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I think the switching of coaches shows a desire to do well, doesn't suggest an attitude problem to me. I think it does highlight the pressure put on her due to her success coming so young. Add in a body that was still developing for a lot of the time she's been pro and maybe lacking some self belief and it all looks pretty clear to me. I think she probably does need to develop some mental toughness though, that's the biggest thing she misses to mehoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Raducanu's career has been largely disappointing given how it started. A single title and constant stream of coaches suggests a lack of focus and she has capitulated in a number of matches. I thought she would have done better and maybe her attitude is a problem?PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
British tennis is pretty mediocre overall - should we expect better? Poor return for the investment.1 -
But would she have ever thought she'd win a GS? Yes, she's cleary got issueshoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Raducanu's career has been largely disappointing given how it started. A single title and constant stream of coaches suggests a lack of focus and she has capitulated in a number of matches. I thought she would have done better and maybe her attitude is a problem?PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
British tennis is pretty mediocre overall - should we expect better? Poor return for the investment.
Still think it's not great but the comment too harsh - from 3 to 1 GS and more doubles titles is hardly catastrophic0 -
This is more realistic. She went too hard too quickly after the US win when still developing. Agreed, mental toughness probably the keyfenaddick said:
I think the switching of coaches shows a desire to do well, doesn't suggest an attitude problem to me. I think it does highlight the pressure put on her due to her success coming so young. Add in a body that was still developing for a lot of the time she's been pro and maybe lacking some self belief and it all looks pretty clear to me. I think she probably does need to develop some mental toughness though, that's the biggest thing she misses to mehoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Raducanu's career has been largely disappointing given how it started. A single title and constant stream of coaches suggests a lack of focus and she has capitulated in a number of matches. I thought she would have done better and maybe her attitude is a problem?PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
British tennis is pretty mediocre overall - should we expect better? Poor return for the investment.0 -
She hasn't won a single title on the main tour apart from the US Open - the general expectation in the tennis world was that she'd do a bit better.PrincessFiona said:
But would she have ever thought she'd win a GS? Yes, she's cleary got issueshoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Raducanu's career has been largely disappointing given how it started. A single title and constant stream of coaches suggests a lack of focus and she has capitulated in a number of matches. I thought she would have done better and maybe her attitude is a problem?PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
British tennis is pretty mediocre overall - should we expect better? Poor return for the investment.
Still think it's not great but the comment too harsh - from 3 to 1 GS and more doubles titles is hardly catastrophic
Her GS victory was possibly a bit of a fluke and it seems more likely to happen on the women's tour given that tournaments are generally more wide open. The men's tour has largely been dominated by a small number of players.
Raducanu has been hampered by numerous injuries and her recovery to get back up the rankings has been impressive. She seems to have stalled of late and I wonder how much has been down to illness? She does seem to capitulate in some of her matches and ultimately a lot of sport is down to mental toughness.
I hope she wins more tournaments and has an injury/illness free run.0 -
No one wins a GS singles tile by fluke. Certainly not from qualifying and without losing a set.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
She hasn't won a single title on the main tour apart from the US Open - the general expectation in the tennis world was that she'd do a bit better.PrincessFiona said:
But would she have ever thought she'd win a GS? Yes, she's cleary got issueshoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Raducanu's career has been largely disappointing given how it started. A single title and constant stream of coaches suggests a lack of focus and she has capitulated in a number of matches. I thought she would have done better and maybe her attitude is a problem?PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
British tennis is pretty mediocre overall - should we expect better? Poor return for the investment.
Still think it's not great but the comment too harsh - from 3 to 1 GS and more doubles titles is hardly catastrophic
Her GS victory was possibly a bit of a fluke and it seems more likely to happen on the women's tour given that tournaments are generally more wide open. The men's tour has largely been dominated by a small number of players.
Raducanu has been hampered by numerous injuries and her recovery to get back up the rankings has been impressive. She seems to have stalled of late and I wonder how much has been down to illness? She does seem to capitulate in some of her matches and ultimately a lot of sport is down to mental toughness.
I hope she wins more tournaments and has an injury/illness free run.
Expectations are only......expectations.
