General Things That Annoy You thread - part 2

The Red Robin · May 30

As for the other ridiculous and frankly, racist claim that “immigrants are raping women” it’s just completely wrong.

Of 720 convictions for rape of a female aged 16 or over in 2024, 523 — 72.6% — were attributed to UK nationals.

Police analysis of almost 123,000 child sexual abuse and exploitation offences recorded in 2024 found that, of suspects where ethnicity was recorded, 87% were white British. Again, no ethnicity pattern here.

Of the 19,118 people who entered the National Referral Mechanism in 2024 as potential victims of modern slavery, 74% were non-UK nationals — meaning migrants are the primary victims of trafficking in the UK, not the primary perpetrators.

So, quite clearly, migrants are often victims, not perpetrators.

General child sexual abuse is predominantly committed by white British men.

Algarveaddick · May 30

Fanny Fanackapan said:

ME14addick said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

The Red Robin said:

Threads getting derailed

Maybe open a new one then ?

THIS is a subject we should ALL be discussing /exchanging views on regardless of angering, upsetting others.

For me, THIS is by far the most important issue facing our country at this moment in time despite the lengthy views expressed regarding climate change.

And it has nothing to do with political beliefs ( so a thread that should past that "test" ) OR what papers you read! I find that comment disrespectful , indicating that we don't each possess the ability to examine both fact & fiction and make up our own minds....Perhaps the covid thread should be revisited....

Let's wait & see how many on here engage on this subject ( Please note the heading states " ALL discussions" ) and have the balls to share their thoughts.

THIS is about the very future of our country. You'd better start believing that, dear friends.

If that doesn't warrant discussion on a forum of mainly long term posters, "ordinary" people ( can't think of a better word) who have for many years communicated sensibly & respectfully( well, mainly) with others, then what does ?

Jean, I agree with you it is a subject that we should be able to discuss, but we haven't been able to as it is political and that isn't allowed.

We live in a world of mis/disinformation I see it every day on other social media and is a tool of politicians.

I asked about the media you use, because I am well aware that certain papers, one which I used to read myself, are purveyors of mis/disinformation, usually to suit the political stance of their billionaire owners.

I could post a lot more about Covid and my views on that have not changed with the huge number of studies that have taken place since I last posted on the subject. It would again be shut down as people become abusive.

You may not be aware, but others who used to comment on the politics thread, will know that I completely changed my political views about 5 years ago, when there was a big lurch to the right. I agree the future of our country is at stake and I don't want it to go down the populist route that has taken the USA on a very dark path.

Lol ! I think most Lifers will know that I am not a billionaire paper owner ! And I have a mind & opinion of my own, thank you for querying it. As did you with the Covid issue....

I have no interest whatsoever in your political views and made it clear at the outset in my initial post that the "P" word had no immediate relevance to my declaration that our country is in an increasingly bad, worrying place.

It was your good self who mentioned immigration and somewhat curiously, implicated ( certain ?) billionaires.

That in itself is interesting....

Maybe you've heard the quote " The lady doth protest too much, methinks ..." ?

I feel that the only way to deal with many of the problems is a "P" one though, Fanny. Even if you think it's down to poor parenting, "Ps" are the ones who will have to green light better educating parents and the population in general. As always, I am willing to listen to anyone who can come up with a feasible non-"P" solution.

The Red Robin · May 30

Algarveaddick said:

The Red Robin said:

To address the misinformed point about “immigrants draining the NHS”:

• Migrants use the NHS significantly less than UK-born residents, not more. Multiple independent studies — from the Health Foundation, RAND Europe, and the University of Cambridge — consistently find that recent arrivals use inpatient hospital services around half as much as UK-born people of the same age and sex.

Research from the Health Foundation and University of Cambridge found migrants are younger and healthier on arrival than the UK-born population, and that once age and health status are accounted for, the two groups use NHS services at largely the same rate — with migrants actually using dental care less even after adjusting for those factors. The Home Office’s own Migration Advisory Committee concluded there is “no evidence that migration has reduced the quality of healthcare.”

• Immigrants are not a drain — they are the NHS’s structural lifeline. As of June 2025, around 325,000 out of 1.5 million NHS staff reported a non-British nationality — roughly one in five of the workforce. The proportion of non-UK staff is higher for doctors (36%) and nurses (30%) than for staff overall.

