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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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I wasn’t digging the teamFreshHaddock said:
I think a combination of having broken their run of poor results against us at Fratton park, a Jimmy Seed stand that was absolutely up for it, and some complacency on our part following the Stoke match, sprinkled with a little bit of overzealous refereeing could easily explain yesterdays terrible result. And I haven't even mentioned the fact that their backs are to the wall - they are still 3 points behind us! You are right though, we could do with a bit more steel in midfield, although with yesterdays ref that could easily have lead to a sending off!AndyG said:Portsmouth they are at the bottom but played through us seemingly at will whereas we may as well not have a midfield.
I don't think Dykes and Leaburn upfront really helped, we needed some pace to keep them on the back foot.
Kaminski has his off days, and yesterday he had a howler with the first one, but I've seen some cracking saves from him that have won us a lot of points this season. You don't get this many clean sheets with a rubbish keeper.
or NJ out mate I meant NJ’s style is be hard to beat and he seems to handcuff anyone that wants to go forward. He prefers to try and coach players into this system such as Apter and TC rather than try to play to their strengths. My feeling is over time you won’t stay in this league trying to grind out 1-0 results teams will work you out. When I watch the EFL program most teams are playing a different game than us in terms of passing and moving whereas we are so rigid that can only be coaching setting it up like this1 -
The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means.
We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.
As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.
That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.
This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.
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Croydon said:
I have been a big Kelman backer but I'm not sure bragging about 4 goals is quite the gotcha you think it isJustFloydRoad said:AberystwythAddick said:
I saw this on Twitter, written out this is dire recruitment.Looks crap, system isn't for him?!Obvs a twatter comment Kelman is (joint if your including cup competitions*) second highest scorer this season. Hate this fanbase sometimes 🤦♂️*- even then the joint player would be Leaburn and the same people will be hating on him.J BLOCK said:
I don't know how anyone could have watched Kelman all season and think he's been successful. Been way off it IMO and can't see him being a Championship striker.JustFloydRoad said:AberystwythAddick said:I saw this on Twitter, written out this is dire recruitment.Looks crap, system isn't for him?!Obvs a twatter comment Kelman is (joint if your including cup competitions*) second highest scorer this season. Hate this fanbase sometimes 🤦♂️*- even then the joint player would be Leaburn and the same people will be hating on him.Not bragging about 4 goals, but saying he is the second top scorer (first among the forwards) out of the squad. So if he isn't a Championship striker neither is a forward line.Another point I'd make is did we bragged about he touch in the build up play to that Bree goal at Derby, or was that just a solo effort (whatever you say that point will prove valuable come the end of the season).This talk just seems similar to I would hered from QPR fans at the start of the season (you wasted money on him, he doesn't fit your system, he isn't right for this league) 🤦♂️.
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CAFCBourne said:
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.We've always played 3-5-2?At the start of the season it was Apter at Right Wing-Back trying to replicate Small, with Ramsay, Jones and Bell in the middle and Edwards on the Left... It looks like a flat four, because when we attack, one Wing-Back stays back, whilst the other goes forward, its even what we're doing now.3 -
You’re so close to getting itJ BLOCK said:
I don't know how anyone could have watched Kelman all season and think he's been successful. Been way off it IMO and can't see him being a Championship striker.JustFloydRoad said:AberystwythAddick said:I saw this on Twitter, written out this is dire recruitment.Looks crap, system isn't for him?!Obvs a twatter comment Kelman is (joint if your including cup competitions*) second highest scorer this season. Hate this fanbase sometimes 🤦♂️*- even then the joint player would be Leaburn and the same people will be hating on him.Not bragging about 4 goals, but saying he is the second top scorer (first among the forwards) out of the squad. So if he isn't a Championship striker neither is a forward line.Another point I'd make is did we bragged about he touch in the build up play to that Bree goal at Derby, or was that just a solo effort (whatever you say that point will prove valuable come the end of the season).This talk just seems similar to I would hered from QPR fans at the start of the season (you wasted money on him, he doesn't fit your system, he isn't right for this league) 🤦♂️.3 -
