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For the record, I have no interest at all in the attendances at Millwall. But it's amusing to see fans of that little club anxiously dissecting their close neighbours' crowd figures.3
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I didnt start the thread comparing us to anyone else. If you read the first post I was comparing this seasons average to our average in 2014/15, other people have since jumped in with the comparisons to other clubs.soapy_jones said:These petty dick waving threads with the puppy stanglers from down the road are pointless...5 -
making things up again arent uMillwallFan said:
Well this season you predicted that we’d get relegated, finish below Charlton, be below Charlton by the time we played in January, have a 1996 esque post Christmas bomb and finally that we would miss out on top 6. Now you’re predicting that we probably won’t go up. If you keep raising the bar then sooner or later you were going to get one correct. 😁DOUCHER said:
true -i meant ours is 50% bigger than yours - oh and we have just stayed up as predicted and your just about to stay down as predicted - and you've won nothing again as per the last 141 years - as predictedMillwallFan said:
Maths not your strong point Douchy (as well as predicting things). Your capacity is 27000. So 50% less would be 13500. Our capacity is just under 20k.DOUCHER said:Millwall have a ground with 50% less capacity than ours - to have a promotion campaign in the championship and not sell out would be hard even for them - they will be adding some new lights for a prem style light show if they go up - the new ground development t will never happen
as for your sister and her Millwall comps, as I mentioned before, we would’ve done that in the past but there’s no way any club would do that when they’re hitting max capacity for most games. We sell out most weekend games now a days and the socials are always awash with people asking for spares. There’s no way we would be giving away loads of comps if demand is that high.0 -
i'd have buried u in facts by now so u wouldn't keep regurgitating nonsenseMillwallFan said:
Thank you. I love a debate about football, the history of it and fan culture in general. I really do try and keep it respectful on here though.jimmymelrose said:He’s hardly bigging up Millwall. He’s just said that he thinks they’re smaller than West Ham and Palace, and probably a little smaller than us still.
He certainly doesn’t come on here to run us down. Why are you starting a ’fight’ with a sensible and friendly opposition fan?
If you don’t want to discuss things with reasonable opposition fans then leave us others to get on with it.Douchy’s alright really. I know his type. All angry on the internet but if we were having the same debate over a pint in the pub he would be a totally different person.0 -
millwall capacity 18k + 50% = 27kMillwallFan said:
Oh, and if your capacity was 50% bigger than ours then that would mean the Valleys capacity would be 30000. Sorry to be pedantic. It’s just in my nature 😁DOUCHER said:
true -i meant ours is 50% bigger than yours - oh and we have just stayed up as predicted and your just about to stay down as predicted - and you've won nothing again as per the last 141 years - as predictedMillwallFan said:
Maths not your strong point Douchy (as well as predicting things). Your capacity is 27000. So 50% less would be 13500. Our capacity is just under 20k.DOUCHER said:Millwall have a ground with 50% less capacity than ours - to have a promotion campaign in the championship and not sell out would be hard even for them - they will be adding some new lights for a prem style light show if they go up - the new ground development t will never happen0 -
i don't - i think we're an average sized clubChris_from_Sidcup said:
Do any Charlton fans say (or even think) we're a big club?MillwallFan said:
See this is the funny thing (to me anyway lol and why I comment on the subject). The vast majority of Millwall fans couldn’t give a toss about being seen as a big club. We actually revel in being the small club who punches above our weight. “Biggest small club in the world” and all that.soapy_jones said:Not bad since we have either been "industrial" or "fucking shit" OR both at home this season.
These petty dick waving threads with the puppy stanglers from down the road are pointless...
We are huge.
They are Smallwall.From what I’ve seen from Charlton fans, on here and in the real world, your fans really seem bothered about being seen as a big club. Not all of you obviously, but a lot. The very fact that you call us Small, (when you’re not that big yourselves) says it all. I mean, our other two main rivals, West Ham and palace, are genuinely much bigger than us, but they never hit us with the small thing.Anyway, it’s all a bit of harmless banter, I get that. But I do think a lot of you do harbour delusions of grandeur. The reaction from some fans on here when I happen to point out that there isn’t much difference in our real life attendances says it all. They genuinely think that Charlton are massive compared to us. I’d say you’re a bit bigger, but there’s not a lot in it. It’s very minimal and closing all the time.Just an observation on my part. No malice meant 🙏
I guess it depends on the context. We were too big a club to be stuck in league one for five years (and 8 years out of 9) i know that much. But we're obviously not a big club in the wider context of football in general. 15 of the other 23 clubs in the championship had a higher average attendance than us this season.0 -
if u built another one of your side stands and one of your end stands, you would have the same capacity - give or take - its why we have a few areas of the ground that aren't full when we have a 20k crowd and yours looks relatively packed when you have a 15k crowd - i try to ignore u but when you come out with nonsense about us counting comps when others don't, i have to put u right - others put up with the nonsense u come out withg, thats up to them - i pull u up on it when i can be arsed - anyway, fingers crossed for tonight ehDOUCHER said:
millwall capacity 18k + 50% = 27kMillwallFan said:
Oh, and if your capacity was 50% bigger than ours then that would mean the Valleys capacity would be 30000. Sorry to be pedantic. It’s just in my nature 😁DOUCHER said:
true -i meant ours is 50% bigger than yours - oh and we have just stayed up as predicted and your just about to stay down as predicted - and you've won nothing again as per the last 141 years - as predictedMillwallFan said:
Maths not your strong point Douchy (as well as predicting things). Your capacity is 27000. So 50% less would be 13500. Our capacity is just under 20k.DOUCHER said:Millwall have a ground with 50% less capacity than ours - to have a promotion campaign in the championship and not sell out would be hard even for them - they will be adding some new lights for a prem style light show if they go up - the new ground development t will never happen1 -
This season there are definitely a lot more "newbies", and in most cases (i.e. excluding special community days) they seem like genuine paying punters.
