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+++ Rob Apter signs on four year deal +++
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Yeah there's no question he's flopped there, I just meant it seemed a slightly strange loan choice anyway but that's a side pointNabySarr said:PeaksAndValleys said:
The only thing I'd say about this is that they have arguably the best player in the league in ACD who plays in his position. He was injured when Apter went in there, but even if Apter pulled up trees it seems to me it would have been foreseeable that he'd struggle for game time once ACD was back. Makes it a slightly strange move imo.fenaddick said:
Easy to say with hindsight but I don’t think many predicted him flopping at Bolton. He had all the tools to go and help a team get promoted who may then have tried to sign him permanentlyCrispywood said:
Would have actually been better letting him rot on the bench for 6 months opposed to loaning him out completely destroyed his value. Dare I say when you consider the money he may be a worse signing than AhadmeCafcSteve said:Bolton have two/three injuries today but he still hasn’t made their squad.
That said, he clearly didn't pull up trees when given the chance and the fact he can't even make the bench now tells a pretty damming story.
He also got dropped before ACD was back from injury. We will just have to loan him out to league 1 again next season and hope he can find some form so that we can recoup some of the fee we paid for him0 -
Apter is an attacking winger.
That's the way Tranmere and Blackpool played him - and he was very much a star player for them.
That's why we signed him.
But .....NJ doesn't normally play
wingers - and he certainly didn't play a gameplan to get the best out of Apter, let alone expecting him as a wingback to defend on his wrong foot.
A square peg in a round hole.
NJ has this inspiration of converting players into a role they've never played before!
Once Edward's, the more defensive wingback, was injured, Apter quickly made way for Bree, a naturally more defensive player - with TC playing the attacking WB on the left.
Added to his wretched 'doesn't fit in' Bolton experience, it's seemingly obvious the lad is bereft of confidence and has lost his way.
Note to NJ: to get the best out of a player, use him in his specialist position.
It's what he's spent his career being trained to do.
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Bolton played him as an attacking winger though?Oggy Red said:Apter is an attacking winger.
That's the way Tranmere and Blackpool played him - and he was very much a star player for them.
That's why we signed him.
But .....NJ doesn't normally play
wingers - and he certainly didn't play a gameplan to get the best out of Apter, let alone expecting him as a wingback to defend on his wrong foot.
A square peg in a round hole.
NJ has this inspiration of converting players into a role they've never played before!
Once Edward's, the more defensive wingback, was injured, Apter quickly made way for Bree, a naturally more defensive player - with TC playing the attacking WB on the left.
Added to his wretched 'doesn't fit in' Bolton experience, it's seemingly obvious the lad is bereft of confidence and has lost his way.
Note to NJ: to get the best out of a player, use him in his specialist position.
It's what he's spent his career being trained to do.4 -
I don't follow Bolton so don't really know how they play.CafcSteve said:
Bolton played him as an attacking winger though?Oggy Red said:Apter is an attacking winger.
That's the way Tranmere and Blackpool played him - and he was very much a star player for them.
That's why we signed him.
But .....NJ doesn't normally play
wingers - and he certainly didn't play a gameplan to get the best out of Apter, let alone expecting him as a wingback to defend on his wrong foot.
A square peg in a round hole.
NJ has this inspiration of converting players into a role they've never played before!
Once Edward's, the more defensive wingback, was injured, Apter quickly made way for Bree, a naturally more defensive player - with TC playing the attacking WB on the left.
Added to his wretched 'doesn't fit in' Bolton experience, it's seemingly obvious the lad is bereft of confidence and has lost his way.
Note to NJ: to get the best out of a player, use him in his specialist position.
It's what he's spent his career being trained to do.
All I know is I read once their manager saying Apter was bereft of confidence and taken out of the team for his own good (or something like that).1 -
13 Apps - Zero Goals & One Assist for Bolton.1
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Apter to come back for the first Millwall game of the season next year, and bang one in from 35 yards like a hero.
To get a goal back in a 1-4 defeat.
Bookmark this.17 -
The only thing I know about Apter's spell at Bolton is what I wrote before.
I'm only interested in his performances at Charlton, like most of us.
After a creative and bright start at Charlton, it's all gone wrong for him.
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You seemed interested in his performances at Tranmere and Blackpool but you’re not interested in his performances while under contract at Charlton? The loan to Bolton is highly relevant to the rest of his Charlton careerOggy Red said:The only thing I know about Apter's spell at Bolton is what I wrote before.
I'm only interested in his performances at Charlton, like most of us.
After a creative and bright start at Charlton, it's all gone wrong for him.12 -
Even if you don’t read into those stats. Can read into the Bolton fans opinions that he’s lazy, doesn’t like to put in a shift and not very good at football.Oggy Red said:
Which means what?CafcSteve said:13 Apps - Zero Goals & One Assist for Bolton.
That's just statistics, isn't it?
And an 'assist' is only credited if the other player takes the chance.