A third of doctors and three in ten nurses working in the NHS now come from abroad — the highest proportion since records began. The Health Foundation estimates the NHS needs to recruit an additional 5,000 international nurses a year just to maintain current service levels. Without immigrant labour, the waiting list crisis would be substantially worse.

• Non-EU migrants pay upfront for NHS access — often more than they consume. Far from receiving the NHS for free, most non-EU migrants are legally required to pay the Immigration Health Surcharge before they even arrive. The surcharge raised over £1.7 billion in gross revenue in 2023/24 alone, and £6.9 billion since its introduction in 2015. As of February 2024, the standard rate is £1,035 per person per year, set explicitly to match the government’s own estimate of the average annual cost of providing NHS care per migrant. Many also pay income tax and National Insurance on top of this, meaning they contribute twice.

• The real drivers of NHS pressure are ageing, chronic disease, and underfunding — not immigration. Academic and policy analysis identifies the root causes of the waiting crisis as long-term underinvestment in the face of an ageing population’s complex needs, severe staff shortages, and widening health inequalities — not immigration. NHS England’s own Long Term Workforce Plan identifies multimorbidity, frailty, and the growing burden of chronic conditions among older adults as the central demand drivers, noting that on current trends two-thirds of over-65s will have multiple health conditions. The BMA attributes record-high waiting times to “ongoing pressure on services, the backlog of care, and chronic workforce shortages” — none of which are caused by immigration.

• The real cost problem is structural under-recovery from overseas visitors, not immigrants living here. When it comes to people genuinely accessing NHS care without contributing, the issue is short-term overseas visitors — not settled immigrants. The estimated cost of deliberate health tourism — people travelling to England specifically for free treatment — is between £110 million and £280 million a year, and researchers stress this figure is “impossible to estimate with confidence.” That compares to a total NHS budget of around £165 billion. Proposed extensions of overseas visitor charges to A&E and ambulance services are still awaiting government decisions , meaning this is a policy failure, not an immigration one. Settled immigrants — who pay taxes and the health surcharge — are an entirely different category.

Key sources: Health Foundation; RAND Europe; University of Cambridge; House of Commons Library (NHS staff statistics, June 2025; Immigration Health Surcharge briefing); NHS England Long Term Workforce Plan; BMA backlog analysis; Home Office Migration Advisory Committee (2018); Full Fact.

You can prove anything with well researched statistics and factual analysis...

Well yeh. Or you could believe misinformation instead. People who argue this nonsense don’t want to be presented with objective data and research.

Arsenetatters · May 30

The Red Robin said:

As for the other ridiculous and frankly, racist claim that “immigrants are raping women” it’s just completely wrong.

Of 720 convictions for rape of a female aged 16 or over in 2024, 523 — 72.6% — were attributed to UK nationals.

Police analysis of almost 123,000 child sexual abuse and exploitation offences recorded in 2024 found that, of suspects where ethnicity was recorded, 87% were white British. Again, no ethnicity pattern here.

Of the 19,118 people who entered the National Referral Mechanism in 2024 as potential victims of modern slavery, 74% were non-UK nationals — meaning migrants are the primary victims of trafficking in the UK, not the primary perpetrators.

So, quite clearly, migrants are often victims, not perpetrators.

General child sexual abuse is predominantly committed by white British men.

So almost 30%of rapes are by non- uk nationals.

Algarveaddick · May 30

Arsenetatters said:

The Red Robin said:

As for the other ridiculous and frankly, racist claim that “immigrants are raping women” it’s just completely wrong.

Of 720 convictions for rape of a female aged 16 or over in 2024, 523 — 72.6% — were attributed to UK nationals.

Police analysis of almost 123,000 child sexual abuse and exploitation offences recorded in 2024 found that, of suspects where ethnicity was recorded, 87% were white British. Again, no ethnicity pattern here.

Of the 19,118 people who entered the National Referral Mechanism in 2024 as potential victims of modern slavery, 74% were non-UK nationals — meaning migrants are the primary victims of trafficking in the UK, not the primary perpetrators.

So, quite clearly, migrants are often victims, not perpetrators.

General child sexual abuse is predominantly committed by white British men.

So almost 30%of rapes are by non- uk nationals.

