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How Many points for Championship Survival? and How do we get them?

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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,024
    Sheff Weds have taken points off the opposition in nearly 1 in 4 games, they are not the pushovers most think .. added motivation for them to get out of minus points 
    0 wins in 36 league games.
    0 home wins all season.
    6 points in their last 28 games.
    Yesterday was their first clean sheet in 2026.

    They are not pushovers in the sense they don't go and get battered 4 or 5-0 every week, but they are by far the worst team this division has ever seen. 

    Very honestly if we go and lose there then we deserve to get relegated.
  • fattmatt
    fattmatt Posts: 647
    Sheff Weds have taken points off the opposition in nearly 1 in 4 games, they are not the pushovers most think .. added motivation for them to get out of minus points 
    0 wins in 36 league games.
    0 home wins all season.
    6 points in their last 28 games.
    Yesterday was their first clean sheet in 2026.

    They are not pushovers in the sense they don't go and get battered 4 or 5-0 every week, but they are by far the worst team this division has ever seen. 

    Very honestly if we go and lose there then we deserve to get relegated.
    But they have no pressure so they play with no fear and Charlton will go into the game with their trouser legs flapping. 

    After 35 years of supporting Charlton I know for a fact that this has got banana skin written all over it. 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,736
    fattmatt said:
    Sheff Weds have taken points off the opposition in nearly 1 in 4 games, they are not the pushovers most think .. added motivation for them to get out of minus points 
    0 wins in 36 league games.
    0 home wins all season.
    6 points in their last 28 games.
    Yesterday was their first clean sheet in 2026.

    They are not pushovers in the sense they don't go and get battered 4 or 5-0 every week, but they are by far the worst team this division has ever seen. 

    Very honestly if we go and lose there then we deserve to get relegated.
    But they have no pressure so they play with no fear and Charlton will go into the game with their trouser legs flapping. 

    After 35 years of supporting Charlton I know for a fact that this has got banana skin written all over it. 
    They’ve had no pressure or fear all season and they still have 1 win in 42 games. I don’t get why people automatically assume this is a tough game for us but Oxford who are just as crap have automatically picked up. 3 points 
  • fattmatt
    fattmatt Posts: 647
    fattmatt said:
    Sheff Weds have taken points off the opposition in nearly 1 in 4 games, they are not the pushovers most think .. added motivation for them to get out of minus points 
    0 wins in 36 league games.
    0 home wins all season.
    6 points in their last 28 games.
    Yesterday was their first clean sheet in 2026.

    They are not pushovers in the sense they don't go and get battered 4 or 5-0 every week, but they are by far the worst team this division has ever seen. 

    Very honestly if we go and lose there then we deserve to get relegated.
    But they have no pressure so they play with no fear and Charlton will go into the game with their trouser legs flapping. 

    After 35 years of supporting Charlton I know for a fact that this has got banana skin written all over it. 
    They’ve had no pressure or fear all season and they still have 1 win in 42 games. I don’t get why people automatically assume this is a tough game for us but Oxford who are just as crap have automatically picked up. 3 points 
    I do. We are Charlton. 
  • alan dugdale
    alan dugdale Posts: 3,127
    I’m surprised a few on here have been so confident that we’ve been safe for a couple of weeks, some even insulting anyone who dare offer a different view.
    Results in sports are often affected by momentum and form - we have neither whilst others believe us are picking up points.
    It’s ok saying so and so have top teams to play so they’re bound to lose but football doesn’t work like that especially in this league.
    I’d say we are in a spot of bother if we fail to win next Saturday.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 12,035
    Referring to the Sheff Weds game -

    @Chris_from_Sidcup says 

    Very honestly if we go and lose there then we deserve to get relegated.

    which I agree with btw … post gets 3 likes.

    @AberystwythAddick says similar 

    Lose to Wednesday and we will be relegated. We will deserve it too 

    And gets lol’d

    Too many times responses on this forum are angled at who’s posting it and not what they are actually saying.


