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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Norwich City: Saturday 21st March 2026: KO 15:00

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  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,942
    panther10 said:
    Another poor lack lustre first half again costly ,our first half of games are mostly sit back attitude 
    It wasn’t poor and deffo not lacklustre you have to give Norwich credit their manager got his tactics spot on and NJ and his team did not …it was pretty obvious that 5 v 3 in midfield your asking the impossible .. as I say was not poor or lacklustre it was we were not allowed to play completely different ..  
  • Photollery
    Photollery Posts: 124
    What is our record like when we have these kids for a quid and £5 to get in games, we always seem to lose…

    No issues with the day trippers some of them might come back but the first time I have seen a kids buggy brought to a game before 😂
    I said this to someone yesterday, I’m sure our record on the kids for quid is dreadful. They visit and never return  :/
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,042
    Definitely not a penalty - Jones went down very easily.


    Why does the defender grab his arm? How do you know the force? You can't. 
    I've watched the replay several times and it would have been an incredibly soft penalty from what I can see. I don't know the force and neither do you.


    Exactly my point. So we don't know the force, what do we know? We know he grabbed Jones' arm. Which he shouldn't have done and we can't come to the conclusion he did it with minimal force as we don't know that. You have admitted you don't know that. So it is a penalty, had he not grabbed the arm it would not have been.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,548
    NabySarr said:
    Sword65pf said:
    NabySarr said:
    cafc_se7 said:
    The scapegoating of TC is an absolute disgrace. During ‘academy week’ aswell.

    Chants of ‘fucking useless’ and ‘he’s fucking shit’, whilst also getting booed when he wasn’t subbed, and jeered when he was subbed. It’s embarrassing.

    This is a lad who joined our academy at the age of 8 and has stayed with us throughout, massively contributing to our promotion last season. Give your head a wobble if you’re one of the ones giving him stick week in week out
    Add to that his first full season at this level. I get the frustrations around areas of his game but the abuse is disgraceful! No wonder he doesn’t celebrate with the fans when he scores, I wouldn’t. 
    I can’t see this conclusion. 

    He simply doesn’t score enough (none of his team mates either)  to claim any sort of pattern to how he celebrates.

    FWIW I’d not be surprised if he’s had his head turned and he’s off in the summer. 
    “Having his head turned”. As in his agent being able to say, “look Tyreece you really dont need to take that shit from your own fans each week. Let me get you a move to a club that wants to play you as a winger”. 


    I hate agents, but could hardly blame this one for saying that to his client.
    Would be a shock to many of our fans that don’t rate him, but if TC moves in the summer it won’t be to league 1 or league 2. Would be plenty of championship interest 
    Well if that’s how it pans out and he’s as good as some would have people believe, we should be getting a lot of money for him? To help with the squad build. 
    Only a year left on his deal, so although it would probably be a 7 figure fee it wouldn’t be that significant. I’d much rather we got him on a new contract and kept developing him 
    Assuming there is any more development to come.
  • CafcSteve
    CafcSteve Posts: 958
    Think something has to be done about poor ref decisions that are costing teams millions players their careers and managers their jobs … Millwall for example beating Blackburn 1-0 , man sent off , how times you watch that you still can’t find one small reason he sent him off .. of course that changes the game .. then on Tuesday or Wednesday they say sorry it was a mistake ??? move on to us we were told on Wednesday that Oxford pen should not have been given again suddenly we are one down instead of winning the game 0-1 ….. I expect we will get another apology this week concerning the clear pen yesterday on Lloyd Jones … whether it’s replaying the game …with pen you could just take that goal off suppose change the result ?? but in the Millwall game .. the game completely changed and who knows that decsion come May could just Millwall 100 mill pounds plus 90 mill parachute payment …!!!!!!! These refs get away with it week in week out
    Change the result after the game 😂😂!
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,548
    Question. When they had two players go down ‘injured’ and they had treatment on the pitch when subsequently substituted why were the subs not made to wait 30 seconds before coming on?
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,250
    Not charlton players
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,042
    That was weird as our player was pushed into theirs really clearly so if the reg is going to blow up for a foul surely it was our free kick. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,809
    edited March 22
    Definitely not a penalty - Jones went down very easily.