Still too many of course (all are too many) but they are all not necessarily the kind of immigrant/asylum seeker that certain people like to point at...

The Red Robin · May 30

The Red Robin said:

Algarveaddick said:

The Red Robin said:

To address the misinformed point about “immigrants draining the NHS”:

• Migrants use the NHS significantly less than UK-born residents, not more. Multiple independent studies — from the Health Foundation, RAND Europe, and the University of Cambridge — consistently find that recent arrivals use inpatient hospital services around half as much as UK-born people of the same age and sex.

Research from the Health Foundation and University of Cambridge found migrants are younger and healthier on arrival than the UK-born population, and that once age and health status are accounted for, the two groups use NHS services at largely the same rate — with migrants actually using dental care less even after adjusting for those factors. The Home Office’s own Migration Advisory Committee concluded there is “no evidence that migration has reduced the quality of healthcare.”

• Immigrants are not a drain — they are the NHS’s structural lifeline. As of June 2025, around 325,000 out of 1.5 million NHS staff reported a non-British nationality — roughly one in five of the workforce. The proportion of non-UK staff is higher for doctors (36%) and nurses (30%) than for staff overall.

A third of doctors and three in ten nurses working in the NHS now come from abroad — the highest proportion since records began. The Health Foundation estimates the NHS needs to recruit an additional 5,000 international nurses a year just to maintain current service levels. Without immigrant labour, the waiting list crisis would be substantially worse.

• Non-EU migrants pay upfront for NHS access — often more than they consume. Far from receiving the NHS for free, most non-EU migrants are legally required to pay the Immigration Health Surcharge before they even arrive. The surcharge raised over £1.7 billion in gross revenue in 2023/24 alone, and £6.9 billion since its introduction in 2015. As of February 2024, the standard rate is £1,035 per person per year, set explicitly to match the government’s own estimate of the average annual cost of providing NHS care per migrant. Many also pay income tax and National Insurance on top of this, meaning they contribute twice.

• The real drivers of NHS pressure are ageing, chronic disease, and underfunding — not immigration. Academic and policy analysis identifies the root causes of the waiting crisis as long-term underinvestment in the face of an ageing population’s complex needs, severe staff shortages, and widening health inequalities — not immigration. NHS England’s own Long Term Workforce Plan identifies multimorbidity, frailty, and the growing burden of chronic conditions among older adults as the central demand drivers, noting that on current trends two-thirds of over-65s will have multiple health conditions. The BMA attributes record-high waiting times to “ongoing pressure on services, the backlog of care, and chronic workforce shortages” — none of which are caused by immigration.

• The real cost problem is structural under-recovery from overseas visitors, not immigrants living here. When it comes to people genuinely accessing NHS care without contributing, the issue is short-term overseas visitors — not settled immigrants. The estimated cost of deliberate health tourism — people travelling to England specifically for free treatment — is between £110 million and £280 million a year, and researchers stress this figure is “impossible to estimate with confidence.” That compares to a total NHS budget of around £165 billion. Proposed extensions of overseas visitor charges to A&E and ambulance services are still awaiting government decisions , meaning this is a policy failure, not an immigration one. Settled immigrants — who pay taxes and the health surcharge — are an entirely different category.

Key sources: Health Foundation; RAND Europe; University of Cambridge; House of Commons Library (NHS staff statistics, June 2025; Immigration Health Surcharge briefing); NHS England Long Term Workforce Plan; BMA backlog analysis; Home Office Migration Advisory Committee (2018); Full Fact.

You can prove anything with well researched statistics and factual analysis...

Well yeh. Or you could believe misinformation instead. People who argue this nonsense don’t want to be presented with objective data and research.

Arsenetatters said:

The Red Robin said:

As for the other ridiculous and frankly, racist claim that “immigrants are raping women” it’s just completely wrong.

Of 720 convictions for rape of a female aged 16 or over in 2024, 523 — 72.6% — were attributed to UK nationals.

Police analysis of almost 123,000 child sexual abuse and exploitation offences recorded in 2024 found that, of suspects where ethnicity was recorded, 87% were white British. Again, no ethnicity pattern here.

Of the 19,118 people who entered the National Referral Mechanism in 2024 as potential victims of modern slavery, 74% were non-UK nationals — meaning migrants are the primary victims of trafficking in the UK, not the primary perpetrators.