It's the most pointless statistic in football.They’ve also said he’s missed 3 sitters for them since he joined0 -
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Apter never looked good enough for me, maybe it was due to him not fitting into jones’ shit ball tactics, however, jones isnt going anywhere… soooooo…..1
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Apter joined on the basis of playing right wingback for us so you can't really defend him by saying he's been played out of position.2
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When Apter signed for us, like many of us, I read about his success at Tranmere and Blackpool on our OS and here on Charlton Life.fenaddick said:
You seemed interested in his performances at Tranmere and Blackpool but you’re not interested in his performances while under contract at Charlton? The loan to Bolton is highly relevant to the rest of his Charlton careerOggy Red said:The only thing I know about Apter's spell at Bolton is what I wrote before.
I'm only interested in his performances at Charlton, like most of us.
After a creative and bright start at Charlton, it's all gone wrong for him.
I didn't really know anything about Apter before that.
And after he signed for Bolton, my focus was on our relegation fight - so no, I didn't follow his time there except for occasionally reading posts on CL.
His time at Bolton may be highly relevant to his Charlton career, but as I said before, I wasn't following Bolton.1 -
Maybe. But I hadn't read what their fans thought of himCrispywood said:
Even if you don’t read into those stats. Can read into the Bolton fans opinions that he’s lazy, doesn’t like to put in a shift and not very good at football.Oggy Red said:
Which means what?CafcSteve said:13 Apps - Zero Goals & One Assist for Bolton.
That's just statistics, isn't it?
And an 'assist' is only credited if the other player takes the chance.
It's the most pointless statistic in football.They’ve also said he’s missed 3 sitters for them since he joinedCrispywood said:Oggy Red said:
Even if you don’t read into those stats. Can read into the Bolton fans opinions that he’s lazy, doesn’t like to put in a shift and not very good at football.
Which means what?CafcSteve said:13 Apps - Zero Goals & One Assist for Bolton.
That's just statistics, isn't it?
And an 'assist' is only credited if the other player takes the chance.
It's the most pointless statistic in football.They’ve also said he’s missed 3 sitters for them since he joined0 -
I can defend him though by saying he started the season very brightly and then when Edwards got injured and we shoe horned players like TC into the LWB position because we’d criminally left ourselves short in that position it was Apter who was sacrificed. He went out on loan because he wanted to play football, it hasn’t worked out, it happens. Again, way too early to write him off. He’s young and if people say stick with TC as he’ll get better then I’ll say stick with Rob and give him a chance. Unlike TC he’s moved a long way from home and we don’t know what issues that may have thrown up for him. We are told TC is an introvert and lets things affect him adversely so maybe it’s the same for Rob but he hasn’t the benefit of his family around him, as far as I know, for constant support. He’s got quality, good with both feet, can stick in a good cross with both, far too early to write him off.crookester said:Apter joined on the basis of playing right wingback for us so you can't really defend him by saying he's been played out of position.5 -
It's not a grasp, it's complete and utter nonsense. Apter should only be played as a right winger, like he was at his other clubs, apart from when he was played there at a different other club and was rubbish but that doesn't count because I don't watch them so I have no idea how he did, but it doesn't really matter anyway because assists don't even count and neither do statistics in general.AberystwythAddick said:0 -
The very best managers can make mistakes in the transfer market. Indeed our own Mr.Seed admitted that he bought a player from Millwall for a club record fee who, despite being a very good player, never fitted into our system and he was soon shipped out.0
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Just to add I'm another of those who didn't follow Apter at all during his Nolton spell. Never read Bolton Life for a fans view. Never looked at his stats. Followed his progress via posts on here. There's only so much time I devote to football. Others may put in more time or less, but for me, life is too short to spend time reading Bolton match reports to check how Apter is shaping up. I doubt Im alone in this.2
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In the time it took you to write this comment you could have opened an app like Sofascore, FotMob etc to look at Apter’s stats. Or searched up Apter on a social media like X/Twitter, or for a Bolton forum and scroll through a few comments takes literally 30 seconds.ken_shabby said:Just to add I'm another of those who didn't follow Apter at all during his Nolton spell. Never read Bolton Life for a fans view. Never looked at his stats. Followed his progress via posts on here. There's only so much time I devote to football. Others may put in more time or less, but for me, life is too short to spend time reading Bolton match reports to check how Apter is shaping up. I doubt Im alone in this.2 -
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Disappointed with how this signing has panned out. I remember start of the season when we were playing our best stuff, Bristol City away a long crossfield ball was played to Apter, who was running at full flow, and he took the ball with the outside of his left foot perfectly and didn’t break stride. I thought we had signed a step up in quality.
I could challenge Jones on why he was used so little after that initial period. But we don’t see the day to day effort, and if he said he was just too lightweight I’d struggle to argue. The Championship is more athletic and dynamic than I realised, particularly down the flanks. His frame, pace, strength and style is probably more suited to a central pocket, but we just don’t play that shape.1 -
AFKABartram said:Disappointed with how this signing has panned out. I remember start of the season when we were playing our best stuff, Bristol City away a long crossfield ball was played to Apter, who was running at full flow, and he took the ball with the outside of his left foot perfectly and didn’t break stride. I thought we had signed a step up in quality.