Quite a few saying it’s all about staying up no matter how, I get and agree mostly, but then what is the plan for next season and how is it going to change? Is NJ suddenly going to change his philosophy in a pre season? We’re not going to suddenly turn the players we have into an easy on the eye ball playing football team I wouldn’t imagine. I’m a bit curious about the strategy going forward.10
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For me next season would be about consolidation and a start to evolve the way we play. I don't expect 2010 Barcelona but a bit more passing and moving wouldn't go a miss. We have 7 players (not including Terry Taylor) set to not be with us next season and I would expect some others to hopefully move on too. That's potentially 10 players we could bring in to improve our quality on the ball, that's before you include the hopeful progression of players like Fullah. This summer is a real opportunity to take a step towards being a team that at least isn't scared of possession.Sword65pf said:Quite a few saying it’s all about staying up no matter how, I get and agree mostly, but then what is the plan for next season and how is it going to change? Is NJ suddenly going to change his philosophy in a pre season? We’re not going to suddenly turn the players we have into an easy on the eye ball playing football team I wouldn’t imagine. I’m a bit curious about the strategy going forward.7 -
Is NJ up to doing this though?, I’m fully behind him as it stands, however for the 1st time I’m really asking questions after a few iffy performances out of the blue after a little run of more promising stuff, we seem to just collapse for a game and it’s becoming slightly more regular, probably because of the league we are in I guess. NJ style of football I think is being faded out as a successful approach by some real good football even from teams considered to be relegation worthy. I’m really not sure he can change enough, I suppose we will find out.fenaddick said:
For me next season would be about consolidation and a start to evolve the way we play. I don't expect 2010 Barcelona but a bit more passing and moving wouldn't go a miss. We have 7 players (not including Terry Taylor) set to not be with us next season and I would expect some others to hopefully move on too. That's potentially 10 players we could bring in to improve our quality on the ball, that's before you include the hopeful progression of players like Fullah. This summer is a real opportunity to take a step towards being a team that at least isn't scared of possession.Sword65pf said:Quite a few saying it’s all about staying up no matter how, I get and agree mostly, but then what is the plan for next season and how is it going to change? Is NJ suddenly going to change his philosophy in a pre season? We’re not going to suddenly turn the players we have into an easy on the eye ball playing football team I wouldn’t imagine. I’m a bit curious about the strategy going forward.1 -
This is exactly where I'm at. I want to see the progression from going route one and bypassing the midfield to actually having a midfield that want to get on the ball and keep it. This obviously isn't a cheap endeavour but I'd like to think Chapples recent trips around the world have been to start to identify players that can do this.fenaddick said:
For me next season would be about consolidation and a start to evolve the way we play. I don't expect 2010 Barcelona but a bit more passing and moving wouldn't go a miss. We have 7 players (not including Terry Taylor) set to not be with us next season and I would expect some others to hopefully move on too. That's potentially 10 players we could bring in to improve our quality on the ball, that's before you include the hopeful progression of players like Fullah. This summer is a real opportunity to take a step towards being a team that at least isn't scared of possession.Sword65pf said:Quite a few saying it’s all about staying up no matter how, I get and agree mostly, but then what is the plan for next season and how is it going to change? Is NJ suddenly going to change his philosophy in a pre season? We’re not going to suddenly turn the players we have into an easy on the eye ball playing football team I wouldn’t imagine. I’m a bit curious about the strategy going forward.