    Why does the defender grab his arm? How do you know the force? You can't. 
    The point made on @Braziliance ‘s post match spaces was a very good one I thought. It’s that, if some fans believe Ramsay last week gave the referee a question to answer by lightly brushing Lankshear, then what on earth is McConville doing to Lloyd there.

    Different refs will see things differently but I think it’s undeniable we haven’t got the rub of the green with referees over the last two weeks.
  • Not too despondent over the result we should have had a penalty but didn’t other results went for us largely so closer to achieving safety which was always the aim IMO
    Thought Norwich looked decent and we were competitive.I am fully aware we still have many shortcomings as a Championship side but confident we are heading in the right direction and will be better next season. 
    Most pressing question at the moment is will it be White Hart Lane or the London Stadium!

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  • NorthheathAddick
    NorthheathAddick Posts: 4,129
    Question. When they had two players go down ‘injured’ and they had treatment on the pitch when subsequently substituted why were the subs not made to wait 30 seconds before coming on?
    Also when they kicked the ball out of play for their supposed injured player who did go off…rather than throw it back to the cheats,we throw the ball straight out for goal kick,but soon as the keeper then wasted more time & then kicked ball into play,why was the player then allowed to come on,thought it had to be 30 seconds of play…🤔
  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,321
    IAgree said:
    I have had doubts about the whole wingback system and some aspects of Nathan Jones tactics, selections and style of play. I fully admit it’s not pretty at times, although there are flashes of more entertaining play.

    However,

    He got us promoted from the horror that is league one after a truly dreadful decade - I know this isn’t something which altogether excuses mistakes now, but this is really recent and a real achievement 

    He has kept us up when the step from League One to the Championship is larger than ever. Frankly I would rather stay up and get the points than play pretty football and be back in league one! Although I don’t think it’s an either or situation- It’s still in essence a L1 team.

    I think it’s fairly obvious that the owners are in it for the long haul and have spent money where and when it matters. They are clearly still learning however. I would far rather have sustainable development than the reckless spending and boom and bust of some of our competitors, especially after the last decade.

    I have no problem whatsoever with discussion, debate about the manager, players tactics etc - it’s a football forum after all!

    I do find reminiscence for football two or three decades ago very irritating however. I also find the borderline glee from some lifers when we don’t turn in a good performance baffling. Especially since some freely admit they no longer attend, often appearing to revel in a “ I told you so’ repetition of the obvious. We know we need a better team and recruitment, we know we need greater depth, we know we need some finishers and we know we need  more flexibility from the manager of occasions. Personally I think if we stay up, carefully build a championship squad and make sustainable investments, that at least some of those concerns will abate 





    Don't know why you just didnt name me as it was quite obvious who you were referring to. 

    But anyway........

    Having seen the extended highlights on Sky my take on the game is that -

    We were lucky only to have conceded 1 
    It was not a pen.
    No clear cut chances from any of our players.

    And to address a couple of other points.

    I think we've been lucky this season to be in a division where 1 team was relegated from the off by having such a big points deduction and then not being able to recruit effectively. Then we were thrown another bonus of having another team deducted points. Without those 2 events we would be in the bottom 4 & struggling to stay up.

    Cant wait for this season to end and to see to recruitment planned during the summer. I know I won't get my wish of signing exciting goalscoring attack minded players but at least we should be able to out bid Lincoln to a few stodgy pass it sideways midfielders.

    What a time to be alive.
    Our budget might have something to do with it.
    Just a thought.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,289
    IAgree said:
    I have had doubts about the whole wingback system and some aspects of Nathan Jones tactics, selections and style of play. I fully admit it’s not pretty at times, although there are flashes of more entertaining play.

    However,

    He got us promoted from the horror that is league one after a truly dreadful decade - I know this isn’t something which altogether excuses mistakes now, but this is really recent and a real achievement 

    He has kept us up when the step from League One to the Championship is larger than ever. Frankly I would rather stay up and get the points than play pretty football and be back in league one! Although I don’t think it’s an either or situation- It’s still in essence a L1 team.

    I think it’s fairly obvious that the owners are in it for the long haul and have spent money where and when it matters. They are clearly still learning however. I would far rather have sustainable development than the reckless spending and boom and bust of some of our competitors, especially after the last decade.

    I have no problem whatsoever with discussion, debate about the manager, players tactics etc - it’s a football forum after all!

