I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

Callumcafc said:

The Red Robin said:

If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?

We all know you dislike him but I would warn you - there were Luton fans just like you two or three years ago.

elbiglad said:

shine166 said:

CAFCBourne said:

The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means. 

We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.

The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.

As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.

That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.

This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.

Was the football pretty in league 1 ? 

It was effective. We won a lot of games. Got promoted. Ask teams like Bolton and Barnsley where pretty football in league one gets you. Not sure when we became such snobs! 

Did you enjoy us trying to play out under Ben Garner? With Ryan Inniss picking the ball up in the penalty box? 

shine166 said:

elbiglad said:

shine166 said:

CAFCBourne said:

The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means. 

We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.

The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.

As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.

That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.

This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.

Was the football pretty in league 1 ? 

It was effective. We won a lot of games. Got promoted. Ask teams like Bolton and Barnsley where pretty football in league one gets you. Not sure when we became such snobs! 

Did you enjoy us trying to play out under Ben Garner? With Ryan Inniss picking the ball up in the penalty box? 

My point is its exactly the same football, nothing will change next year as its the same as last year.

NabySarr said:

The Red Robin said:

If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?

Would be absolute madness to get rid of Jones. Some of our fans honestly deserve league 1. He’s taken us from 20th in league 1 to 18th in the championship in 2 years and it’s still not enough for some people. The entitlement and tantrum every time we lose a game is embarrassing 

oohaahmortimer said:

Callumcafc said:

The Red Robin said:

If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?

We all know you dislike him but I would warn you - there were Luton fans just like you two or three years ago.

didn't he walk out of them in 10th position and they got promoted to the Prem ?? yes subsequently a double relegation 

Crispywood said:

Treacey1969 said:

Seriously how can you want NJ to be in charge. Notwithstanding his antics when we win his behaviour after Stoke but most importantly last night against a fan in the covered end after the game was manic. You have to worry if this at times is transferred to the players. We all can pick formations and players but I feel his ability to recognise his formation is being worked out by other managers is poor. We of course have no divine right to win every game and it's often said that survival this season would be a win. The reality however is that last minute winners plus typically the luck against Sheffield United have kept us out of the bottom 3. The football is not pretty and not inventive enough plus yesterday against pompey there was little fight. Yes NJ did great to get us out of Division 1 but it's the championship now (obviously) and too often his team is lacking. For me he has to go.

A managers job is to win football matches end of. If you think Jones isn’t the man to get results then that’s fair enough and that’s a fair discussion . 

But wanting him out based on not playing pretty and inventive football and not sucking up to the fans 24/7 shows A) a sense of entitlement that we think we can out play teams with a below average squad for this level and B that you let feelings and emotions override logic which is ironic because that is exactly what Jones get criticised for. 

Dean Holden tries to play better football than Nathan Jones and is 100x more likeable but that doesn’t mean he’s a better manager than Jones. 

Jones is not exempt from criticism and he isn’t flawless but he is overachieving in comparison to his budget and quality of the squad 

Treacey1969 said:

Crispywood said:

Treacey1969 said:

Seriously how can you want NJ to be in charge. Notwithstanding his antics when we win his behaviour after Stoke but most importantly last night against a fan in the covered end after the game was manic. You have to worry if this at times is transferred to the players. We all can pick formations and players but I feel his ability to recognise his formation is being worked out by other managers is poor. We of course have no divine right to win every game and it's often said that survival this season would be a win. The reality however is that last minute winners plus typically the luck against Sheffield United have kept us out of the bottom 3. The football is not pretty and not inventive enough plus yesterday against pompey there was little fight. Yes NJ did great to get us out of Division 1 but it's the championship now (obviously) and too often his team is lacking. For me he has to go.

A managers job is to win football matches end of. If you think Jones isn’t the man to get results then that’s fair enough and that’s a fair discussion . 

But wanting him out based on not playing pretty and inventive football and not sucking up to the fans 24/7 shows A) a sense of entitlement that we think we can out play teams with a below average squad for this level and B that you let feelings and emotions override logic which is ironic because that is exactly what Jones get criticised for. 

Dean Holden tries to play better football than Nathan Jones and is 100x more likeable but that doesn’t mean he’s a better manager than Jones. 

Jones is not exempt from criticism and he isn’t flawless but he is overachieving in comparison to his budget and quality of the squad 

What a pathetic response. Mine is an opinion yet you criticise by stating a "sense of entitlement"

As a supporter of 60 odd years I think it's OK to have an opinion not an entitlement. Obviously others may not agree with that stance but mine is logic not emotions.

End of.