Quality on the ball has got to be the number 1 thing to address. I'm not expecting some European No10 that is great on the ball and completely a luxury out of possession but we need a solid foundation in there.1 -
He did it to an extent at Luton. He clearly has other ideas as we're sometimes playing 4 formations in a game. The problem is he's had to focus so hard on making us hard to beat, we are still playing above the level of much of the squad. With better players who have greater positional awareness and tactical acumen he should be able to focus on evolving the style of playSword65pf said:
Is NJ up to doing this though?, I’m fully behind him as it stands, however for the 1st time I’m really asking questions after a few iffy performances out of the blue after a little run of more promising stuff, we seem to just collapse for a game and it’s becoming slightly more regular, probably because of the league we are in I guess. NJ style of football I think is being faded out as a successful approach by some real good football even from teams considered to be relegation worthy. I’m really not sure he can change enough, I suppose we will find out.fenaddick said:
For me next season would be about consolidation and a start to evolve the way we play. I don't expect 2010 Barcelona but a bit more passing and moving wouldn't go a miss. We have 7 players (not including Terry Taylor) set to not be with us next season and I would expect some others to hopefully move on too. That's potentially 10 players we could bring in to improve our quality on the ball, that's before you include the hopeful progression of players like Fullah. This summer is a real opportunity to take a step towards being a team that at least isn't scared of possession.Sword65pf said:Quite a few saying it’s all about staying up no matter how, I get and agree mostly, but then what is the plan for next season and how is it going to change? Is NJ suddenly going to change his philosophy in a pre season? We’re not going to suddenly turn the players we have into an easy on the eye ball playing football team I wouldn’t imagine. I’m a bit curious about the strategy going forward.2 -
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When you have to include a single touch in a game from September as a highlight, then it tells you everything you need to know.JustFloydRoad said:Croydon said:
I have been a big Kelman backer but I'm not sure bragging about 4 goals is quite the gotcha you think it isJustFloydRoad said:AberystwythAddick said:I saw this on Twitter, written out this is dire recruitment.Looks crap, system isn't for him?!Obvs a twatter comment Kelman is (joint if your including cup competitions*) second highest scorer this season. Hate this fanbase sometimes 🤦♂️*- even then the joint player would be Leaburn and the same people will be hating on him.J BLOCK said:
I don't know how anyone could have watched Kelman all season and think he's been successful. Been way off it IMO and can't see him being a Championship striker.JustFloydRoad said:AberystwythAddick said:I saw this on Twitter, written out this is dire recruitment.Looks crap, system isn't for him?!Obvs a twatter comment Kelman is (joint if your including cup competitions*) second highest scorer this season. Hate this fanbase sometimes 🤦♂️*- even then the joint player would be Leaburn and the same people will be hating on him.Not bragging about 4 goals, but saying he is the second top scorer (first among the forwards) out of the squad. So if he isn't a Championship striker neither is a forward line.Another point I'd make is did we bragged about he touch in the build up play to that Bree goal at Derby, or was that just a solo effort (whatever you say that point will prove valuable come the end of the season).This talk just seems similar to I would hered from QPR fans at the start of the season (you wasted money on him, he doesn't fit your system, he isn't right for this league) 🤦♂️.
He goes missing for large parts of games, is physically bullied 100% of the time and was sold to us by another mid table Championship team who felt he wasn't up to their standards.0 -
What was the plan between Jones’ first third of the season and the next one (when we got promoted)?Sword65pf said:Quite a few saying it’s all about staying up no matter how, I get and agree mostly, but then what is the plan for next season and how is it going to change? Is NJ suddenly going to change his philosophy in a pre season? We’re not going to suddenly turn the players we have into an easy on the eye ball playing football team I wouldn’t imagine. I’m a bit curious about the strategy going forward.
