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  • HastingsRed
    HastingsRed Posts: 1,787
    MrOneLung said:
    Thinking back I was quite excited about the squad Hodgson picked in Brazil, so no one should take any notice of my opinions ! 
    3 previous winners in the group and Costa Rica finished top.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,274
    DamoNorthStand said:
    IdleHans said:
    I'm glad 'Trent' isn't going if only for the fact that people insist on calling him 'Trent' as if he's their best mate. Sick of it.

    (apologies for my grouchiness, it's the heat)

    Think it’s more the fact that Alexander Arnold is a bit of a mouthful 
    What about the Southampton manager then? Or Collins Sichenje at Charlton.  We could call him SC or Sichy for short, rather than by his first name. Like @IdleHans this is a pet hate of mine.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,274
    It really is a shit schedule. The competition starts on Thursday and on the Saturday when it should really get going we have to wait until 8pm for a match, and that’s bloody Qatar! Is it really organised by such fools, or is there a reason for this?
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 9,144

  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 11,438
    DamoNorthStand said:
    IdleHans said:
    I'm glad 'Trent' isn't going if only for the fact that people insist on calling him 'Trent' as if he's their best mate. Sick of it.

    (apologies for my grouchiness, it's the heat)

    Think it’s more the fact that Alexander Arnold is a bit of a mouthful 


  • rina
    rina Posts: 2,360
    Sage said:
    Still convinced we seem to be the only nation that would leave a Real Madrid player out of the squad and someone who has played in some huge games. 
    France have left out Camavinga and Spain Carvajal 
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,372
    DamoNorthStand said:
    IdleHans said:
    I'm glad 'Trent' isn't going if only for the fact that people insist on calling him 'Trent' as if he's their best mate. Sick of it.

    (apologies for my grouchiness, it's the heat)

    Think it’s more the fact that Alexander Arnold is a bit of a mouthful 
    And the fact he’s actually requested to be known as Trent rather than Alexander-Arnold. Hence what he has on the back of his shirt.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,372
    rina said:
    Sage said:
    Still convinced we seem to be the only nation that would leave a Real Madrid player out of the squad and someone who has played in some huge games. 
    France have left out Camavinga and Spain Carvajal 
    Slightly different though when they have an embarrassment of riches in their respective positions, especially France. Carvajal is 34 and hasn’t really been involved in the Spain squad since the Euro’s. Whereas after James who is injured on a fairly regular basis, we haven’t got anyone else of that level.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 27,780
    I think I’m just gonna try to enjoy it despite the inevitable Tuchel car crash. Spain v Uruguay should be a good quality game. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,938
    I can't think of any England manager that had such a good choice of players to pick from. 
    Being negative is a trait of being English I suppose and I can remember when Eric Cantona and David Ginola weren't picked for France despite being top trumps when it came to Flair.

    Like others feel, there's a few surprises but we have never had such a choice of attacking midfielders and both Foden and Palmer have missed out. Foden has been on the periphery at City this season and Palmer is either injured or looks frustrated playing for 10th place Chelsea. Going to Saudi Arabia should make you history but not if you can take penalties and play in heat it seems for Toney. 

    Rodgers has had an outstanding season at Villa and I hope he stays there. One Real Madrid player, Bellingham got in even if TA-A didn't but Jude isn't put on a pedestal by Tuchel like Southgate did because after Kane he was the main man under Gareth.
    Without that over head kick by the confident Jude we were going home early and no Knighthood for the decent man that is GS. Knighthoods should've been put in room 101, century's before Savile.  

    Hopefully Big Phil Chapple will be out there ready to spot a Japanese, Cabo Verde or Curacao player if the price is right for Charlton.

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  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,243
    Foden and Palmer missing out shouldn't be that surprising. Trent has always been hit or miss.

    Tbh I don't think we'll win it but we're one of the best 4 sides going and Kane seems to have gone to the next level which we need 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 27,657
    Foden has done precisely nothing for England in his nearly 50 caps. Not sure what the clamour for him is all about. 

