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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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didn't he walk out of them in 10th position and they got promoted to the Prem ?? yes subsequently a double relegationCallumcafc said:
We all know you dislike him but I would warn you - there were Luton fans just like you two or three years ago.The Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?2 -
He's back!Nicholas said:
Imagine if the football he served up was as good as his pathetic hissy fits or his touchline antics for the cameras, we would be quite exciting to watch.sammy391 said:NJs outburst last night
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-kXkvvbXW5FiogHDx8oYuz9semWte1eQ?si=YlSZfY9sfnYmZdMr2 -
My point is its exactly the same football, nothing will change next year as its the same as last year.elbiglad said:
It was effective. We won a lot of games. Got promoted. Ask teams like Bolton and Barnsley where pretty football in league one gets you. Not sure when we became such snobs!shine166 said:
Was the football pretty in league 1 ?CAFCBourne said:The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means.
We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.
As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.
That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.
This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.Did you enjoy us trying to play out under Ben Garner? With Ryan Inniss picking the ball up in the penalty box?0 -
Who was this directed to?sammy391 said:NJs outburst last night
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-kXkvvbXW5FiogHDx8oYuz9semWte1eQ?si=YlSZfY9sfnYmZdMr0 -
I think he spotted Nicholas in the crowd .....J BLOCK said:
Who was this directed to?sammy391 said:NJs outburst last night
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-kXkvvbXW5FiogHDx8oYuz9semWte1eQ?si=YlSZfY9sfnYmZdMr8 -
I think there’s a big difference between the football we were playing at the end of last season vs start of last season vs now. Maybe not in the play offs itself but the second half of the season I can’t remember any comments about how we were playing. I’m sure the aim is to get to that in the championship but it’s not something that is going to happen overnightshine166 said:
My point is its exactly the same football, nothing will change next year as its the same as last year.elbiglad said:
It was effective. We won a lot of games. Got promoted. Ask teams like Bolton and Barnsley where pretty football in league one gets you. Not sure when we became such snobs!shine166 said:
Was the football pretty in league 1 ?CAFCBourne said:The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means.
We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.
As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.
That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.
This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.Did you enjoy us trying to play out under Ben Garner? With Ryan Inniss picking the ball up in the penalty box?
Personally I couldn’t care less how we play, as long as it’s successful and so far it has been1 -
I'm not so sure. There's some high quality sluggers out there for those with deeper pockets.shine166 said:
My point is its exactly the same football, nothing will change next year as its the same as last year.elbiglad said:
It was effective. We won a lot of games. Got promoted. Ask teams like Bolton and Barnsley where pretty football in league one gets you. Not sure when we became such snobs!shine166 said:
Was the football pretty in league 1 ?CAFCBourne said:The footballs dire but the aim this year is survival by any means.
We've negated our attacking game to achieve this.
The concept Jones is stuck rigid with formation is wrong. We started the season with a flat back 4 but the injury to Edwards forced our hand.
As the season wore on its quite clear that despite our defence being our strongest asset it is only because we sacrifice the attacking game to make it so. We don't have 2 centre backs that could play as a pair without getting exposed.
That coupled with 2 defensive midfielders effectively means we have 7 defensive minded players out there. I'm sure he would like to free the shackles but as we have seen when we revert to a back 4 like Millwall (Last 30) we get exposed for our defensive frailties.
This season has and will remain about grinding out enough to have another revamp next season should we get over the line Jones knows where the issues lay.Did you enjoy us trying to play out under Ben Garner? With Ryan Inniss picking the ball up in the penalty box?
