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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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I’m ok with the crazy stuff, I just put it down to passion and drive to do well, if it’s not then the fella deserves a bloody Oscar!! 😂AddickNL88 said:
I completely agree with this. Nathan’s behaviour on the sidelines has often annoyed me, to be honest. Still, I’ve backed him because I didn’t think changing the manager again was the right move and at the time stability felt more important than pushing for promotion from League One at that point.Sword65pf said:
Nothing wrong with questioning him, it’s down to him to prove us wrong if we have doubts, for me I’ve stood firm and been 100% with him, but that’s not to say I’ve wondered what the fuck he’s doing at times, I’ve just felt we’ve had too many changes over the years and the stability is reaping rewards.MuttleyCAFC said:After we lost at Stevenage last season, I was upset with Jones and it felt the players weren't playing for him and he was picking the wrong side. I suggested in a post maybe he had lost the dressing room. I was out of order doing that but at least I learned my lesson. I know a little about football which is a dangerous thing, I don't get Jones but I see what he has done and I am incredibly grateful to him. I'm not going to question him again.I never expected him to get us promoted last season after our rough patch. And keeping us up this term with at least 53 points is a really strong achievement in my view. We had some ups but also downs along the way, bumpy ride and never was going to be easy in such a strong league.
I didn’t understand his team selection last Saturday as well, but happy to be proven wrong again like a few times over the past couple of years.I trust him to keep us up next season as well, although second season in the Champ might even tougher looking at our squad. I do really hope that we can move away a bit from the direct and defensive style we (had to) adopted over the past few months. Yes we got some results but I don't see it as sustainable.0 -
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What we should take into account of is the reason we stumbled over he line is beacuse we had a group of home games where there was only a goal in it and could have gone either way and they went against us. We also have to factor in that we have gone 7 away games unbeaten though we have only won two of those. I think it tells the story that our games this season have been generally tight and early on we were getting winning goals and later were conceding more. I think given the circumstances we should be more than happy.11
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Other than the Bristol City game where we were pretty crap, we were ridiculously unlucky to not get any points at all from the Wrexham, Norwich and Preston home games. Think we created just as much going forward in those games as we did against Hull, maybe more even, but we had poor finishing in those games and 2 excellent finishes against HullMuttleyCAFC said:What we should take into account of is the reason we stumbled over he line is beacuse we had a group of home games where there was only a goal in it and could have gone either way and they went against us. We also have to factor in that we have gone 7 away games unbeaten though we have only won two of those. I think it tells the story that our games this season have been generally tight and early on we were getting winning goals and later were conceding more. I think given the circumstances we should be more than happy.4 -
Are you confusing Bristol with Preston? We didn’t deserve a penny from Preston we were awful after the first 15 mins (in which we did score)NabySarr said:
Other than the Bristol City game where we were pretty crap, we were ridiculously unlucky to not get any points at all from the Wrexham, Norwich and Preston home games. Think we created just as much going forward in those games as we did against Hull, maybe more even, but we had poor finishing in those games and 2 excellent finishes against HullMuttleyCAFC said:What we should take into account of is the reason we stumbled over he line is beacuse we had a group of home games where there was only a goal in it and could have gone either way and they went against us. We also have to factor in that we have gone 7 away games unbeaten though we have only won two of those. I think it tells the story that our games this season have been generally tight and early on we were getting winning goals and later were conceding more. I think given the circumstances we should be more than happy.
don’t think we were ridiculously unlucky in those games though. We played well by our own standards but even in those scenarios it’s a lot of huff and puff and not a lot of real chances and not much of an XG. Some of those were our better performances but we still just weren’t good enough or Bold enough .For comparison, Ipswich had a 2.19 XG against us when we beat them 3-0. Our XG against Wrexham, one of our most promising performances of the season, was 1.34.
anyway, we are up and have a good few months now to sit back and relax and look forward to next season. Well done to Jones for what he’s achieved by hook, crook or nightly prayers resulting in a very generous chunk of the good fortune we needed - however he did it, we stay up and have another season to attack. He rightly gets the chance to see what he can do with the squad this summer and I hope he can get us both away from the relegation zone and off our seats next season!1 -
It's easily forgotten that as the playoff promoted side we were a month behind everyone else. If you look at the signings we made it does suggest we were preparing ourselves for a strong season in league one rather than a season in the champ.
To stay up with a limited budget in that circumstance is no mean feat.12 -
Agree it’s an important point we were a month behind, but I’m not sure we’d have signed many of them in L1 given the fees we spent. We don’t know the exact amounts but from the rumoured amounts it’s over £10m, which is similar to the additional TV money you get from being in the Championship vs L1.carly burn said:It's easily forgotten that as the playoff promoted side were were a month behind everyone else. If you look at the signings we made it does suggest we were preparing ourselves for a strong season in league one rather than a season in the champ.