By far the majority of tennis players never win a GS singles in their career ever. A much. much smaller number only win 1
Yes, she did well to get back into the top 30 but is there an underlying medical issue, as well as the mental toughness issue?0 -
I think the general expectation is that she would have had more victories on the main tour after the GS victory. Don't think that is a particularly contentious view.PrincessFiona said:
No one wins a GS singles tile by fluke. Certainly not from qualifying and without losing a set.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
She hasn't won a single title on the main tour apart from the US Open - the general expectation in the tennis world was that she'd do a bit better.PrincessFiona said:
But would she have ever thought she'd win a GS? Yes, she's cleary got issueshoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Raducanu's career has been largely disappointing given how it started. A single title and constant stream of coaches suggests a lack of focus and she has capitulated in a number of matches. I thought she would have done better and maybe her attitude is a problem?PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
British tennis is pretty mediocre overall - should we expect better? Poor return for the investment.
Still think it's not great but the comment too harsh - from 3 to 1 GS and more doubles titles is hardly catastrophic
Her GS victory was possibly a bit of a fluke and it seems more likely to happen on the women's tour given that tournaments are generally more wide open. The men's tour has largely been dominated by a small number of players.
Raducanu has been hampered by numerous injuries and her recovery to get back up the rankings has been impressive. She seems to have stalled of late and I wonder how much has been down to illness? She does seem to capitulate in some of her matches and ultimately a lot of sport is down to mental toughness.
I hope she wins more tournaments and has an injury/illness free run.
Expectations are only......expectations.
By far the majority of tennis players never win a GS singles in their career ever. A much. much smaller number only win 1
Yes, she did well to get back into the top 30 but is there an underlying medical issue, as well as the mental toughness issue?
It is strange that she hasn't repeated her US Open form since then - she did look unbeatable that week.
Shock wins ultimately make sport more interesting...
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Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!1 -
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No, not contentious, just......expectationshoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I think the general expectation is that she would have had more victories on the main tour after the GS victory. Don't think that is a particularly contentious view.PrincessFiona said:
No one wins a GS singles tile by fluke. Certainly not from qualifying and without losing a set.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
She hasn't won a single title on the main tour apart from the US Open - the general expectation in the tennis world was that she'd do a bit better.PrincessFiona said:
But would she have ever thought she'd win a GS? Yes, she's cleary got issueshoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Raducanu's career has been largely disappointing given how it started. A single title and constant stream of coaches suggests a lack of focus and she has capitulated in a number of matches. I thought she would have done better and maybe her attitude is a problem?PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
British tennis is pretty mediocre overall - should we expect better? Poor return for the investment.
Still think it's not great but the comment too harsh - from 3 to 1 GS and more doubles titles is hardly catastrophic
Her GS victory was possibly a bit of a fluke and it seems more likely to happen on the women's tour given that tournaments are generally more wide open. The men's tour has largely been dominated by a small number of players.
Raducanu has been hampered by numerous injuries and her recovery to get back up the rankings has been impressive. She seems to have stalled of late and I wonder how much has been down to illness? She does seem to capitulate in some of her matches and ultimately a lot of sport is down to mental toughness.
I hope she wins more tournaments and has an injury/illness free run.
Expectations are only......expectations.
By far the majority of tennis players never win a GS singles in their career ever. A much. much smaller number only win 1
Yes, she did well to get back into the top 30 but is there an underlying medical issue, as well as the mental toughness issue?
It is strange that she hasn't repeated her US Open form since then - she did look unbeatable that week.
Shock wins ultimately make sport more interesting...0 -
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
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Draper was doing really well until he reverted to being the Chuks Aneke of tennis once more and permanently injured. If he can get a run of fitness, grass being the best bet, he can go deep into any tournament and even win it.
Emma is still young and I think she too is capable of impressive results should she avoid illness and injury for a decent period of time.