The reason the plan is to stay up no matter what is to give us options for the summer to build, improve and progress.0 -
Surely the players aren’t that bad he feels he can’t get them playing better stuff a bit more often, because on occasion we have actually had spells of good football throughout the season, just not enough, quite often like last night our tactics were so basic, and I mean like watching kids football where they just hoof it, you may laugh, but my sons under 11 side at least try to play more passes to feet and incorporate more skill in they’re football than we did last night in relative terms of level. It wasn’t a one off last night either.fenaddick said:
He did it to an extent at Luton. He clearly has other ideas as we're sometimes playing 4 formations in a game. The problem is he's had to focus so hard on making us hard to beat, we are still playing above the level of much of the squad. With better players who have greater positional awareness and tactical acumen he should be able to focus on evolving the style of playSword65pf said:
Is NJ up to doing this though?, I’m fully behind him as it stands, however for the 1st time I’m really asking questions after a few iffy performances out of the blue after a little run of more promising stuff, we seem to just collapse for a game and it’s becoming slightly more regular, probably because of the league we are in I guess. NJ style of football I think is being faded out as a successful approach by some real good football even from teams considered to be relegation worthy. I’m really not sure he can change enough, I suppose we will find out.fenaddick said:
For me next season would be about consolidation and a start to evolve the way we play. I don't expect 2010 Barcelona but a bit more passing and moving wouldn't go a miss. We have 7 players (not including Terry Taylor) set to not be with us next season and I would expect some others to hopefully move on too. That's potentially 10 players we could bring in to improve our quality on the ball, that's before you include the hopeful progression of players like Fullah. This summer is a real opportunity to take a step towards being a team that at least isn't scared of possession.Sword65pf said:Quite a few saying it’s all about staying up no matter how, I get and agree mostly, but then what is the plan for next season and how is it going to change? Is NJ suddenly going to change his philosophy in a pre season? We’re not going to suddenly turn the players we have into an easy on the eye ball playing football team I wouldn’t imagine. I’m a bit curious about the strategy going forward.1 -
How will Jones aim to evolve the team? I think it’s an obvious one - a better version of what we do now.
- More clean sheets
- Better versions of players we have now - faster, stronger, fitter, more aggressive
- More “game changers” in the team and on the bench
- Better set pieces
More possession, flair and creativity only come into it if those players can do the defensive side and play at the intensity NJ demands. Which is probably why we don’t see as many minutes from players like JRC and Fullah as we’d like, or as many as other managers would give them.
With time and the right signings a club might get up through the playoffs playing that way. I don’t see a need to be a possession based to do well, but something in between would be better to watch.6 -
One things for sure if we dont start playing better more regularly we are going to get very tired of the 'Cheer up Nathan Jones' song sung at us by the oppo fans1
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Thing is I don't think the players in the centre of the park are good enough for that. We all know Doc is limited on the ball and Coady isn't mobile enough to cover lots of ground. Carey is great at driving forward but really poor when it comes to deciding when to pass and actually doing so accurately. Coventry has the legs but is often accused of playing the simple pass all the time, JRC doesn't have much of an engine and I can't remember him making many progressive passes. Replace Coady with a more mobile player, like Ebou Adams, and the midfield is transformed. That goes double if Doc is replaced (possibly even by Coventry) and Carey is absolved of some of his passing responsibility.Sword65pf said:
Surely the players aren’t that bad he feels he can’t get them playing better stuff a bit more often, because on occasion we have actually had spells of good football throughout the season, just not enough, quite often like last night our tactics were so basic, and I mean like watching kids football where they just hoof it, you may laugh, but my sons under 11 side at least try to play more passes to feet and incorporate more skill in they’re football than we did last night in relative terms of level. It wasn’t a one off last night either.fenaddick said:
He did it to an extent at Luton. He clearly has other ideas as we're sometimes playing 4 formations in a game. The problem is he's had to focus so hard on making us hard to beat, we are still playing above the level of much of the squad. With better players who have greater positional awareness and tactical acumen he should be able to focus on evolving the style of playSword65pf said:
Is NJ up to doing this though?, I’m fully behind him as it stands, however for the 1st time I’m really asking questions after a few iffy performances out of the blue after a little run of more promising stuff, we seem to just collapse for a game and it’s becoming slightly more regular, probably because of the league we are in I guess. NJ style of football I think is being faded out as a successful approach by some real good football even from teams considered to be relegation worthy. I’m really not sure he can change enough, I suppose we will find out.fenaddick said:
For me next season would be about consolidation and a start to evolve the way we play. I don't expect 2010 Barcelona but a bit more passing and moving wouldn't go a miss. We have 7 players (not including Terry Taylor) set to not be with us next season and I would expect some others to hopefully move on too. That's potentially 10 players we could bring in to improve our quality on the ball, that's before you include the hopeful progression of players like Fullah. This summer is a real opportunity to take a step towards being a team that at least isn't scared of possession.Sword65pf said:Quite a few saying it’s all about staying up no matter how, I get and agree mostly, but then what is the plan for next season and how is it going to change? Is NJ suddenly going to change his philosophy in a pre season? We’re not going to suddenly turn the players we have into an easy on the eye ball playing football team I wouldn’t imagine. I’m a bit curious about the strategy going forward.