Just look at Millwall!1 -
I understand that, I didn't think you were. Maybe I misread your post but I always expected Portsmouth to be a bit of a banana skin. Perhaps if we had maintained our record at their place, I might have been cocky, but once that went I felt they might smell blood.AndyG said:
I wasn’t digging the teamor NJ out mate1 -
We can all deal with losing. It’s the manner of the defeats that is troubling. And it’s reasonable to question how far this style of football can take us.NabySarr said:
Would be absolute madness to get rid of Jones. Some of our fans honestly deserve league 1. He’s taken us from 20th in league 1 to 18th in the championship in 2 years and it’s still not enough for some people. The entitlement and tantrum every time we lose a game is embarrassingThe Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?6 -
I don’t dislike Nathan Jones actually. He’s done a great job for us. I wouldn’t sack him. Not right now. But I do think he has a ceiling.Callumcafc said:
We all know you dislike him but I would warn you - there were Luton fans just like you two or three years ago.The Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?7 -
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They were 9th, one point outside the playoffs after 20 played and had finished 6th the previous season with Jones winning Championship manager of the season.oohaahmortimer said:
didn't he walk out of them in 10th position and they got promoted to the Prem ?? yes subsequently a double relegationCallumcafc said:
We all know you dislike him but I would warn you - there were Luton fans just like you two or three years ago.The Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?
Not convinced Rob Edwards didn’t just ride the squad Jones built for a couple dozen games and then it crashed and burned the following summer onwards.5 -
Strange bloke aint yaOff_it said:
He's back!Nicholas said:
Imagine if the football he served up was as good as his pathetic hissy fits or his touchline antics for the cameras, we would be quite exciting to watch.sammy391 said:NJs outburst last night
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-kXkvvbXW5FiogHDx8oYuz9semWte1eQ?si=YlSZfY9sfnYmZdMr3 -
Well is wasn't you who he spotted was itOff_it said:
I think he spotted Nicholas in the crowd .....J BLOCK said:
Who was this directed to?sammy391 said:NJs outburst last night
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-kXkvvbXW5FiogHDx8oYuz9semWte1eQ?si=YlSZfY9sfnYmZdMr6 -
Seriously how can you want NJ to be in charge. Notwithstanding his antics when we win his behaviour after Stoke but most importantly last night against a fan in the covered end after the game was manic. You have to worry if this at times is transferred to the players. We all can pick formations and players but I feel his ability to recognise his formation is being worked out by other managers is poor. We of course have no divine right to win every game and it's often said that survival this season would be a win. The reality however is that last minute winners plus typically the luck against Sheffield United have kept us out of the bottom 3. The football is not pretty and not inventive enough plus yesterday against pompey there was little fight. Yes NJ did great to get us out of Division 1 but it's the championship now (obviously) and too often his team is lacking. For me he has to go.8
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No. My season ticket is in the West Stand.Nicholas said:
Well is wasn't you who he spotted was itOff_it said:
I think he spotted Nicholas in the crowd .....J BLOCK said:
Who was this directed to?sammy391 said:NJs outburst last night
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-kXkvvbXW5FiogHDx8oYuz9semWte1eQ?si=YlSZfY9sfnYmZdMr
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A managers job is to win football matches end of. If you think Jones isn’t the man to get results then that’s fair enough and that’s a fair discussion .Treacey1969 said:Seriously how can you want NJ to be in charge. Notwithstanding his antics when we win his behaviour after Stoke but most importantly last night against a fan in the covered end after the game was manic. You have to worry if this at times is transferred to the players. We all can pick formations and players but I feel his ability to recognise his formation is being worked out by other managers is poor. We of course have no divine right to win every game and it's often said that survival this season would be a win. The reality however is that last minute winners plus typically the luck against Sheffield United have kept us out of the bottom 3. The football is not pretty and not inventive enough plus yesterday against pompey there was little fight. Yes NJ did great to get us out of