    Palmer has proven to affect England games, but he is woefully out of form and needs a summer off as plainly not fit. 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 27,657
    Messi went off last night with what looked like a hamstring injury 
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,633
    The Red Robin said:
    I think I’m just gonna try to enjoy it despite the inevitable Tuchel car crash. Spain v Uruguay should be a good quality game. 
    This is coming from someone who spends most of there football time in a championship (or league one) bubble, but why is it inevitable for Tuchel to fail in this tournament? 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,006
    stoneroses19 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    I think I’m just gonna try to enjoy it despite the inevitable Tuchel car crash. Spain v Uruguay should be a good quality game. 
    This is coming from someone who spends most of there football time in a championship (or league one) bubble, but why is it inevitable for Tuchel to fail in this tournament? 
    It isn’t. People just don’t like him
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,630
    Sage said:
    rina said:
    Sage said:
    Still convinced we seem to be the only nation that would leave a Real Madrid player out of the squad and someone who has played in some huge games. 
    France have left out Camavinga and Spain Carvajal 
    Slightly different though when they have an embarrassment of riches in their respective positions, especially France. Carvajal is 34 and hasn’t really been involved in the Spain squad since the Euro’s. Whereas after James who is injured on a fairly regular basis, we haven’t got anyone else of that level.
    Spain have left out every Real Madrid player
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 66,326
    stoneroses19 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    I think I’m just gonna try to enjoy it despite the inevitable Tuchel car crash. Spain v Uruguay should be a good quality game. 
    This is coming from someone who spends most of there football time in a championship (or league one) bubble, but why is it inevitable for Tuchel to fail in this tournament? 
    You’re quoting someone who is probably one of Nathan Jones’ biggest haters on this forum. Calling for him to go post-Millwall and asking the question since “even if we stay up, should we aim higher?” referencing a change of manager.

    There is a surprising amount of similarity in coaching between Tuchel and Nathan Jones. So it makes sense that TRR would be expecting him to fail.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 27,780
    MrOneLung said:
    Foden has done precisely nothing for England in his nearly 50 caps. Not sure what the clamour for him is all about. 

    Palmer has proven to affect England games, but he is woefully out of form and needs a summer off as plainly not fit. 
    If Palmer had played at this World Cup it would have been his fourth successive summer of tournament football. He’s been playing through injury all season and only played one England qualifying game. He needs a rest. 
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,448
    Are there all that many Spanish ones, there's the young defender but cant thinknif others in contention 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,006
    Alwaysneil said:
    Are there all that many Spanish ones, there's the young defender but cant thinknif others in contention 
    Spanish players in the RM squad with caps

    Dani Carvajal (52 caps)

    Raul Asencio (0 caps but in the squad in March)

    Fran Garcia (2 caps in 2023)

    Dean Huijsen (7 caps)

    Dani Ceballos (13 caps, last in 2023)


    So not many but 3 (Carvajal, Asencio and Huijsen) who might have been expected to be called up

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  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,279
    Sage said:
    Still convinced we seem to be the only nation that would leave a Real Madrid player out of the squad and someone who has played in some huge games. People focus so much on what he’s not amazing at that we overlook Trent being practically the only one we got that can do what he does so well.

    Ludicrous decisions are to include Spence, Livramento, Burn, Quansah, and Henderson. And to select these over players like Trent, Hall, Maguire, Colwill, Gibbs-White and Palmer is insane.
    Except Spain 🤣🤣
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,957
    edited May 27
    Can someone tell me I'm not going mad.
    I keep hearing Bellingham is in direct competition with Morgan Rogers and may well lose a starting berth to him.
    Bellingham has always been a number 6 for me.when I watched him on the odd occasion for Brum or his early England caps I thought he was like a rolls royce of a number 6. Now I know Madrid and England like to push him up as a ten.Well at least I thought they did.
    Being premier league illiterate,I thought I'd watch some rolling reels of Elliott Andersons season.
    Very impressive. Good range of passing,great feet & reads the game immensely well as he sits on the six role breaking bits up and moving the ball forward. Never shy to get into the box and have a go as well.
    Being la liga illiterate,..I then thought I'd have a look at what Bellingham has been up to this season with another rolling reel
    Well. It was almost a carbon copy of the Anderson tape!!
    Sitting predominantly deep.great feet. Breaking bits (up at a slightly faster pace than Anderson)... yada yada yada.
    So my thoughts are this.Surely Bellingham is in direct competition with Anderson and not Rogers?
    Gibbs-white should've been on the plane to give Rogers a run for his money.

    No?
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 27,780
    Tend to agree, and it’s what Southgate should have done more - the issue is, Bellingham can do both. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,006
    carly burn said:
    Can someone tell me I'm not going mad.
    I keep hearing Bellingham is in direct competition with Morgan Rogers and may well lose a starting berth to him.
    Bellingham has always been a number 6 for me.when I watched him on the odd occasion for Brum or his early England caps I thought he was like a rolls royce of a number 6. Now I know Madrid and England like to push him up as a ten.Well at least I thought they did.
    Being premier league illiterate,I thought I'd watch some rolling reels of Elliott Andersons season.
    Very impressive. Good range of passing,great feet & reads the game immensely well as he sits on the six role breaking bits up and moving the ball forward. Never shy to get into the box and have a go as well.
    Being la liga illiterate,..I then thought I'd have a look at what Bellingham has been up to this season with another rolling reel
    Well. It was almost a carbon copy of the Anderson tape!!
    Sitting predominantly deep.great feet. Breaking bits (up at a slightly faster pace than Anderson)... yada yada yada.
    So my thoughts are this.Surely Bellingham is in direct competition with Anderson and not Rogers?
    Gibbs-white should've been on the plane to give Rogers a run for his money.