    I do find reminiscence for football two or three decades ago very irritating however. I also find the borderline glee from some lifers when we don’t turn in a good performance baffling. Especially since some freely admit they no longer attend, often appearing to revel in a “ I told you so’ repetition of the obvious. We know we need a better team and recruitment, we know we need greater depth, we know we need some finishers and we know we need  more flexibility from the manager of occasions. Personally I think if we stay up, carefully build a championship squad and make sustainable investments, that at least some of those concerns will abate 





    Don't know why you just didnt name me as it was quite obvious who you were referring to. 

    But anyway........

    Having seen the extended highlights on Sky my take on the game is that -

    We were lucky only to have conceded 1 
    It was not a pen.
    No clear cut chances from any of our players.

    And to address a couple of other points.

    I think we've been lucky this season to be in a division where 1 team was relegated from the off by having such a big points deduction and then not being able to recruit effectively. Then we were thrown another bonus of having another team deducted points. Without those 2 events we would be in the bottom 4 & struggling to stay up.

    Cant wait for this season to end and to see to recruitment planned during the summer. I know I won't get my wish of signing exciting goalscoring attack minded players but at least we should be able to out bid Lincoln to a few stodgy pass it sideways midfielders.

    What a time to be alive.
    You chat a lot of rubbish on here but this is right up there. If Leicester hadn’t been deducted any points they’d still be below us in the table. We are going to end up comfortably clear of the drop zone regardless of any points deductions 
  • Kingfish
    Kingfish Posts: 5
    NabySarr said:
    sam3110 said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Will be interesting to see how we set up against Ipswich without Clarke who's become key for us, hopefully have Sichenje back by then and then Ramsay to RWB. Wouldn't fancy Fevrier against Jack Clarke or Jaden Philogene
    I could see us going

    Ramsay, Jones, Coady, Bell, Chambers

    If no-one is fit in time for the game.


    One thing we will never do (and shouldn’t even think of doing) is removing Jones from the middle of the back 3 
    Surely someone is going to come in with money the club can't refuse for Jones? He's too good for us.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 29,763
    edited March 22
    Question. When they had two players go down ‘injured’ and they had treatment on the pitch when subsequently substituted why were the subs not made to wait 30 seconds before coming on?
    Isn’t the 30 secs for players in case they have feinted injury and had “treatment”?  So if they are actually injured and they go off, the 30 secs isn’t imposed.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,548
    Question. When they had two players go down ‘injured’ and they had treatment on the pitch when subsequently substituted why were the subs not made to wait 30 seconds before coming on?
    Isn’t the 30 secs for players in case they have feinted injury and had “treatment”?  So if they are actually injured and they go off, the 30 secs isn’t imposed.
    Surely a grey area. Who determines whether they were injured or not? 
  • Question. When they had two players go down ‘injured’ and they had treatment on the pitch when subsequently substituted why were the subs not made to wait 30 seconds before coming on?
    Apparently not.  The substitution can be made straight away as the injured player/s involvement has ended. 

    I note there is a new rule designed to speed up the game for the World Cup - it's not applicable to us yet.  If a substituted player takes more than 10 seconds to leave the pitch his replacement will have to wait 60 seconds to come on.  That would've been particularly pertinent on Saturday as one of the Norwich players pretty much did a lap of honour before leaving. 

    Actually the ref on Saturday got well and truly conned by their time wasting.  I was convinced at the time he was taking note and adding the time on.  I was wrong, 5 minutes was an absolute joke.
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 3,062
    The referee today was either
    1)Registered blind
    2)too cowardly to award the penalty
    3)Bent

    There is no way that is not a penalty he was 5 yards away,perfect view,also referees assistant,what a joke,they dont assist,just give offsides and throw ins,even on throw ins any 50-50 calls they wait for the ref to give the decision.
    I am not moaning about the result,Norwich where good,they found space,passed the ball quickly and accurately,we did not.There goal should have been prevented but was not closed down,we did miss opportunities to score,but overall the better team won.This is the standard we must achieve to remain in this league and compete.I dont really think we are that far away,we have the defenders,we have the battling midfielders,in Kelman we have a striker who could well come good,plus Kanu coming back.We need the cool calculating midfielders who can put their foot on the ball and play at their pace,e.g. Norwich nos.21 and 25 who never seem hurried.They would cost money,so I await with baited breath the summer transfer dealings.
    I think it was more option 2. The ref deemed the tug on the arm to be not that hard. He completely forgot to question why their player was tugging his arm at all but he was that sort of ref. As Nathan Jones said, that was a foul anywhere else on the pitch. That explains it. I said to my brother he was going to ignore their time wasting at the end and he did. You can sort of get a feel for these idiots. 