As things stand it looks poor in the singles but we have British men featuring highly in the Men's Doubles rankings so a major win could possibly emerge from there somehow.0 -
Where have I said they where rubbish I have described Draper as a wonderful talent and the ladies as good honest players.PrincessFiona said:
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
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Also why is it wrong to have high expectations,we have had one mens Wimbledon winner since the 1930s,The ladies have done better,but still no one other than Emma has won a slam for a long long time.The problem now is where are the young players coming through.thickandthin63 said:
Where have I said they where rubbish I have described Draper as a wonderful talent and the ladies as good honest players.PrincessFiona said:
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
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Where have I said you did?thickandthin63 said:
Where have I said they where rubbish I have described Draper as a wonderful talent and the ladies as good honest players.PrincessFiona said:
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
Your expectations are too high0 -
Unrealistic expectations.thickandthin63 said:
Also why is it wrong to have high expectations,we have had one mens Wimbledon winner since the 1930s,The ladies have done better,but still no one other than Emma has won a slam for a long long time.The problem now is where are the young players coming through.thickandthin63 said:
Where have I said they where rubbish I have described Draper as a wonderful talent and the ladies as good honest players.PrincessFiona said:
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
Your expectations are too high
Off the top of my head, Mika Stojsavljevic, Hanna Klugman and Jack Pinnington Jone are 'young players coming through'0 -
Does she prefer grass or astroturf?PrincessFiona said:
Not unexpected with Raduacanu. Hope fully will do better on grass no she's played 2 matches after her lay off. Time will tellhoof_it_up_to_benty said:Raducanu loses in the opening round to Sierra in straight sets. Jones beats Haddad Maia in three sets.0 -
Not sure she's ever smoked astroturfCaptainRobbo said:
Does she prefer grass or astroturf?PrincessFiona said:
Not unexpected with Raduacanu. Hope fully will do better on grass no she's played 2 matches after her lay off. Time will tellhoof_it_up_to_benty said:Raducanu loses in the opening round to Sierra in straight sets. Jones beats Haddad Maia in three sets.2 -
Sinner struggling with the heat. Just lost the third set from 5-2 up.
Will he continue? Saw this with Rudd earlier in the week.0 -
Sinner out. Won 2 of last 17 games.0
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Good, make the convicted drug cheat wait for the career slambolloxbolder said:Sinner out. Won 2 of last 17 games.
Last I saw, he was serving for the match in 3rd set so not sure what happened there
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Sinner lost in five from a 6-3 6-2 5-1 position. Pretty remarkable.0
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You have used the word rubbish twice ,as if I had used the word to describe our players.PrincessFiona said:
Where have I said you did?thickandthin63 said:
Where have I said they where rubbish I have described Draper as a wonderful talent and the ladies as good honest players.PrincessFiona said:
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
Your expectations are too high0 -
Looks like Novak has a great chance f getting the grand slam record all to himself.0
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Some might even say there’s something Sodje-esque about that on paper.Callumcafc said:Sinner lost in five from a 6-3 6-2 5-1 position. Pretty remarkable.1 -
There are very few British players breaking into the top 100...PrincessFiona said:
Unrealistic expectations.thickandthin63 said:
Also why is it wrong to have high expectations,we have had one mens Wimbledon winner since the 1930s,The ladies have done better,but still no one other than Emma has won a slam for a long long time.The problem now is where are the young players coming through.thickandthin63 said:
Where have I said they where rubbish I have described Draper as a wonderful talent and the ladies as good honest players.PrincessFiona said:
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
Your expectations are too high
Off the top of my head, Mika Stojsavljevic, Hanna Klugman and Jack Pinnington Jone are 'young players coming through'0 -
Last time I saw that was someone losing to Jimmy Connors.Callumcafc said:Sinner lost in five from a 6-3 6-2 5-1 position. Pretty remarkable.0 -
Not at all. I did not say you said it nor intimate itthickandthin63 said:
You have used the word rubbish twice ,as if I had used the word to describe our players.PrincessFiona said:
Where have I said you did?thickandthin63 said:
Where have I said they where rubbish I have described Draper as a wonderful talent and the ladies as good honest players.PrincessFiona said:
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