  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 35,524
    I’m surprised a few on here have been so confident that we’ve been safe for a couple of weeks, some even insulting anyone who dare offer a different view.
    Results in sports are often affected by momentum and form - we have neither whilst others believe us are picking up points.
    It’s ok saying so and so have top teams to play so they’re bound to lose but football doesn’t work like that especially in this league.
    I’d say we are in a spot of bother if we fail to win next Saturday.
    I think a lot of people felt confident (me included) when we got to 48 points with 8 games to go. 50 points is statistically the survival level but I felt 52 would be more realistic.

    Most punters would expect a team to pick up 2-4 points over those last 8 matches, esp when 5 were at home. 

    In fact we've played 4 of those 8 matches, 3 being at home, and we've only picked up a solitary point (which was away from home). 
  • alan dugdale
    alan dugdale Posts: 3,127
    I’m surprised a few on here have been so confident that we’ve been safe for a couple of weeks, some even insulting anyone who dare offer a different view.
    Results in sports are often affected by momentum and form - we have neither whilst others believe us are picking up points.
    It’s ok saying so and so have top teams to play so they’re bound to lose but football doesn’t work like that especially in this league.
    I’d say we are in a spot of bother if we fail to win next Saturday.
    I think a lot of people felt confident (me included) when we got to 48 points with 8 games to go. 50 points is statistically the survival level but I felt 52 would be more realistic.

    Most punters would expect a team to pick up 2-4 points over those last 8 matches, esp when 5 were at home. 

    In fact we've played 4 of those 8 matches, 3 being at home, and we've only picked up a solitary point (which was away from home). 
    Agreed, most of us were confident at that point but we still weren’t safe then. Even now with 1 point from 12, 2 from 15, some are complacent. I also agree with 52 making us safe too.
  • siblers
    siblers Posts: 2,258
    fattmatt said:
    Sheff Weds have taken points off the opposition in nearly 1 in 4 games, they are not the pushovers most think .. added motivation for them to get out of minus points 
    0 wins in 36 league games.
    0 home wins all season.
    6 points in their last 28 games.
    Yesterday was their first clean sheet in 2026.

    They are not pushovers in the sense they don't go and get battered 4 or 5-0 every week, but they are by far the worst team this division has ever seen. 

    Very honestly if we go and lose there then we deserve to get relegated.
    But they have no pressure so they play with no fear and Charlton will go into the game with their trouser legs flapping. 

    After 35 years of supporting Charlton I know for a fact that this has got banana skin written all over it. 
    They’ve had no pressure or fear all season and they still have 1 win in 42 games. I don’t get why people automatically assume this is a tough game for us but Oxford who are just as crap have automatically picked up. 3 points 
    Oxford are in a much better run of form than us but I wouldn't necessarily assume they're guaranteed 3 points either, but they probably have a better chance than us on current form 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 99,219
    edited April 12
    Referring to the Sheff Weds game -

    @Chris_from_Sidcup says 

    Very honestly if we go and lose there then we deserve to get relegated.

    which I agree with btw … post gets 3 likes.

    @AberystwythAddick says similar 

    Lose to Wednesday and we will be relegated. We will deserve it too 

    And gets lol’d

    Too many times responses on this forum are angled at who’s posting it and not what they are actually saying.


    Guess it also depends on the posters history... I find Chris one of the more level headed posters on here, so when he says something its more worthwhile reading and potentially agreeing with, might be wrong, but from memory he's not one to sprint to the panic button every time we lose - If someone else constantly bangs on about how we're getting relegated, and has done for the last 2-3 months, talks about "must-win" games in December (not necessarily referring to either you Damo or Abers), then I'll begin to stop taking them seriously.
    Ultimately far too much weight gets put on the "Like" and "Lol" buttons

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  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 6,241
    I've never thought we were safe, BUT I was confident we'd get the necessary points to reach safety, without relying on the teams below us all being terrible. Which I'm expecting to be 52.

    After the last 2 home games I'm less confident in our ability to get those 3 points. Next Saturday will be a real pressure game for us, whereas Wednesday have nothing to fear. And we'll have to take the game to them as well, which isn't our strength.
    What is our strength right now?