    I did have a line in recent seasons that we can't complain about the refs too much in League One because it is our fault we were in League One. We have gone up and the standard of refereeing is just as bad, if not worse. I think there is a crisis in refereeing generally, even at the higher levels. It is sad as it takes away from the game. I am a great believer in punishment for poor refs and I hope yesterday's gets that. He deserves it.


    I dont know if there are any sort of assessors that watch games but surely referees should be asked to explain some decisions,they must be held accountable.in our last season in this league we had so many bad decisions which actually resulted in apologies from the efl,in effect referees cost us points and we were relegated by one point.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 17,203
    The referee today was either
    1)Registered blind
    2)too cowardly to award the penalty
    3)Bent

    There is no way that is not a penalty he was 5 yards away,perfect view,also referees assistant,what a joke,they dont assist,just give offsides and throw ins,even on throw ins any 50-50 calls they wait for the ref to give the decision.
    I am not moaning about the result,Norwich where good,they found space,passed the ball quickly and accurately,we did not.There goal should have been prevented but was not closed down,we did miss opportunities to score,but overall the better team won.This is the standard we must achieve to remain in this league and compete.I dont really think we are that far away,we have the defenders,we have the battling midfielders,in Kelman we have a striker who could well come good,plus Kanu coming back.We need the cool calculating midfielders who can put their foot on the ball and play at their pace,e.g. Norwich nos.21 and 25 who never seem hurried.They would cost money,so I await with baited breath the summer transfer dealings.
    I think it was more option 2. The ref deemed the tug on the arm to be not that hard. He completely forgot to question why their player was tugging his arm at all but he was that sort of ref. As Nathan Jones said, that was a foul anywhere else on the pitch. That explains it. I said to my brother he was going to ignore their time wasting at the end and he did. You can sort of get a feel for these idiots. 

    I did have a line in recent seasons that we can't complain about the refs too much in League One because it is our fault we were in League One. We have gone up and the standard of refereeing is just as bad, if not worse. I think there is a crisis in refereeing generally, even at the higher levels. It is sad as it takes away from the game. I am a great believer in punishment for poor refs and I hope yesterday's gets that. He deserves it.


    I dont know if there are any sort of assessors that watch games but surely referees should be asked to explain some decisions,they must be held accountable.in our last season in this league we had so many bad decisions which actually resulted in apologies from the efl,in effect referees cost us points and we were relegated by one point.
    There are assessors but they can only assess what’s in front of them. If the refs are all rubbish at all levels we get the 2nd least bad level 
  • Stuart_the_Red
    Stuart_the_Red Posts: 1,985
    Would love to know what NJ was saying to the Norwich manager on the pitch at full-time!

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 98,781
    Would love to know what NJ was saying to the Norwich manager on the pitch at full-time!
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Championship/comments/1s0dks3/nathan_jones_claims_that_philippe_clement/
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,548
    Would love to know what NJ was saying to the Norwich manager on the pitch at full-time!
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Championship/comments/1s0dks3/nathan_jones_claims_that_philippe_clement/
    It was mentioned on 5Live on Saturday evening and they said it was just sour grapes from NJ. But surely it would have been sour grapes if NJ, as losing manager, hadn't shaken Clement's hand.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 25,489
    Would love to know what NJ was saying to the Norwich manager on the pitch at full-time!
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Championship/comments/1s0dks3/nathan_jones_claims_that_philippe_clement/
    Understand NJ there, basically told him to F OFF, and rightly so...
  • ro_addick
    ro_addick Posts: 313
    Best team won.

    Yes, we hit the bar and should have had a pen but for all our hard graft we weren't as good as Norwich.

