job on our wing backs' Killer. Our wing backs made it very easy for them. Games have moments that can affect the eventual outcome, Clarke misses an easy chance in the first minute, Chambers fails to stop the advancing Devlin before he unleashes a 25 yard shot that the keeper should stop. Clarke earned himself an unnecessary booking and Chambers has an issue with the defensive side of his game. The only loanee who came away with any credit was Fevier, the rest made a major contribution to the attitude and application that Charlton served up last night.killerandflash said:
Portsmouth did an excellent job on our wingbacks, never giving them the time and space to provide our attacking width. And once you do that, the first half tactic of having the two big strikers is completely neutralised.golfaddick said:
I dont think we should be in any particular position after 32 matches. But what I do expect is to see some actual football being played. Passes from midfield along the floor for forwards to run onto. No wonder why Kelman can't score in this team - look at the goals he scored last season & compare that to the chances he has been given this.cafcnick1992 said:
The problem with posts like that is that you never set out what your expectations are.BigDiddy said:
No - I don’t accept any of that.cafcnick1992 said:The first few pages of these threads are always angry posts with little longer term perspective.
We're at 7 points from 12 since the Millwall performance - not terrible for a relegation-fighting team. We're also 7 points from the relegation spots and have shown real fight Vs Stoke and QPR.
I thought a few things went against us today early in the game and it was enough to rock us.
1. The ref simply wouldn't allow any contact between players which goes against our playing style.
2. Kiminski gifting Pompey a goal
3. A terrible decision by the ref to award a penalty
It's disappointing we couldn't recover but that's life in the Championship. Those whining and moaning about where we are in the table would be happier if we were 4th in League One. We're a new championship team - these results will happen.
For what's it worth, I thought the Portsmouth players were a credit to their badge tonight. Fought really hard and deserved the win.
We were shite tonight and NJ is clueless when things go wrong.
Do you think we should be comfortably mid table?
I also expect wingers to cross the ball for strikers to attack. Leaburn is 6ft 5 but not once did he have a ball to run onto & head at goal. Was the Leicester match an aberration & tonight the norm ? Or was tonight the outlier & on Saturday we'll see Clarke & Chambers whipping in crosses for the strikers to attack ?
TC had pace & trickery but 90% of the time he beats his defender & then creates very little. Feverier did more & scored to boot.
We may stay up but by God if NJ doesn't change his tactics/ formation for next season I couldn't stand another year of this mediocrity.
Fevrier did provide an attacking threat after the break, but as an inverted winger cutting in to shoot narrowly wide before he scored.
An IDENTICAL team to the one who played the first half, also started the first half against Leicester, where our wingbacks provided lots of attacking width, Dykes and Miles combined well and Coady mopped up in midfield. Leicester allowed that to happen, whereas Pompey didn't.
Pompey's press was superb last night, they never gave our players any time on the ball, and gave our wingbacks no space in the first half. Indeed it looked like they had an extra player on the pitch. Plus they played on Saturday, whereas we had the weekend off.2 -
In the 15 times we've gone behind this we've never come back to win the game. Drawing 3 and losing 12 with only Oxford and Sheffield Weds worse than us.
NJ sets up not to concede and nick goals, fair enough but what's the plan when we don't score first because it's clearly not working. Yes TC is a decent option off the bench but the team is set up to not be tactically expansive so trying to change that momentum when you're one or two goals down is very difficult.
I won't moan too much as he's done loads for us and if we even stay up on goal difference I'm happy but in my opinion these tactics aren't sustainable.9 -
Difference seems to be that Portsmouth did their homework on us and the ref far better than we did on them - despite Jones saying he went to watch them at the weekend.6
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I agree. That's why he can play the Coady role, recycle the ball and no frills but he cant advance forward because he doesn't have that ability to pick a pass going forward.Southbank said:
I cannot remember the last time Docherty played a forward pass that went to a red shirt. He either passes it back or sideways or gives the ball away. As a result the opposition midfield either has time to organise themselves or gets the ball to their feet. Disastrous either way.king addick said:I like the effort Doc puts in and he is better suited to playing the role that Coady is currently playing. Tidy up, get rid.
Reason being is that he is so limited on the ball. His passing, even if basic, is woeful. He cant play where he does and not have the ability to pass a simple ball.
Carey who carries the ball well and does some decent things at times just cant do the simplest thing...look up! Play a teammate in instead of just shooting against a defender 2 yards in front.
It isnt the strikers that were the issue, Portsmouth CBs are physical, I get the thinking but having a midfield who cant control a game is the worry. Ebou Adams done that on his own!
And again, I rate Carey but he doesn't look up enough to play the ball thats needed. Which then means we have 2 CMs who cant pass the ball. Ebou Adams is the type of player we need. Can pass the ball, works hard off the ball and sticks a foot in when needed. That one player had all the traits our 2 didnt have between them.
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Said it before I’ll say it again, us not getting Ethan Galbraith was one of the worst things that could’ve happened this seasonking addick said:
I agree. That's why he can play the Coady role, recycle the ball and no frills but he cant advance forward because he doesn't have that ability to pick a pass going forward.Southbank said:
I cannot remember the last time Docherty played a forward pass that went to a red shirt. He either passes it back or sideways or gives the ball away. As a result the opposition midfield either has time to organise themselves or gets the ball to their feet. Disastrous either way.king addick said:I like the effort Doc puts in and he is better suited to playing the role that Coady is currently playing. Tidy up, get rid.
Reason being is that he is so limited on the ball. His passing, even if basic, is woeful. He cant play where he does and not have the ability to pass a simple ball.
Carey who carries the ball well and does some decent things at times just cant do the simplest thing...look up! Play a teammate in instead of just shooting against a defender 2 yards in front.
It isnt the strikers that were the issue, Portsmouth CBs are physical, I get the thinking but having a midfield who cant control a game is the worry. Ebou Adams done that on his own!
And again, I rate Carey but he doesn't look up enough to play the ball thats needed. Which then means we have 2 CMs who cant pass the ball. Ebou Adams is the type of player we need. Can pass the ball, works hard off the ball and sticks a foot in when needed. That one player had all the traits our 2 didnt have between them.
That is a massive worry.4 -
The difference in style of play last night and the boro’v cov game is miles apart,they passed the ball quickly and intricately and were brave and took some risk, now I’m not expecting that but halfway between that and what we are doing would be an improvement, our players look scared to have the ball for more than a second and then the rest of them don’t anticipate anything where all opposition seem to. Even Conor Coventry turned into Doc 2.0 last night when he came on, we are allergic to the football!!2
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Idiots.elbiglad said:I heard several people near me calling for him to be sacked at the end of the game last night. Now I'm not saying they were upstanding citizens and MENSA members, but they were definitely calling for him to go.6 -
Thats probably the most accurate post on this thread.eastterrace6168 said:Portsmouth just wanted it more than we did...2