  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,672
    I've never thought we were safe, BUT I was confident we'd get the necessary points to reach safety, without relying on the teams below us all being terrible. Which I'm expecting to be 52.

    After the last 2 home games I'm less confident in our ability to get those 3 points. Next Saturday will be a real pressure game for us, whereas Wednesday have nothing to fear. And we'll have to take the game to them as well, which isn't our strength.
    What is our strength right now?

    Losing at home, we are very good it. Being an excellent host is important.
  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,425
    I'm not a fan of NJ, the footballs been dreadful for the entire time he's been here.
    However he is incapable of doing anything different to what he's done in the past- and he's had plenty of chances to change but hasn't.
    Therefore our best chance of staying up is some grim defensive performances against the remaining opposition.Even Sheff Weds.
    Four no-score or low score draws should do it.
    Just wish I didn't have to watch them.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,736
    I'm not a fan of NJ, the footballs been dreadful for the entire time he's been here.
    However he is incapable of doing anything different to what he's done in the past- and he's had plenty of chances to change but hasn't.
    Therefore our best chance of staying up is some grim defensive performances against the remaining opposition.Even Sheff Weds.
    Four no-score or low score draws should do it.
    Just wish I didn't have to watch them.
    Plenty of chances to change but hasn’t think he proved that last year at Northampton away. He hasn’t done it this season because he hasn’t got the team to play any other way that will yield better results than what we are doing  
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,702
    There is one thing we know for sure and that is that there is not one thing we know for sure.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,633
    edited April 13
    I don’t understand setting a random points target.

    You’re either mathematically safe or you take it one game at a time. Anything else is just noise. 

    -

    We're 5 points clear of the drop zone, but we're at the bottom of the 5 game form table (for non-relegated teams). It just wouldn't be Charlton to operate any other way!
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,430
    I reckon now it is 56pts
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 9,549
    Genuinely thought we'd be home and hosed by now after those last 3 games it's now getting more and more of an edgy look over the shoulder. We never do things the easy way , that's just not the Charlton way. 

    Think it's going to get tight but we'll just about collapse over the line. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,024
    fattmatt said:
    Sheff Weds have taken points off the opposition in nearly 1 in 4 games, they are not the pushovers most think .. added motivation for them to get out of minus points 
    0 wins in 36 league games.
    0 home wins all season.
    6 points in their last 28 games.
    Yesterday was their first clean sheet in 2026.

    They are not pushovers in the sense they don't go and get battered 4 or 5-0 every week, but they are by far the worst team this division has ever seen. 

    Very honestly if we go and lose there then we deserve to get relegated.
    But they have no pressure so they play with no fear and Charlton will go into the game with their trouser legs flapping. 

    After 35 years of supporting Charlton I know for a fact that this has got banana skin written all over it. 
    They’ve had no pressure or fear all season and they still have 1 win in 42 games. I don’t get why people automatically assume this is a tough game for us but Oxford who are just as crap have automatically picked up. 3 points 
    Just a natural reaction to fear the worst. We are doomed as we're going to lose every game and rival teams will all pick up 7/8/9 points despite being equally as bad, if not worse than us. 

    Portsmouth just scraped a win via a 97th minute deflected goal for their first win in 9 games and now people suddenly think they're on a roll.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,672
    msomerton said:
    I reckon now it is 56pts
    That’s ridiculous. It’s probably 51/52

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  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,822
    Have a horrible feeling we will be 2 points clear of Oxford going into the last game.
    Not expecting Millwall to put in much of a performance against them.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,024
    Have a horrible feeling we will be 2 points clear of Oxford going into the last game.
    Not expecting Millwall to put in much of a performance against them.
    We might need to hope they still need points to secure top 4 and a home second leg.