So, quite clearly, migrants are often victims, not perpetrators.

General child sexual abuse is predominantly committed by white British men.

So almost 30%of rapes are by non- uk nationals.

I rest my case.

Non-UK nationals is not one group — it contains opposite extremes.

CharltonKerry · May 30

The Red Robin said:

As for the other ridiculous and frankly, racist claim that “immigrants are raping women” it’s just completely wrong.

Of 720 convictions for rape of a female aged 16 or over in 2024, 523 — 72.6% — were attributed to UK nationals.

Police analysis of almost 123,000 child sexual abuse and exploitation offences recorded in 2024 found that, of suspects where ethnicity was recorded, 87% were white British. Again, no ethnicity pattern here.

Of the 19,118 people who entered the National Referral Mechanism in 2024 as potential victims of modern slavery, 74% were non-UK nationals — meaning migrants are the primary victims of trafficking in the UK, not the primary perpetrators.

So, quite clearly, migrants are often victims, not perpetrators.

General child sexual abuse is predominantly committed by white British men.

Red robin I find this a very confusing set of statistics,

your first set of figures state 72.6% were attributed to UK nationals therefore 27.4% were not UK Nationals therefore what were they?

Second set of figure you state white British is there a difference between UK nationals and White British, if so can you explain and or state what the what the % are for both set of offenders (white British / UK nationals) and for the 3rd os statistic you go back to no UK nationals.

It would be nice if / useful if standard set of statistics could used throughout with the definitions of each group clearly defined, as an example where would you put say an immigrant who enters the country perfectly legitimately against say an immigrant who claims asylum.

I just find these sorts of stats leaves more questions than answers (sorry not being argumentative or disagreeing just trying to understand).

Finally for whoever said 4 to 6 billion is not very money in the grand scheme of things I agree, but it brought back a saying my nan always used to say look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves.

The Red Robin · May 30

- UK National = has British passport (includes naturalised immigrants)

- White British = ethnic self-identification (includes foreign-born white people)

- Foreign National = no British citizenship (includes long-term legal residents) but not White British. A Polish builder who never naturalised is a foreign national but White Other. These are completely different cuts of the same population, used interchangeably - which is why it gets confusing and you can’t really give a black and white answer.

The 72.6% / 27.4% split (CMC via MoJ FOI, 2024) uses nationality. The 87% white British figure (Hydrant Programme / national police data, 2024) uses ethnicity. They cover different offence categories in different years. They can’t really be directly compared - but it’s the closest you’ll get.

The Casey Audit (June 2025) — the most authoritative recent source — concluded that data collection has been so poor, inconsistent, and in some cases deliberately avoided, that no reliable national picture exists.

The government has now mandated collection of both ethnicity and immigration status in all child sexual abuse cases going forward precisely because it doesn’t currently exist in usable form.

I work in linking routine data and it’s overly complicated and not as simple as you’d think on the outside. Public organisations don’t typically share data, even within the NHS. And there’s no single identifier a lot of the time.

The data collected is administrative data and was never designed to answer these questions directly.

CharltonKerry · May 30

Cheers much appreciated Red Robin.

The Red Robin · May 30

No worries - the reality is, some people will want that 30% figure to mean “all non-white immigrants” to suit a certain narrative - when the reality is, it’ll be made up of anyone from white Americans, Australians, Japanese etc.

KBslittlesis · May 30

100% men though………..that’s the most important point here that some seem to be forgetting.

And to get the thread back on track……………seeing a Wembley stadium with loads of empty seats in the challenge cup final, lower the price of a ticket ffs or lose it oop north.

MrOneLung · May 30

KBslittlesis said:

100% men though………..that’s the most important point here that some seem to be forgetting.

And to get the thread back on track……………seeing a Wembley stadium with loads of empty seats in the challenge cup final, lower the price of a ticket ffs or lose it oop north.

For a few years in 90’s lived next to St Pancras church and our local pub was Mabel’s Tavern. Every year when the challenge cup was on, would be full of northerners the whole weekend. One year, we were in the pub Saturday night and it was full of Leeds fans. No music was playing so my mate went to the juke box to put some tunes on. Unfortunately he got one of the numbers wrong and first song that came on was Man Utd’s cup final song Come on you Reds’

that went down well !