I could challenge Jones on why he was used so little after that initial period. But we don’t see the day to day effort, and if he said he was just too lightweight I’d struggle to argue. The Championship is more athletic and dynamic than I realised, particularly down the flanks. His frame, pace, strength and style is probably more suited to a central pocket, but we just don’t play that shape.I was excited when we signed him and I really liked him for the first few games but my overriding memories of him are him wasting possession constantly against Millwall when we were actually looking like we might turn them over for once and then sending in one of the most outrageously gutless performances I've seen against Southampton at The Valley. He had a tough job up against Scienza but he didn't have to wave him through absolutely every time he got the ball and refuse to even bring him down. I have this image of him just sort of sticking his leg out a bit as Scienza ran past him and thinking that I can't remember seeing a player look so uninterested in actually putting a tackle in since some of our 2008 era chancers. That game was his chance to show a bit of something to Jones even if we still would have lost but instead after getting caught out for their first two goals he lost interest in even trying and we ended up with Onel Hernandez at right back because at least he was willing to foul people. Onel Hernandez!Apter is obviously a confidence player but his confidence seems to be wrapped up in whether or not he gets to do what he wants, which is a mentality I really hate. Refusing to adapt and fill out your game because you think it's not worth it might work for Eden Hazard but it's not a workable mindset for a Football League player of Apter's standard2 -
.........that he's done fuck all and been rubbish.Oggy Red said:
Which means what?CafcSteve said:13 Apps - Zero Goals & One Assist for Bolton.
That's just statistics, isn't it?
And an 'assist' is only credited if the other player takes the chance.
It's the most pointless statistic in football.
Since the start of March, Bolton have played 12 games. In those 12 games Apter has:
Started 3
Came on as a sub in 4
Stayed on the bench for 4
Didn't make the squad for 1 (their play off 1st leg)
In the 3 games he did start, he was hauled off at half time in 2 of them, and subbed after 64 mins in the other.
As loan spells go, it's been about as successful as when we signed David Davis.5 -
Jones will forgive a surprising amount if he can see a player is trying hard but not quite achieving everything he wants. But Apter seems to have struggled a bit, decided this wing back thing isn't for him and just given up completely, which is going to get NJ's hackles right up.
Compare and contrast TC whose success on the opposite side was debatable but he was at least trying to do the job, whatever your verdict on his effectiveness there.2 -
Lennie once said to me that he wouldn't ask a player to do something he knew he wasn't capable of. No square pegs in round holes.0
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That raises the question though, is it something that Apter is not capable of, or just something he refuses to do? I genuinely don't know either way but from the reaction by NJ it seems to me the latter is more likely.Starinnaddick said:Lennie once said to me that he wouldn't ask a player to do something he knew he wasn't capable of. No square pegs in round holes.
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That quote, to me, refers to ability or talent, and I think Apter-gate is about effort.Starinnaddick said:Lennie once said to me that he wouldn't ask a player to do something he knew he wasn't capable of. No square pegs in round holes.
Under this manager, all players on the pitch are expected to put some defensive effort in at the very least. As a poster above says, Jones is willing to overlook defensive limitations if you can do that.
Jones' recent response to a question about TC's positioning v Preston demonstrated this; Jones accepted responsibility for that. He knows that players in that position are going to be caught out defensively, especially on transition, and can live with that. What he can't accept is not making any effort at all. Nobody is annoyed at Apter for being a bad 1v1 defender, but clearly Jones didn't rate his attitude or effort in a role he’d been brought in to play. A role Apter would’ve had explained to him, and agreed to do when he signed. It's up to you / us as fans who we side with - I know who I would choose.0 -
I think the role debate is actually less of an issue that it’s being made to be
Apter played for Blackpool as a RM in a 4-4-2. We signed him to play as a RWB in a lopsided system that means he’d be a winger in attack and have less defensive responsibility than a normal wing back. The responsibilities of these 2 roles are really not that far apart. It’s not like he was playing in a 4-3-3 with limited defensive responsibility before we’d signed him
I think where this has gone wrong is purely on Apter. There’s obviously rumours that go around and you can read between the lines a bit with Jones words about him. I don’t think he reacted well at all to being left out of the team, and hasn’t applied himself well enough on the training ground. A Blackpool fan mentioned to me that they’d heard that Jones had clocked him as a poor trainer early on
What this loan has hopefully done is maybe humbled him a little bit and given him a reality check. He’s clearly got talent, he needs to now match that with attitude and effort to turn his career round. Come back for pre-season and train hard, and if he end ups on loan next season then make the most of it6 -
Does Apter have an injury to not even be in the squad on match days at Bolton.
If fit his confidence must be shot.
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Nothing to say he's injuredsoapboxsam said:Does Apter have an injury to not even be in the squad on match days at Bolton.
If fit his confidence must be shot.0