It's the attraction of the Championship for the neutral/casual/international fans, a reasonably full stadium, opposition you've heard of and a few players you might have heard of. And such people do spend money as well, I was amused that the merchandise stall outside the ground was selling half and half scarves on Saturday for Charlton vs Hull
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Their attendance against us was 19,004 which at the time their highest ever league crowd at the new Den........until they got a slightly higher crowd v Portsmouth a few days later, so their capacity is definitely not 18k.DOUCHER said:
millwall capacity 18k + 50% = 27kMillwallFan said:
Oh, and if your capacity was 50% bigger than ours then that would mean the Valleys capacity would be 30000. Sorry to be pedantic. It’s just in my nature 😁DOUCHER said:
true -i meant ours is 50% bigger than yours - oh and we have just stayed up as predicted and your just about to stay down as predicted - and you've won nothing again as per the last 141 years - as predictedMillwallFan said:
Maths not your strong point Douchy (as well as predicting things). Your capacity is 27000. So 50% less would be 13500. Our capacity is just under 20k.DOUCHER said:Millwall have a ground with 50% less capacity than ours - to have a promotion campaign in the championship and not sell out would be hard even for them - they will be adding some new lights for a prem style light show if they go up - the new ground development t will never happen
I think it's actually 20k but the police don't let them sell some seats in the away end.3 -
We are currently where we should be….a championship team….no need to add anymore seats unless we got to the EPL but even then it would be a gamble as chances are you could go straight back down….Jimmy Seed stand must be about 40+ years old now and probably needs redeveloping….0
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The Den has an all seater capacity of 20,146
The Valley has an all seater capacity quoted as 27,111, but a couple of places believe due to the safe standing and some other changes, it's now actually 26,875
Either way, definitely not the 18k as spoken by Doucher-bag0 -
Well I will say well done to the club, I thought at the start of the season we would average 17000 for the season, so to average 20,000 is very good.1
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It has irked me for a while that we're including comps in the home attendance figures. Here's lower tier block A of the West stand during the game v Preston on 11th April. This was marked as sold out when tickets were taken off sale on match day.
Other blocks very similarly unoccupied in every game, despite seats marked unavailable online. Appreciate there are a lot of season tickets not attending, in great part owing to some awful football. I just remembered to take a picture v Preston. And I'm all for comps and getting new fans in, but a bit of honesty seems to be the missing ingredient for me.
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Those seats were sold out, but the football was a bit crap that day so they all stayed in the fan zone3
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Surely there would ‘t be any comps offered for the Covered End.swords_alive said:It has irked me for a while that we're including comps in the home attendance figures. Here's lower tier block A of the West stand during the game v Preston on 11th April. This was marked as sold out when tickets were taken off sale on match day.
Other blocks very similarly unoccupied in every game, despite seats marked unavailable online. Appreciate there are a lot of season tickets not attending, in great part owing to some awful football. I just remembered to take a picture v Preston. And I'm all for comps and getting new fans in, but a bit of honesty seems to be the missing ingredient for me.0 -
Avoiding the willy waving contest, that's incredible support for a second division.letthegoodtimesroll said:5 -
Coventry proving what success brings.