ME14addick · May 30

CharltonKerry said:

The Red Robin said:

As for the other ridiculous and frankly, racist claim that “immigrants are raping women” it’s just completely wrong.

Of 720 convictions for rape of a female aged 16 or over in 2024, 523 — 72.6% — were attributed to UK nationals.

Police analysis of almost 123,000 child sexual abuse and exploitation offences recorded in 2024 found that, of suspects where ethnicity was recorded, 87% were white British. Again, no ethnicity pattern here.

Of the 19,118 people who entered the National Referral Mechanism in 2024 as potential victims of modern slavery, 74% were non-UK nationals — meaning migrants are the primary victims of trafficking in the UK, not the primary perpetrators.

So, quite clearly, migrants are often victims, not perpetrators.

General child sexual abuse is predominantly committed by white British men.

Red robin I find this a very confusing set of statistics,

your first set of figures state 72.6% were attributed to UK nationals therefore 27.4% were not UK Nationals therefore what were they?

Second set of figure you state white British is there a difference between UK nationals and White British, if so can you explain and or state what the what the % are for both set of offenders (white British / UK nationals) and for the 3rd os statistic you go back to no UK nationals.

It would be nice if / useful if standard set of statistics could used throughout with the definitions of each group clearly defined, as an example where would you put say an immigrant who enters the country perfectly legitimately against say an immigrant who claims asylum.

I just find these sorts of stats leaves more questions than answers (sorry not being argumentative or disagreeing just trying to understand).

Finally for whoever said 4 to 6 billion is not very money in the grand scheme of things I agree, but it brought back a saying my nan always used to say look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves.

4 to 6 billion is a lot of money, but only a tiny fraction of total public expenditure. However there are many who believe the narrative that other publicly funded things are suffering because of the spend on asylum. It just isn't true.

LargeAddick · May 30

I’ll say it again in case anyone is hard of hearing.

I’m not against immigration. Legal immigration. You want to come to the UK then go through the proper channels. If you want to come here, work, pay taxes, be a law abiding citizen and adhere to our laws then great, no problem, you are welcome.

If however you want to come here illegally, take handouts, trash accommodation you are provided with, break our laws including many, many cases of sexual assaults on women and young girls many being raped then no you are not welcome. It’s happening, it can’t be denied. The two 15 year olds raped in Fordingbridge, their ordeal being filmed and shared on social media. A young woman raped by three men on Brighton beach. And we can’t even kick any of them out due to their human rights. I mean what the actual fuck.

Most of the young men coming to this country are doing so because we are a soft touch. Not many disembarking boats are women and children. No they are left benind to fend for themselves. Young men, allegedly from war torn countries, who complain that the hotel they are put up in isn’t good enough but maybe it would be nicer if they didn’t continually trash them. I know this happens. A friend worked as a maintenance man in an Eastbourne hotel housing illegal immigrants. Day after day he was repairing the same items he’d repaired the day before. They were trashing the hotel on a daily basis. You’d have thought they’d be grateful. It was soul destroying for him. In the end he quit. It took him ten months to find another job but at least his mental health was no longer suffering.

If people don’t like what I’m saying, don’t agree then fair enough. But I know that a great many others do and frankly we are sick and tired of it.

CharltonKerry · May 30

The Red Robin said:

No worries - the reality is, some people will want that 30% figure to mean “all non-white immigrants” to suit a certain narrative - when the reality is, it’ll be made up of anyone from white Americans, Australians, Japanese etc.

Hence my question, and the last part “ it’ll be made up of anyone from white Americans, Australians, Japanese etc” was my assumption but just wanted clarification. Thanks again

gringo · May 30

ME14addick said:

LargeAddick said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

Arsenetatters said:

The judge that decided the boys who were found guilty of rape didn’t deserve a custodial sentence. Not even a short one. WTAF

The tip of the iceberg of Titanic proportions that threatens our beloved country at this present time.

WTAF indeed.

In fact, what is the point ?

As each day, accompanied by each additional piece of "news" ( now called " heartbreak" ....) reaches our eyes & ears, any optimism that the UK will be able to recover from its current free fall into oblivion decreases yet another notch.