Division 1 but it's the championship now (obviously) and too often his team is lacking. For me he has to go.But wanting him out based on not playing pretty and inventive football and not sucking up to the fans 24/7 shows A) a sense of entitlement that we think we can out play teams with a below average squad for this level and B that you let feelings and emotions override logic which is ironic because that is exactly what Jones get criticised for.Dean Holden tries to play better football than Nathan Jones and is 100x more likeable but that doesn’t mean he’s a better manager than Jones.Jones is not exempt from criticism and he isn’t flawless but he is overachieving in comparison to his budget and quality of the squad19 -
What a pathetic response. Mine is an opinion yet you criticise by stating a "sense of entitlement"Crispywood said:
A managers job is to win football matches end of. If you think Jones isn’t the man to get results then that’s fair enough and that’s a fair discussion .Treacey1969 said:Seriously how can you want NJ to be in charge. Notwithstanding his antics when we win his behaviour after Stoke but most importantly last night against a fan in the covered end after the game was manic. You have to worry if this at times is transferred to the players. We all can pick formations and players but I feel his ability to recognise his formation is being worked out by other managers is poor. We of course have no divine right to win every game and it's often said that survival this season would be a win. The reality however is that last minute winners plus typically the luck against Sheffield United have kept us out of the bottom 3. The football is not pretty and not inventive enough plus yesterday against pompey there was little fight. Yes NJ did great to get us out of Division 1 but it's the championship now (obviously) and too often his team is lacking. For me he has to go.But wanting him out based on not playing pretty and inventive football and not sucking up to the fans 24/7 shows A) a sense of entitlement that we think we can out play teams with a below average squad for this level and B that you let feelings and emotions override logic which is ironic because that is exactly what Jones get criticised for.Dean Holden tries to play better football than Nathan Jones and is 100x more likeable but that doesn’t mean he’s a better manager than Jones.Jones is not exempt from criticism and he isn’t flawless but he is overachieving in comparison to his budget and quality of the squad
As a supporter of 60 odd years I think it's OK to have an opinion not an entitlement. Obviously others may not agree with that stance but mine is logic not emotions.
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Given your 60 years of experience, if survival this season is not a "win", then what is?Treacey1969 said:
What a pathetic response. Mine is an opinion yet you criticise by stating a "sense of entitlement"Crispywood said:
A managers job is to win football matches end of. If you think Jones isn’t the man to get results then that’s fair enough and that’s a fair discussion .Treacey1969 said:Seriously how can you want NJ to be in charge. Notwithstanding his antics when we win his behaviour after Stoke but most importantly last night against a fan in the covered end after the game was manic. You have to worry if this at times is transferred to the players. We all can pick formations and players but I feel his ability to recognise his formation is being worked out by other managers is poor. We of course have no divine right to win every game and it's often said that survival this season would be a win. The reality however is that last minute winners plus typically the luck against Sheffield United have kept us out of the bottom 3. The football is not pretty and not inventive enough plus yesterday against pompey there was little fight. Yes NJ did great to get us out of Division 1 but it's the championship now (obviously) and too often his team is lacking. For me he has to go.But wanting him out based on not playing pretty and inventive football and not sucking up to the fans 24/7 shows A) a sense of entitlement that we think we can out play teams with a below average squad for this level and B that you let feelings and emotions override logic which is ironic because that is exactly what Jones get criticised for.Dean Holden tries to play better football than Nathan Jones and is 100x more likeable but that doesn’t mean he’s a better manager than Jones.Jones is not exempt from criticism and he isn’t flawless but he is overachieving in comparison to his budget and quality of the squad
As a supporter of 60 odd years I think it's OK to have an opinion not an entitlement. Obviously others may not agree with that stance but mine is logic not emotions.