To stay up with a limited budget in that circumstance is no mean feat.
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According to what NJ and Carter said, our targets have been selected before the play off final. (Which explains Carey being at The Valley for the Wycombe game)Scoham said:
Agree it’s an important point we were a month behind, but I’m not sure we’d have signed many of them in L1 given the fees we spent. We don’t know the exact amounts but from the rumoured amounts it’s over £10m, which is similar to the additional TV money you get from being in the Championship vs L1.carly burn said:It's easily forgotten that as the playoff promoted side were were a month behind everyone else. If you look at the signings we made it does suggest we were preparing ourselves for a strong season in league one rather than a season in the champ.
To stay up with a limited budget in that circumstance is no mean feat.
So, my belief is that this team, in the main, was designed for a real go at League 1...1 -
I think we probably decided on a League 1 Plan and a Championship one. The problem is you can't really go all hog on either until you know what one it will be.2
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I think the lack of time just meant we focused on players we knew well - either because Jones knew them or because we’d played against them in league 1
We’ve got more time this year, and Chapple has been here for longer, and we’ve stayed up so are more attractive to players than we were this summer. We should be able to do much better this window5 -
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What’s interesting is that two of the L1 players we’d have been targeting in either division in Knibbs and Kelman took the longest to get sorted1
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Curbs thinks Nathan is doing just fine, via Rich Cawley
Alan Curbishley has outlined what he believes to be a realistic target for Charlton Athletic to aim for next season.
The Addicks will be facing the likes of Burnley, Wolves and potentially West Ham United in the 2026-27 Championship campaign.
Nathan Jones led Charlton to a 19th-placed finish at the start of this month to ensure there was no instant return to League One.
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19years since prem football, don’t seem that long ago until you read it,ffs!!2
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Nice for people to read but don’t think it’s fair to quote all the Cawley article if it’s only readable by paying for the subscription.
apologies if it’s a freebie , no idea how it works but I do pay for it and is good value for the many interesting articles it has and I would highly recommend a subscription.24 -
True, last time I do it, otherwise people need to pay up for moreoohaahmortimer said:Nice for people to read but don’t think it’s fair to quote all the Cawley article if it’s only readable by paying for the subscription.
apologies if it’s a freebie , no idea how it works but I do pay for it and is good value for the many interesting articles it has and I would highly recommend a subscription.
https://open.substack.com/pub/southlondonsportcharlton/chat?r=3r9m0&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=share
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Some Hull fans wanted their manager sacked after they lost at the Valley which just shows how some people overreact in the moment and don't see the bigger picture.11
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Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
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Yep... and you're not taking into account the fact that we spend £12m to go from a League One > Championship club, and it was barely enough - Millwall for example spent "just" £9m, have spent nine years at this level, and have slowly improved over time to end up where they finished14
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But a lot of those clubs have been in the Championship for years and had built decent squads over that time. We had come up from League One. 12m is nothing and we had to spread that around 7/8 signings.KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
Bonkers to want rid of NJ. Not really sure what some fans expected in our first season back up.17 -
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The flaw with that is not considering wage budget (usually a bigger indicator of quality than transfer spend) and the starting point of squads before the summer and January spending.KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
Leicester may have spent nothing but they came down from the PL and spent 10s of millions in previous seasons.
As an example of the state of our squad, we got promoted at Wembley with Aneke (retired part way through the season) and Mbick (a teenager loaned to L2 this season) as our sub strikers. We had to spend that £12m just to have a chance of staying up. Other clubs would have spent more than us over several seasons and wouldn’t have needed so many signings.
Clubs like Millwall have gradually built a bigger budget through good recruitment and selling players for a profit. Gavin Carter has talked about moving to a mid table budget in the next few years, and needing to improve in terms of what we make from selling players. We’re only at the start of that journey and I think we’ll likely see signs of that this summer with the signings we make and maybe players we sell.
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Admire the mental gymnastics of those who still think Jones has been poor28
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Yes Preston offered Small far more than we could.1
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Fair pointScoham said:
The flaw with that is not considering wage budget (usually a bigger indicator of quality than transfer spend) and the starting point of squads before the summer and January spending.KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
Leicester may have spent nothing but they came down from the PL and spent 10s of millions in previous seasons.
As an example of the state of our squad, we got promoted at Wembley with Aneke (retired part way through the season) and Mbick (a teenager loaned to L2 this season) as our sub strikers. We had to spend that £12m just to have a chance of staying up. Other clubs would have spent more than us over several seasons and wouldn’t have needed so many signings.