The films envisaging " 24 Hours/Later " encapsulate my vision of our country following a cataclysmic breakdown of life as we've known it - no need for a virus of the killing kind though....but a different kind which is spreading like wildfire amongst us & dismissed by many as pernicious & dangerous rhetoric.

Yet all the discussion on here ignores this & concentrates on the impact on our future by global warming....

The Fanackapans may well have crossed " The Rainbow Bridge" by then but our grandchildren , already feeling the effects in their teenage years of the uncertain future, will be the victims of the horrors already creeping into our lives.

That's all I have at this moment in time but Arsentatters' post released this "prophecy" that has been building inside me for some time & whether you want to hear it or not, maybe it's time to have a long hard think as to whether my words have any relevance whatsoever for you & your loved ones.

Or has Fanny finally lost the plot ?

IF this post is allowed to stand , and I have my doubts, I'll be interested to hear your honest views as to the direction we are heading in this country that we "all" love.

(No need to mention the "P" word though.....)

No you haven't lost the plot FF. The country is going to the dogs. A lot of the problems we have are down to illegal immigration. Whether that is lack of housing, drain on the NHS, a rising social bill or migrants who have been here just a few months sexually assaulting and raping women and girls and once found guilty we don't even send them packing because of Keir's reluctance to leave the ECHR. Farage will get in next election for these reasons alone. So many decent people are just so fucked off with it all. If that makes me a racist then so be it but I'm not. If people of whatever race, colour etc want to come here legally, work, adhere to our laws, behave, and contribute to society then I'm all for it but if not then don't bother coming.

I'll say this before the thread is shut down. It's not illegal immigrants that are to blame. The number is 200,000 since 2018 when we left the EU, it's about 6% of the total population. There are certain parties using the tactics of telling everyone that the country is so bad, when it really isn't. They blame immigrants for all the problems, but cannot see how it's the billionaires that pay their employees so little, that the state has to top up their earnings. Most benefits are for people in work.

This is a country that has always prided itself on being tolerant and caring for those less fortunate. Now we have certain parties blaming the sick, disabled and immigrants for all the problems. The NHS couldn't run without the wonderful foreign born staff. Far right parties create fear, hate and division and unfortunately, for some it is working, and they demonise those people. Racism, Homophobia, islamophobia, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, racism have no place in a civilised society.

Yes, the sentencing of the boy rapists was appalling but that is the on the judge and hopefully will be reviewed by the Court of Appeal.

A candidate for a far right party in the Makerfield bye-election has agreed that he is sexist, made vile sexual comments about Carol Vorderman, thinks women should have no control over their bodies, yet his party pretends to be worried about the safety of women and girls. Utter hypocrites.

Asylum seekers seeking sanctuary from war, persecution and famine would like to work and contribute but are prevented from doing so, that needs to change.

we left in Jan 2020.

KBslittlesis · May 30

Not being able to support either side in the champions league final.
The Woolwich Rejects or the French ffs!

ME14addick · May 30

LargeAddick said:

I’ll say it again in case anyone is hard of hearing.

I’m not against immigration. Legal immigration. You want to come to the UK then go through the proper channels. If you want to come here, work, pay taxes, be a law abiding citizen and adhere to our laws then great, no problem, you are welcome.

If however you want to come here illegally, take handouts, trash accommodation you are provided with, break our laws including many, many cases of sexual assaults on women and young girls many being raped then no you are not welcome. It’s happening, it can’t be denied. The two 15 year olds raped in Fordingbridge, their ordeal being filmed and shared on social media. A young woman raped by three men on Brighton beach. And we can’t even kick any of them out due to their human rights. I mean what the actual fuck.

Most of the young men coming to this country are doing so because we are a soft touch. Not many disembarking boats are women and children. No they are left benind to fend for themselves. Young men, allegedly from war torn countries, who complain that the hotel they are put up in isn’t good enough but maybe it would be nicer if they didn’t continually trash them. I know this happens. A friend worked as a maintenance man in an Eastbourne hotel housing illegal immigrants. Day after day he was repairing the same items he’d repaired the day before. They were trashing the hotel on a daily basis. You’d have thought they’d be grateful. It was soul destroying for him. In the end he quit. It took him ten months to find another job but at least his mental health was no longer suffering.