    Take the loss, take the break, come back fresh and take the three points we need to stay up.
    Absolutely spot on...summed up in one.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 98,781
    edited March 23
    For context this is the clip that Nathan Jones was unhappy about... and I get it, even the Norwich assistant has to tell Clement that he needs to go and acknowledge him
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,243
    For context this is the clip that Nathan Jones was unhappy about... and I get it, even the Norwich assistant has to tell Clement that he needs to go and acknowledge him
    Love that tbh. 
  • Kinsella87
    Kinsella87 Posts: 565
    IAgree said:
    I have had doubts about the whole wingback system and some aspects of Nathan Jones tactics, selections and style of play. I fully admit it’s not pretty at times, although there are flashes of more entertaining play.

    However,

    He got us promoted from the horror that is league one after a truly dreadful decade - I know this isn’t something which altogether excuses mistakes now, but this is really recent and a real achievement 

    He has kept us up when the step from League One to the Championship is larger than ever. Frankly I would rather stay up and get the points than play pretty football and be back in league one! Although I don’t think it’s an either or situation- It’s still in essence a L1 team.

    I think it’s fairly obvious that the owners are in it for the long haul and have spent money where and when it matters. They are clearly still learning however. I would far rather have sustainable development than the reckless spending and boom and bust of some of our competitors, especially after the last decade.

    I have no problem whatsoever with discussion, debate about the manager, players tactics etc - it’s a football forum after all!

    I do find reminiscence for football two or three decades ago very irritating however. I also find the borderline glee from some lifers when we don’t turn in a good performance baffling. Especially since some freely admit they no longer attend, often appearing to revel in a “ I told you so’ repetition of the obvious. We know we need a better team and recruitment, we know we need greater depth, we know we need some finishers and we know we need  more flexibility from the manager of occasions. Personally I think if we stay up, carefully build a championship squad and make sustainable investments, that at least some of those concerns will abate 





    Don't know why you just didnt name me as it was quite obvious who you were referring to. 

    But anyway........

    Having seen the extended highlights on Sky my take on the game is that -

    We were lucky only to have conceded 1 
    It was not a pen.
    No clear cut chances from any of our players.

    And to address a couple of other points.

    I think we've been lucky this season to be in a division where 1 team was relegated from the off by having such a big points deduction and then not being able to recruit effectively. Then we were thrown another bonus of having another team deducted points. Without those 2 events we would be in the bottom 4 & struggling to stay up.

    Cant wait for this season to end and to see to recruitment planned during the summer. I know I won't get my wish of signing exciting goalscoring attack minded players but at least we should be able to out bid Lincoln to a few stodgy pass it sideways midfielders.

    What a time to be alive.

  • PeterGage
    PeterGage Posts: 1,814
    The referee today was either
    1)Registered blind
    2)too cowardly to award the penalty
    3)Bent

    There is no way that is not a penalty he was 5 yards away,perfect view,also referees assistant,what a joke,they dont assist,just give offsides and throw ins,even on throw ins any 50-50 calls they wait for the ref to give the decision.
    I am not moaning about the result,Norwich where good,they found space,passed the ball quickly and accurately,we did not.There goal should have been prevented but was not closed down,we did miss opportunities to score,but overall the better team won.This is the standard we must achieve to remain in this league and compete.I dont really think we are that far away,we have the defenders,we have the battling midfielders,in Kelman we have a striker who could well come good,plus Kanu coming back.We need the cool calculating midfielders who can put their foot on the ball and play at their pace,e.g. Norwich nos.21 and 25 who never seem hurried.They would cost money,so I await with baited breath the summer transfer dealings.
    Hi Ray. I hope you and your wife are keeping as well as is possible.

    Your colourful language is a bit over the top. Brownie on Charlton TV said it wasn't a penalty, in his opinion. Does that make him either "registered blind, too cowardly to confirm ii was a penalty, or is Brownie Bent"?. The reality is that the decision was subjective and therefore you are entitled to your opinion. The disrespectful comments about the referee is not helpful and does not enhance your post. Regards, your footballing colleague 
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,670
    Possibly a pen on Jones, but the one we got away at Blackburn when Jones dived evens it out. Can't have any complaints. 
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,763
    Possibly a pen on Jones, but the one we got away at Blackburn when Jones dived evens it out. Can't have any complaints. 
    Didn't see the one on Saturday but the one at Blackburn was nailed on. Similar to Oxford