    If not then they'll probably rest players.
  • Have a horrible feeling we will be 2 points clear of Oxford going into the last game.
    Not expecting Millwall to put in much of a performance against them.
    They will, if they don’t get second they will be fighting to get that third place play off spot. Which is obviously the best position you can get going into that. As much as it pains to say they will be going full steam to the end of the season. 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,736
    se9addick said:
    msomerton said:
    I reckon now it is 56pts
    That’s ridiculous. It’s probably 51/52
    Could even be less than that not sure I’d back Oxford to pick up 4 points from Millwall and Derby away and Wrexham at home all 3 with a lot to play for 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,186
    edited April 13
    msomerton said:
    I reckon now it is 56pts
    56 points to survive. Considering Wednesday are down and Leicester can't get 56 points that means you are expecting Oxford to get 4 wins from their remaining 4 and hopefully have a worse goal difference, Portsmouth to get at least 3 wins and a draw from their next 5, West Brom to get 3 wins from their next 4 and Blackburn to get at least 2 wins and a draw from their next 4. Because all of those things have to happen in order for 56 to be the required number for survival. It would be a points total record in the Championship and require all of those teams to go on a run of form that they have not achieved at any point this season. I think that might be a bit of a tough ask.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,382
    msomerton said:
    I reckon now it is 56pts
    56 points to survive. Considering Wednesday are down and Leicester can't get 56 points that means you are expecting Oxford to get 4 wins from their remaining 4 and hopefully have a worse goal difference, Portsmouth to get at least 3 wins and a draws from their next 5, West Brom to get 3 wins from their next 4 and Blackburn to get at least 2 wins and a draw from their next 4. Because all of those things have to happen in order for 56 to be the required number for survival. It would be a points total record in the Championship and require all of those teams to go on a run of form that they have not achieved at any point this season. I think that might be a bit of a tough ask.
    Both Portsmouth and Oxford have only one once in the last five games each. There's only any panic because both of them just so happened to win at the same time (and it also happened to be a week that we lost.)

    I'd much prefer us to have hit a bit of form and be comfortable already of course I would but realistically even if both Oxford and Portsmouth DO hit miraculous form at the last second we'd still have to be worse than not only both of them but also Blackburn and West Brom before we actually get overhauled and dragged into a relegation spot.

    I'm not for one minute saying our performances and our form are any good - they are not. But we're still very much in the driving seat when it comes to securing survival, even if it is a bit tighter than we'd like.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,702
    msomerton said:
    I reckon now it is 56pts

  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,633
    thenewbie said:
    msomerton said:
    I reckon now it is 56pts
    56 points to survive. Considering Wednesday are down and Leicester can't get 56 points that means you are expecting Oxford to get 4 wins from their remaining 4 and hopefully have a worse goal difference, Portsmouth to get at least 3 wins and a draws from their next 5, West Brom to get 3 wins from their next 4 and Blackburn to get at least 2 wins and a draw from their next 4. Because all of those things have to happen in order for 56 to be the required number for survival. It would be a points total record in the Championship and require all of those teams to go on a run of form that they have not achieved at any point this season. I think that might be a bit of a tough ask.
    Both Portsmouth and Oxford have only one once in the last five games each. There's only any panic because both of them just so happened to win at the same time (and it also happened to be a week that we lost.)

    I'd much prefer us to have hit a bit of form and be comfortable already of course I would but realistically even if both Oxford and Portsmouth DO hit miraculous form at the last second we'd still have to be worse than not only both of them but also Blackburn and West Brom before we actually get overhauled and dragged into a relegation spot.

    I'm not for one minute saying our performances and our form are any good - they are not. But we're still very much in the driving seat when it comes to securing survival, even if it is a bit tighter than we'd like.
    Now that’s enough of this level headed talk.
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 11,241
    edited April 14
    Have a horrible feeling we will be 2 points clear of Oxford going into the last game.
    Not expecting Millwall to put in much of a performance against them.
    You need to be a/the form team going into the play offs. Not winning against Oxford would cost them dearly because their opponents and their fans in the two leg play off stage will most likely be much bettered prepared physically and mentally than the Millwall players and fans. It might also mean conceding the difference between home advantage in the 2nd leg. Every little advantage counts in those games. Of course, if Charlton are mathematically safe anyway then go for it Oxford…
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,409
    the whole teams just roll over is a myth we have struggled against side with "nothing" to play for. 

    closer than I would like but realistically we are 1 win away from championship football again next season. 

    knowing us we will beat ipswich at home and lose to sheff weds