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Splitting hairs Chris - if you can't use parts of the ground then there's no point having the seats, hence the reduced capacity- i'm talking ballpark anyway - they need to increase capacity in the region of 50% to get in the region of our capacity. If they filled the corners in they might push it up a bit but they'd only do that if they got promoted and by the time they'd built it, they'd be back down and getting 12k so.... any new ground build, like our expansion is pointless unless secure in the prem. New lights for a lightshow will be the extent of their ground improvements - watch them grumble about that next year. Just call me nostradamus.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Their attendance against us was 19,004 which at the time their highest ever league crowd at the new Den........until they got a slightly higher crowd v Portsmouth a few days later, so their capacity is definitely not 18k.DOUCHER said:
millwall capacity 18k + 50% = 27kMillwallFan said:
Oh, and if your capacity was 50% bigger than ours then that would mean the Valleys capacity would be 30000. Sorry to be pedantic. It’s just in my nature 😁DOUCHER said:
true -i meant ours is 50% bigger than yours - oh and we have just stayed up as predicted and your just about to stay down as predicted - and you've won nothing again as per the last 141 years - as predictedMillwallFan said:
Maths not your strong point Douchy (as well as predicting things). Your capacity is 27000. So 50% less would be 13500. Our capacity is just under 20k.DOUCHER said:Millwall have a ground with 50% less capacity than ours - to have a promotion campaign in the championship and not sell out would be hard even for them - they will be adding some new lights for a prem style light show if they go up - the new ground development t will never happen
I think it's actually 20k but the police don't let them sell some seats in the away end.0 -
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When was the last time they had 20k in the ground spotty? You was probably still at nursery.sam3110 said:The Den has an all seater capacity of 20,146
The Valley has an all seater capacity quoted as 27,111, but a couple of places believe due to the safe standing and some other changes, it's now actually 26,875
Either way, definitely not the 18k as spoken by Doucher-bag0 -
I have no idea when they last had twenty thousand pounds in their ground...DOUCHER said:
When was the last time they had £20k in the ground spotty? You was probably still at nursery.sam3110 said:The Den has an all seater capacity of 20,146
The Valley has an all seater capacity quoted as 27,111, but a couple of places believe due to the safe standing and some other changes, it's now actually 26,875
Either way, definitely not the 18k as spoken by Doucher-bag
I presume you skipped all education entirely3 -
You appear to be sitting in a very glass house my friendsam3110 said:
I have no idea when they last had twenty thousand pounds in their ground...DOUCHER said:
When was the last time they had £20k in the ground spotty? You was probably still at nursery.sam3110 said:The Den has an all seater capacity of 20,146
The Valley has an all seater capacity quoted as 27,111, but a couple of places believe due to the safe standing and some other changes, it's now actually 26,875
Either way, definitely not the 18k as spoken by Doucher-bag
I presume you skipped all education entirely0 -
I find it hilarious that you've changed the goalposts near enough every month on here to try and prove a point about our Neanderthalic neighbours, and yet ended up with egg on your face every single time.
When will you learn? I suspect you are indeed an old dog that cannot learn new tricks, and soon enough you'll face the same fate of Candy's old dog2 -
FWIW my understanding is that the club doesn't currently issue the high number of comps it has in the past, although it does sell tickets at low unadvertised prices to schools. I haven't seen a detailed breakdown, but that's what they have told me. We do have, and have for as long as I can remember, a high percentage of non-attending season ticket holders. They are likely the biggest reason for the shortfall between the announced and actual attendances. I am not sure this is true to the same extent at other clubs.
I don't think the problem is counting comps per se; it's counting unused comps. This makes the attendance meaningless as we don't even know if these tickets were given to individuals, and in many cases in the past they weren't.
I think the crowds (midweek apart) have been pretty good off the back of the last decade and better than I would have predicted.6 -
I'm glad they've restarted/still do this. This scheme is what tempted me and my dad (who wasn't really a football fan) back to The Valley after relegation from the PL and is probably part of the reason I still goAirman Brown said:FWIW my understanding is that the club doesn't currently issue the high number of comps it has in the past, although it does sell tickets at low unadvertised prices to schools. I haven't seen a detailed breakdown, but that's what they have told me. We do, and have for as long as I can remember, a high percentage of non-attending season ticket holders. They are likely the biggest reason for the shortfall between the announced and actual attendances. I am not sure this is true to the same extent at other clubs.
I don't think the problem is counting comps per se; it's counting unused comps. This makes the attendance meaningless as we don't even know if these tickets were given to individuals, and in many cases in the past they weren't.
I think the crowds (midweek apart) have been pretty good off the back of the last decade and better than I would have predicted.4 -
Whatever the exact truth of the figures, and whatever whatever Millwall blah blah blah the Sherlock is constipated truth is that promotion has improved the numbers at the Valley.
That is a good thing.1 -
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Surely there would ‘t be any comps offered for the Covered End.swords_alive said:It has irked me for a while that we're including comps in the home attendance figures. Here's lower tier block A of the West stand during the game v Preston on 11th April. This was marked as sold out when tickets were taken off sale on match day.
Other blocks very similarly unoccupied in every game, despite seats marked unavailable online. Appreciate there are a lot of season tickets not attending, in great part owing to some awful football. I just remembered to take a picture v Preston. And I'm all for comps and getting new fans in, but a bit of honesty seems to be the missing ingredient for me.
I would expect not too. The text accompanying the picture concerns the west stand only. The picture is taken from the Covered End but that has no direct relevance.1 -
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If we were to buy the stadium, unlikely in the recent future IMHO, the the Curbsishley needs attention first and we want to build PREMIUM corporate - that is the extra revenue stream we want to focus on - top experiences - top dollar -
We have it all in place if we were able to get to the prem and stay there - actual seats we could fulfill the dream of a fully wrap around stadium but we will never need it unless we are prem for several years in a row.0 -
I find it hard to believe they haven't sold out any games this season.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Coventry proving what success brings.0