Your expectations are too high0 -
Stojsavljevis is only 17 and beat Talia Gibson on her Billie Jean King Cup debut in Melbourne and she overturned a difference of 219 places in the WTA rankings, so I'd maybe give her the benefit of a little longer. She won the US girls in 2024. Klugman is also only 17, so likewise. I'd have to look up how old Pennington Jones is. I haven't checked the rankings recently but GB had 4 women in the top 100 and have made the BJK finals in successive years.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
There are very few British players breaking into the top 100...PrincessFiona said:
Unrealistic expectations.thickandthin63 said:
Also why is it wrong to have high expectations,we have had one mens Wimbledon winner since the 1930s,The ladies have done better,but still no one other than Emma has won a slam for a long long time.The problem now is where are the young players coming through.thickandthin63 said:
Where have I said they where rubbish I have described Draper as a wonderful talent and the ladies as good honest players.PrincessFiona said:
Go further than what, top 30? She's clearly not top 10 but top 30 is hardly rubbishthickandthin63 said:
Harsh maybe,but I do not think Radacanu has the incentive to go any further in her tennis career,she is a grand slam champion,she can live a very comfortable life without the grind of hours on the court,which most other players have to endure.Draper is a wonderful talent and I thought he would be a natural replacement for Andy,but it is not happening.I just think that every sportsman sportswoman has their physical limits and just cannot go any further.I recall Draper playing Sinner and vomiting a few times on the court,that is not right.If Draper gets fit he can win competitions,but in my opinion,5 set victories against the best players will be out of his physical reach.Boulter and Kartel are good honest players,but never in a million years will they challenge for grand slam titles.PrincessFiona said:
Of course it is disappointing but I still think the comments were too harshhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
British tennis is very disappointing at present. One male player in the top 100 and four women. I can't see many of our younger players making the step up at present.PrincessFiona said:
Way too harshthickandthin63 said:I just do not understand why we cannot produce any tennis players that can compete for top titles.Murray was the last and looking onwards there is nobody any where near looking like taking up his mantle.Draper is always injured,Norrie now 30 years old,thats it for men,Radacanu is a lost cause,she is always injured,ill,changing coaches etc.etc.,and why should she bother when she is getting a fortune for looking good in her sponsors outfits.Boulter rarely anywhere,Kartel the same.,all very depressing.Wimbledon soon and I doubt there will be any GB interest after the middle of the 1 st week.
Raducanu has made an absolute fortune on the basis of one title - all seems pretty ridiculous. Fame seems more based on her celebrity than tennis ability.
How did Drapr get to no.4 if 'always injured' and Raducanu top 30 before her 2 months out? Most players never win a single grand slam in ther whole career - she's clearly got significant challneges but to get into the top 30 with them is no mean feat. Hopefully bein gback with a permanent coach will bring some stability
Draper has had several injuries in the last 12 months, but Norrie is back in the top 20
Kartal was on the up before her injury set back and Boulter had made good progress after a bad year
No it isn't great but put it into realistic perspective, manage your expectations and use nuances!!!!
They don't need to be challenging for GS titles to be very good though. Plenty of very, very good players haven't even won a GS. Draper got to the USO semi didn't he? Plenty of players who aren't challenging Sinner and Alcaraz - doesn't make them rubbish though
Plenty of teams aren't going to win the Premier League but that doesn't mean they are runbbish and should give up. Do you think the supprters of thise teams should go support one of the top 6 instead?
Your expectations are too high
Off the top of my head, Mika Stojsavljevic, Hanna Klugman and Jack Pinnington Jone are 'young players coming through'
Why do you have high expectations? On what basis? What are your expectations of Charlton, that they are going to win the Championship next season?
A GB palyer winning a GS currently is about as likely as Charlton winning the Premier League, although a fit Jack Draper probaably less unlikely - I realise that and manage my expectations accordingly. But it won't stop me supporting any of them.0 -
Really hope with Alcaraz absent and now Sinner out, it's someone different rather than just back to Djokovic.thickandthin63 said:Looks like Novak has a great chance f getting the grand slam record all to himself.2 -
Definitely a few contendersNorth Lower Neil said:
Really hope with Alcaraz absent and now Sinner out, it's someone different rather than just back to Djokovic.thickandthin63 said:Looks like Novak has a great chance f getting the grand slam record all to himself.0