The other key point is when we've played good football it's been because we've used with to give our midfielders space, we didn't do that at all yesterday.2 -
If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?
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Would be absolute madness to get rid of Jones. Some of our fans honestly deserve league 1. He’s taken us from 20th in league 1 to 18th in the championship in 2 years and it’s still not enough for some people. The entitlement and tantrum every time we lose a game is embarrassingThe Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?10 -
NJs outburst last night
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I understood the reaction to the Millwall game, but this feels so over the top. We got outplayed last night and lost. It's annoying that they are a relegation rival, but it happens.
Their goals came from a technically correct (but harsh!) penalty decision from a pretty unthreatening position, a 30 yard worldie and a goalkeeping error from 25 yards. Now, there's no denying they played considerably better than us and deserved it but we weren't carved open over and over again. The players didn't down tools. It's frustrating to lose to a game but we can't react like this every single time. It was a bad night. We have to take it on the chin and move on.
We were bad with the ball and lacked the ability to change the game. This is mostly due to a lack of quality and depth in the squad. This has been an issue all year and is why so many are happy with the job Jones is doing; we are more than the sum of our parts. Recruitment is always a bit of a risk, we got some right and we got some wrong. The January business shows that the recruitment approach has changed. Rome wasn't built in a day. If we stay up Jones deserves time to improve on the foundations he has built. People need to have some patience.1 -
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If we do manage to survive this season, I can't pretend that I relish the idea of watching another year of Jones' ugly anti-football. There are no signs that he has any other way of playing. Last season's success largely relied on the same style as the one we are enduring this year.3
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Imagine if the football he served up was as good as his pathetic hissy fits or his touchline antics for the cameras, we would be quite exciting to watch.sammy391 said:NJs outburst last night
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Transfer windows are always hit and miss.
The trouble with last summer though is that it.was very largely miss. The hits being Carey and a constantly injured Bell. If the January window keeps us up then that would be great but mainly on the back of loans and short term contracts. Since our bright season start we have seen a huge amount of L1 quality football. It means this summer we need upgrading across the park again and without a big saleable asset or two to fund it. Small teams like Millwall have made their success by bringing in cheap diamonds, polishing, selling and moving up.
Since we bought Ahadme (complete failure), I have heard lots of our incomings being described as players that played well against us (Tanto, Apter, Kelman came into that category). That is really, really naff and basic scouting.
If we stay up, this summer will be a challenge, finding players who are a step up, want to join a team who have just stayed up and are known for playing very basic football; whilst trying to move on some over paid, failed transfers.
Personally I hate NJs football and have no affinity to him whatsoever. If he has been driving recruitment in recent windows I would think long and hard about keeping him and giving him more funds. I know people will laugh at that but I have thought it for months, it's not reactionary after a defeat (I'm on holiday and they never feel so bad when you don't watch and are far away!).
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Not sure this can be called a hit. A player that his good but for the most part is injured is not a good signing. Agree he is important to the team and our success but can it be a good signing if pre known injuries keep occurring?Athletico Charlton said:Transfer windows are always hit and miss.
The trouble with last summer though is that it.was very largely miss. The hits being Carey and a constantly injured Bell. If the January window keeps us up then that would be great but mainly on the back of loans and short term contracts. Since our bright season start we have seen a huge amount of L1 quality football. It means this summer we need upgrading across the park again and without a big saleable asset or two to fund it. Small teams like Millwall have made their success by bringing in cheap diamonds, polishing, selling and moving up.