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Said there is nothing wrong with not liking Jones. I get his style is boring his team selections can be questionable but if you think a good manager is based on how nice they are to fans and thinking Greg Docherty is going to control games of football then that’s not logic.Treacey1969 said:
What a pathetic response. Mine is an opinion yet you criticise by stating a "sense of entitlement"Crispywood said:
A managers job is to win football matches end of. If you think Jones isn’t the man to get results then that’s fair enough and that’s a fair discussion .Treacey1969 said:Seriously how can you want NJ to be in charge. Notwithstanding his antics when we win his behaviour after Stoke but most importantly last night against a fan in the covered end after the game was manic. You have to worry if this at times is transferred to the players. We all can pick formations and players but I feel his ability to recognise his formation is being worked out by other managers is poor. We of course have no divine right to win every game and it's often said that survival this season would be a win. The reality however is that last minute winners plus typically the luck against Sheffield United have kept us out of the bottom 3. The football is not pretty and not inventive enough plus yesterday against pompey there was little fight. Yes NJ did great to get us out of Division 1 but it's the championship now (obviously) and too often his team is lacking. For me he has to go.But wanting him out based on not playing pretty and inventive football and not sucking up to the fans 24/7 shows A) a sense of entitlement that we think we can out play teams with a below average squad for this level and B that you let feelings and emotions override logic which is ironic because that is exactly what Jones get criticised for.Dean Holden tries to play better football than Nathan Jones and is 100x more likeable but that doesn’t mean he’s a better manager than Jones.Jones is not exempt from criticism and he isn’t flawless but he is overachieving in comparison to his budget and quality of the squad
As a supporter of 60 odd years I think it's OK to have an opinion not an entitlement. Obviously others may not agree with that stance but mine is logic not emotions.
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so he outperformed NJ with 26 games in charge that season and done what NJ had failed to do the previous season , fair enoughCallumcafc said:
They were 9th, one point outside the playoffs after 20 played and had finished 6th the previous season with Jones winning Championship manager of the season.oohaahmortimer said:
didn't he walk out of them in 10th position and they got promoted to the Prem ?? yes subsequently a double relegationCallumcafc said:
We all know you dislike him but I would warn you - there were Luton fans just like you two or three years ago.The Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?
Not convinced Rob Edwards didn’t just ride the squad Jones built for a couple dozen games and then it crashed and burned the following summer onwards.0 -
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This thread makes me chuckle.
The Jones in crowd are on here when we win.
The Jones out crowd are on here when we lose.
Football fans are a fickle bunch
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Probably not saying anything less than obvious here. Of course, I don't think he should be sacked at this stage of the season. And we are clearly lacking midfield creativity. So he needs to play the way he feels is best and pick the team he feels will give us the best chance in each match. Fair enough. However, do I believe in him as the right person to lead this club in the medium term or someone the players will look back on their careers as a great mentor or influence. Very doubtful. If we stay up the philosophy will need to change and I doubt NJ has the capabilities of doing that.
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The lack of midfield creativity is very much a Nathan Jones choice though isn’t it.Low_Ears said:Probably not saying anything less than obvious here. Of course, I don't think he should be sacked at this stage of the season. And we are clearly lacking midfield creativity. So he needs to play the way he feels is best and pick the team he feels will give us the best chance in each match. Fair enough. However, do I believe in him as the right person to lead this club in the medium term or someone the players will look back on their careers as a great mentor or influence. Very doubtful. If we stay up the philosophy will need to change and I doubt NJ has the capabilities of doing that.3 -
And it has very much worked for 2 years, despite fans calling for it every transfer window and being proven wrong time and time againThe Red Robin said:
The lack of midfield creativity is very much a Nathan Jones choice though isn’t it.Low_Ears said:Probably not saying anything less than obvious here. Of course, I don't think he should be sacked at this stage of the season. And we are clearly lacking midfield creativity. So he needs to play the way he feels is best and pick the team he feels will give us the best chance in each match. Fair enough. However, do I believe in him as the right person to lead this club in the medium term or someone the players will look back on their careers as a great mentor or influence. Very doubtful. If we stay up the philosophy will need to change and I doubt NJ has the capabilities of doing that.4 -
There are plenty of championship teams that do well playing a similar direct style that focuses more on out of possession than in possession. Just look at the league table this season, Derby, Hull, Wrexham and Millwall all show up at the bottom end of the possession stats and are all over-performing this season. I’d even suggest that if you want to overperform your budget in the championship, this style is the way to do it.The Red Robin said:
We can all deal with losing. It’s the manner of the defeats that is troubling. And it’s reasonable to question how far this style of football can take us.NabySarr said:
Would be absolute madness to get rid of Jones. Some of our fans honestly deserve league 1. He’s taken us from 20th in league 1 to 18th in the championship in 2 years and it’s still not enough for some people. The entitlement and tantrum every time we lose a game is embarrassingThe Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?