Clubs like Millwall have gradually built a bigger budget through good recruitment and selling players for a profit. Gavin Carter has talked about moving to a mid table budget in the next few years, and needing to improve in terms of what we make from selling players. We’re only at the start of that journey and I think we’ll likely see signs of that this summer with the signings we make and maybe players we sell.1 -
Let me guess... Bring in Lyle Taylor?KingKinsella said:Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
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But what about Coventry/HullKingKinsella said:
Fair pointScoham said:
The flaw with that is not considering wage budget (usually a bigger indicator of quality than transfer spend) and the starting point of squads before the summer and January spending.KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
Leicester may have spent nothing but they came down from the PL and spent 10s of millions in previous seasons.
As an example of the state of our squad, we got promoted at Wembley with Aneke (retired part way through the season) and Mbick (a teenager loaned to L2 this season) as our sub strikers. We had to spend that £12m just to have a chance of staying up. Other clubs would have spent more than us over several seasons and wouldn’t have needed so many signings.
Clubs like Millwall have gradually built a bigger budget through good recruitment and selling players for a profit. Gavin Carter has talked about moving to a mid table budget in the next few years, and needing to improve in terms of what we make from selling players. We’re only at the start of that journey and I think we’ll likely see signs of that this summer with the signings we make and maybe players we sell.4 -
Over the 3 seasons preceding this one Hull spent £50m on transfers and Coventry spent £60mKingKinsella said:
But what about Coventry/HullKingKinsella said:
Fair pointScoham said:
The flaw with that is not considering wage budget (usually a bigger indicator of quality than transfer spend) and the starting point of squads before the summer and January spending.KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
Leicester may have spent nothing but they came down from the PL and spent 10s of millions in previous seasons.
As an example of the state of our squad, we got promoted at Wembley with Aneke (retired part way through the season) and Mbick (a teenager loaned to L2 this season) as our sub strikers. We had to spend that £12m just to have a chance of staying up. Other clubs would have spent more than us over several seasons and wouldn’t have needed so many signings.
Clubs like Millwall have gradually built a bigger budget through good recruitment and selling players for a profit. Gavin Carter has talked about moving to a mid table budget in the next few years, and needing to improve in terms of what we make from selling players. We’re only at the start of that journey and I think we’ll likely see signs of that this summer with the signings we make and maybe players we sell.5 -
And both have squads of Championship players already. We had a squad of League One players. We had much more work needed than either.Garrymanilow said:
Over the 3 seasons preceding this one Hull spent £50m on transfers and Coventry spent £60mKingKinsella said:
But what about Coventry/HullKingKinsella said:
Fair pointScoham said:
The flaw with that is not considering wage budget (usually a bigger indicator of quality than transfer spend) and the starting point of squads before the summer and January spending.KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.
Leicester may have spent nothing but they came down from the PL and spent 10s of millions in previous seasons.
As an example of the state of our squad, we got promoted at Wembley with Aneke (retired part way through the season) and Mbick (a teenager loaned to L2 this season) as our sub strikers. We had to spend that £12m just to have a chance of staying up. Other clubs would have spent more than us over several seasons and wouldn’t have needed so many signings.
Clubs like Millwall have gradually built a bigger budget through good recruitment and selling players for a profit. Gavin Carter has talked about moving to a mid table budget in the next few years, and needing to improve in terms of what we make from selling players. We’re only at the start of that journey and I think we’ll likely see signs of that this summer with the signings we make and maybe players we sell.4 -
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.15 -
I think it’s attention seeking. I can’t see why anyone believes that.Mametz said:
Ridiculous post!KingKinsella said:Some of the comments I've read on here suggest that NJ had very little scope in the transfer market, resulting in the "style" ( or lack of it) that was played.”
Just scanning the analysis by Swiss Ramble on transfer spending 25/26 shows that we came midtable in championship transfer spending at £12m whereas
Leceister City/Sheffield Weds £ 0.....both relegated
Oxford/Hull. £1m.......one relegated the other still in play-offs (at least for 5 more hours)
PNE £2m
Portsmouth/Bristol City £4m
Watford £5m
Millwall £9m ......playoffs
WBA/Stoke. £10m
Derby £11m
CAFC/Coventry /Blackburn £12m............Coventry runaway winners
QPR £13m
Swansea £15m
Sheff Utd £22m
Middlesboro £26m
Birm £28m
Norwich £29m
Wrexham £34m
Southampton £52m.....playoffs
Ipswich £54m..............promoted
This indicates to me there is a strong case that we under performed relative to spend.
This is either down to a) poor recruitment b) poor team selection/tactics or c) both.( a case can be made for fitness/injuries but that really comes under poor recruitment)
Given that it is not sensible to let further millions £ be wasted, this is the best time to change manager.Now.5