Since we bought Ahadme (complete failure), I have heard lots of our incomings being described as players that played well against us (Tanto, Apter, Kelman came into that category). That is really, really naff and basic scouting.
If we stay up, this summer will be a challenge, finding players who are a step up, want to join a team who have just stayed up and are known for playing very basic football; whilst trying to move on some over paid, failed transfers.
Personally I hate NJs football and have no affinity to him whatsoever. If he has been driving recruitment in recent windows I would think long and hard about keeping him and giving him more funds. I know people will laugh at that but I have thought it for months, it's not reactionary after a defeat (I'm on holiday and they never feel so bad when you don't watch and are far away!).0 -
We all know you dislike him but I would warn you - there were Luton fans just like you two or three years ago.The Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?1 -
Or possibly with a eye to a future after an evolution in our play but subject to acquiring better players in other positions to complement these signings. Several possibilities with whats happened here i feelfenaddick said:
You're right that the fees paid were poor and haven't necessarily represented good value. I would suggest we have learned from that though and made better deals. The idea with most of our summer recruitment was they have the ability to kick on over the next 2 seasons when they can then be sold for good money, not working yet but there is still time I supposekinveachyaddick said:
How much did we spend on those 7 though?fenaddick said:Harsh to include Sichenje there. Here’s the other side for a bit of balance
Bell: Free, key player
Carey: Free, key player
Clarke: Loan, Really good until last night, played every game since coming in
Dykes: Free (?), Most assists in the squad for the season, played every minute (I think!)
Chambers: Loan, Promising and great going forward, played every game
Fevrier: Loan, Definitely a punt, glimpses of quality yesterday
Coady: Loan, Played every game since signing and most people were singing his praises since until one poor 45 mins yesterday
So that’s another 7 with a different record. Recruitment is always a gamble and we’ve corrected errors in my opinion
What I don't get is how money is tight yet not one of the players we paid money for has been anywhere near a success.
People said on here the day we signed him Kelman didn't suit our system.
They said Apter was a luxury player and not Jones' type.
Ditto JRC - too lightweight for Jones.
Tanto and Knibbs hardly played so hard to call them complete failures but why spend money on them and not on the positions that we needed to improve upon.
I'm right in thinking that unlike many managers Jones has total control over who we sign which makes it all very odd.1 -
Was the football pretty in league 1 ?CAFCBourne said:The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means.
We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.
As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.
That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.
This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.0 -
It was effective. We won a lot of games. Got promoted. Ask teams like Bolton and Barnsley where pretty football in league one gets you. Not sure when we became such snobs!shine166 said:
Was the football pretty in league 1 ?CAFCBourne said:The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means.
We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.
As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.
That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.
This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.Did you enjoy us trying to play out under Ben Garner? With Ryan Inniss picking the ball up in the penalty box?1 -
What is snobbish about loving the BEAUTIFUL game?elbiglad said:
It was effective. We won a lot of games. Got promoted. Ask teams like Bolton and Barnsley where pretty football in league one gets you. Not sure when we became such snobs!shine166 said:
Was the football pretty in league 1 ?CAFCBourne said:The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means.
We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.
As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.
That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.
This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.Did you enjoy us trying to play out under Ben Garner? With Ryan Inniss picking the ball up in the penalty box?1 -
Nadou said:
What is snobbish about loving the BEAUTIFUL game?elbiglad said:
It was effective. We won a lot of games. Got promoted. Ask teams like Bolton and Barnsley where pretty football in league one gets you. Not sure when we became such snobs!shine166 said:
Was the football pretty in league 1 ?CAFCBourne said:The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means.
We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.
As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.
That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.
This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.Did you enjoy us trying to play out under Ben Garner? With Ryan Inniss picking the ball up in the penalty box?Of course we'd all love to see beautiful football being played... But dont kid yourself... Am sure those who want to see nicer Football, will equally be lining up first to complain when we're losing every week despite playing pretty passes that don't get us anywhere, because we dont have the resources to compete in that mannerReminds me of that mug of a Peterborough journalist who commented that we didnt deserve to go up... Load of bullshit.0