    No?
    Bellingham's best season in La Liga came playing as very high up 10/false 9. That works well with Kane who drops deep as Bellingham pushes forward. Rogers will also run beyond him. Bellingham can play as the 6 but it's a waste of his athleticism
  • siblers
    siblers Posts: 2,354
    edited May 27
    Watching Wharton playing now in the Conference League final. Absolutely insane he isn't in the squad but Henderson is
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,957
    fenaddick said:
    carly burn said:
    Can someone tell me I'm not going mad.
    I keep hearing Bellingham is in direct competition with Morgan Rogers and may well lose a starting berth to him.
    Bellingham has always been a number 6 for me.when I watched him on the odd occasion for Brum or his early England caps I thought he was like a rolls royce of a number 6. Now I know Madrid and England like to push him up as a ten.Well at least I thought they did.
    Being premier league illiterate,I thought I'd watch some rolling reels of Elliott Andersons season.
    Very impressive. Good range of passing,great feet & reads the game immensely well as he sits on the six role breaking bits up and moving the ball forward. Never shy to get into the box and have a go as well.
    Being la liga illiterate,..I then thought I'd have a look at what Bellingham has been up to this season with another rolling reel
    Well. It was almost a carbon copy of the Anderson tape!!
    Sitting predominantly deep.great feet. Breaking bits (up at a slightly faster pace than Anderson)... yada yada yada.
    So my thoughts are this.Surely Bellingham is in direct competition with Anderson and not Rogers?
    Gibbs-white should've been on the plane to give Rogers a run for his money.

    No?
    Bellingham's best season in La Liga came playing as very high up 10/false 9. That works well with Kane who drops deep as Bellingham pushes forward. Rogers will also run beyond him. Bellingham can play as the 6 but it's a waste of his athleticism
     That may well have been the case.
    But judging by what I've seen of him this season in a RM shirt that may not necessarily be the case now.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 27,657
    So if Bellingham played as a 6 where would Rice play ? 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,006
    MrOneLung said:
    So if Bellingham played as a 6 where would Rice play ? 
    Rice plays as the 8 anyway with Anderson as a 6
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,006
    carly burn said:
    fenaddick said:
    carly burn said:
    Can someone tell me I'm not going mad.
    I keep hearing Bellingham is in direct competition with Morgan Rogers and may well lose a starting berth to him.
    Bellingham has always been a number 6 for me.when I watched him on the odd occasion for Brum or his early England caps I thought he was like a rolls royce of a number 6. Now I know Madrid and England like to push him up as a ten.Well at least I thought they did.
    Being premier league illiterate,I thought I'd watch some rolling reels of Elliott Andersons season.
    Very impressive. Good range of passing,great feet & reads the game immensely well as he sits on the six role breaking bits up and moving the ball forward. Never shy to get into the box and have a go as well.
    Being la liga illiterate,..I then thought I'd have a look at what Bellingham has been up to this season with another rolling reel
    Well. It was almost a carbon copy of the Anderson tape!!
    Sitting predominantly deep.great feet. Breaking bits (up at a slightly faster pace than Anderson)... yada yada yada.
    So my thoughts are this.Surely Bellingham is in direct competition with Anderson and not Rogers?
    Gibbs-white should've been on the plane to give Rogers a run for his money.

    No?
    Bellingham's best season in La Liga came playing as very high up 10/false 9. That works well with Kane who drops deep as Bellingham pushes forward. Rogers will also run beyond him. Bellingham can play as the 6 but it's a waste of his athleticism
     That may well have been the case.
    But judging by what I've seen of him this season in a RM shirt that may not necessarily be the case now.
    Yeah the signing of Mpabbe moved him further back. He's still better more advanced in my opinion
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,957
    edited May 27
    MrOneLung said:
    So if Bellingham played as a 6 where would Rice play ? 
    Yeah Rice as an 8.
    And here's a out of left fielder.
    Rogers doesn't get the 10 gig as Kane gets it with Watkins ahead of him.
    I do happen to think that Kane is both our best 9 and best 10

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