Jones took Luton from just about surviving at this level, to the play offs. I think we are miles away from his ceiling at the moment so it’s ridiculous to even think about moving on from him
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I support him and appreciate his work, but if we go down I want Jones fired within 4 milliseconds4
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Surely. And whoever it is, he'll have a squad suited for the purpose. We might even dominate a few gamesNabySarr said:
We won’t go down but is there a better manager to get us out of league 1 than Nathan Jones?Leuth said:I support him and appreciate his work, but if we go down I want Jones fired within 4 milliseconds0 -
Correct. But those teams also have an idea and plan of what to do in transition or when they win the ball. It’s quite inconsistent with us. Leicester, QPR and Stoke, we looked much better in possession - both Pompey games, Norwich away, Millwall away, Derby at home, it was clueless, no plan on winning the ball whatsoever.NabySarr said:
There are plenty of championship teams that do well playing a similar direct style that focuses more on out of possession than in possession. Just look at the league table this season, Derby, Hull, Wrexham and Millwall all show up at the bottom end of the possession stats and are all over-performing this season. I’d even suggest that if you want to overperform your budget in the championship, this style is the way to do it.The Red Robin said:
We can all deal with losing. It’s the manner of the defeats that is troubling. And it’s reasonable to question how far this style of football can take us.NabySarr said:
Would be absolute madness to get rid of Jones. Some of our fans honestly deserve league 1. He’s taken us from 20th in league 1 to 18th in the championship in 2 years and it’s still not enough for some people. The entitlement and tantrum every time we lose a game is embarrassingThe Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?
Jones took Luton from just about surviving at this level, to the play offs. I think we are miles away from his ceiling at the moment so it’s ridiculous to even think about moving on from him0 -
Do you not think Jones intends to develop us in that regard. Like last season for the first few months our football was very basic, by the end of the season it was much betterThe Red Robin said:
Correct. But those teams also have an idea and plan of what to do in transition or when they win the ball. It’s quite inconsistent with us. Leicester, QPR and Stoke, we looked much better in possession - both Pompey games, Norwich away, Millwall away, Derby at home, it was clueless, no plan on winning the ball whatsoever.NabySarr said:
There are plenty of championship teams that do well playing a similar direct style that focuses more on out of possession than in possession. Just look at the league table this season, Derby, Hull, Wrexham and Millwall all show up at the bottom end of the possession stats and are all over-performing this season. I’d even suggest that if you want to overperform your budget in the championship, this style is the way to do it.The Red Robin said:
We can all deal with losing. It’s the manner of the defeats that is troubling. And it’s reasonable to question how far this style of football can take us.NabySarr said:
Would be absolute madness to get rid of Jones. Some of our fans honestly deserve league 1. He’s taken us from 20th in league 1 to 18th in the championship in 2 years and it’s still not enough for some people. The entitlement and tantrum every time we lose a game is embarrassingThe Red Robin said:If we stay up, should we still get rid and aim higher? Or at least aim for something resembling a style to our football?
Jones took Luton from just about surviving at this level, to the play offs. I think we are miles away from his ceiling at the moment so it’s ridiculous to even think about moving on from him
I really don’t think Jones plans to just keep playing this way with us. He will add better players and then be able to play better football. If he tried doing it with this group we’d be lower in the table than we are now6