If people don’t like what I’m saying, don’t agree then fair enough. But I know that a great many others do and frankly we are sick and tired of it.

Do you have a source for your claims?

They sound very much like the claims I've seen on far right social media posts?

How do you know the ethnicity of the rapists. I'm under the impression that as they are classed as children their identities can't be reported.

Rape is a horrible crime and needs to be properly punished but it's wrong to blame asylum seekers.

Have you seen some of the vile misogynistic posts of the Reform candidate for Makerfield? They're disgusting and he has admitted he is a sexist. He hurriedly deleted a lot of them. Reform have dismissed them as banter.

Any woman voting for this man has to be crazy.

Rapes, derogatory comments about women are not confined to asylum seekers.

ross1 · May 30

Boring arguments that no one can win but still goes on and on.
Sorry I have given up reading this thread

KBslittlesis · May 30

Seeing everywhere else but here in bright sunshine.

Its proper mizzle here 😫😫😫😫

Fanny Fanackapan · May 30

LargeAddick said:

I’ll say it again in case anyone is hard of hearing.

I’m not against immigration. Legal immigration. You want to come to the UK then go through the proper channels. If you want to come here, work, pay taxes, be a law abiding citizen and adhere to our laws then great, no problem, you are welcome.

If however you want to come here illegally, take handouts, trash accommodation you are provided with, break our laws including many, many cases of sexual assaults on women and young girls many being raped then no you are not welcome. It’s happening, it can’t be denied. The two 15 year olds raped in Fordingbridge, their ordeal being filmed and shared on social media. A young woman raped by three men on Brighton beach. And we can’t even kick any of them out due to their human rights. I mean what the actual fuck.

Most of the young men coming to this country are doing so because we are a soft touch. Not many disembarking boats are women and children. No they are left benind to fend for themselves. Young men, allegedly from war torn countries, who complain that the hotel they are put up in isn’t good enough but maybe it would be nicer if they didn’t continually trash them. I know this happens. A friend worked as a maintenance man in an Eastbourne hotel housing illegal immigrants. Day after day he was repairing the same items he’d repaired the day before. They were trashing the hotel on a daily basis. You’d have thought they’d be grateful. It was soul destroying for him. In the end he quit. It took him ten months to find another job but at least his mental health was no longer suffering.

If people don’t like what I’m saying, don’t agree then fair enough. But I know that a great many others do and frankly we are sick and tired of it.

Ain't that the truth, Large.

It's a shame that more who agree are concerned about the racist accusation so keep their thoughts to themselves.

I'm guessing it won't be too long before those mouths are unzipped & the flood gates open as our countrymen & women are further impacted by what's going on around us.

Another thought for our friend, ME14.

I know that you used to take your dear elderly Dad to home games which was great to hear.

I'm guessing that he fought in WW2 as did my Dad, a Commando. He was very proud of his country & that he had played a small part in sustaining its freedom but he would be tearful wheen talking about it, especially those dear friends/comrades who didn't make it back to Blighty.

I know without a doubt how he would react to what's happening to his country in 2026. And you wouldn't agree, that's for sure.

What do you think your Dad's thoughts would be ?

The Red Robin · May 30

LargeAddick said:

I’ll say it again in case anyone is hard of hearing.

I’m not against immigration. Legal immigration. You want to come to the UK then go through the proper channels. If you want to come here, work, pay taxes, be a law abiding citizen and adhere to our laws then great, no problem, you are welcome.

If however you want to come here illegally, take handouts, trash accommodation you are provided with, break our laws including many, many cases of sexual assaults on women and young girls many being raped then no you are not welcome. It’s happening, it can’t be denied. The two 15 year olds raped in Fordingbridge, their ordeal being filmed and shared on social media. A young woman raped by three men on Brighton beach. And we can’t even kick any of them out due to their human rights. I mean what the actual fuck.

Most of the young men coming to this country are doing so because we are a soft touch. Not many disembarking boats are women and children. No they are left benind to fend for themselves. Young men, allegedly from war torn countries, who complain that the hotel they are put up in isn’t good enough but maybe it would be nicer if they didn’t continually trash them. I know this happens. A friend worked as a maintenance man in an Eastbourne hotel housing illegal immigrants. Day after day he was repairing the same items he’d repaired the day before. They were trashing the hotel on a daily basis. You’d have thought they’d be grateful. It was soul destroying for him. In the end he quit. It took him ten months to find another job but at least his mental health was no longer suffering.

If people don’t like what I’m saying, don’t agree then fair enough. But I know that a great many others do and frankly we are sick and tired of it.

It’s not that people don’t like what you’re saying, it’s more that a lot of it just isn’t true.

ME14addick · May 30

gringo said:

ME14addick said:

LargeAddick said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

Arsenetatters said:

The judge that decided the boys who were found guilty of rape didn’t deserve a custodial sentence. Not even a short one. WTAF

The tip of the iceberg of Titanic proportions that threatens our beloved country at this present time.

WTAF indeed.

In fact, what is the point ?

As each day, accompanied by each additional piece of "news" ( now called " heartbreak" ....) reaches our eyes & ears, any optimism that the UK will be able to recover from its current free fall into oblivion decreases yet another notch.

The films envisaging " 24 Hours/Later " encapsulate my vision of our country following a cataclysmic breakdown of life as we've known it - no need for a virus of the killing kind though....but a different kind which is spreading like wildfire amongst us & dismissed by many as pernicious & dangerous rhetoric.

Yet all the discussion on here ignores this & concentrates on the impact on our future by global warming....

The Fanackapans may well have crossed " The Rainbow Bridge" by then but our grandchildren , already feeling the effects in their teenage years of the uncertain future, will be the victims of the horrors already creeping into our lives.

That's all I have at this moment in time but Arsentatters' post released this "prophecy" that has been building inside me for some time & whether you want to hear it or not, maybe it's time to have a long hard think as to whether my words have any relevance whatsoever for you & your loved ones.

Or has Fanny finally lost the plot ?

IF this post is allowed to stand , and I have my doubts, I'll be interested to hear your honest views as to the direction we are heading in this country that we "all" love.

(No need to mention the "P" word though.....)

No you haven't lost the plot FF. The country is going to the dogs. A lot of the problems we have are down to illegal immigration. Whether that is lack of housing, drain on the NHS, a rising social bill or migrants who have been here just a few months sexually assaulting and raping women and girls and once found guilty we don't even send them packing because of Keir's reluctance to leave the ECHR. Farage will get in next election for these reasons alone. So many decent people are just so fucked off with it all. If that makes me a racist then so be it but I'm not. If people of whatever race, colour etc want to come here legally, work, adhere to our laws, behave, and contribute to society then I'm all for it but if not then don't bother coming.

I'll say this before the thread is shut down. It's not illegal immigrants that are to blame. The number is 200,000 since 2018 when we left the EU, it's about 6% of the total population. There are certain parties using the tactics of telling everyone that the country is so bad, when it really isn't. They blame immigrants for all the problems, but cannot see how it's the billionaires that pay their employees so little, that the state has to top up their earnings. Most benefits are for people in work.

This is a country that has always prided itself on being tolerant and caring for those less fortunate. Now we have certain parties blaming the sick, disabled and immigrants for all the problems. The NHS couldn't run without the wonderful foreign born staff. Far right parties create fear, hate and division and unfortunately, for some it is working, and they demonise those people. Racism, Homophobia, islamophobia, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, racism have no place in a civilised society.

Yes, the sentencing of the boy rapists was appalling but that is the on the judge and hopefully will be reviewed by the Court of Appeal.

A candidate for a far right party in the Makerfield bye-election has agreed that he is sexist, made vile sexual comments about Carol Vorderman, thinks women should have no control over their bodies, yet his party pretends to be worried about the safety of women and girls. Utter hypocrites.

Asylum seekers seeking sanctuary from war, persecution and famine would like to work and contribute but are prevented from doing so, that needs to change.

we left in Jan 2020.

Yes you're right though the figure quoted is from 2018. Incidentally we were part of the Dublin III agreement which allowed asylum seekers to be returned to other EU countries. Brexit stopped that and the number of small boat crossings increased dramatically.

KBslittlesis · May 30

Chocolate not tasting like chocolate anymore.
And don’t suggest dark chocolate to me, you might as well suck on a cocoa bean 🤢

SporadicAddick · May 30

I wish some people on this thread would wind their necks in and STFU.

The removal of politics from the forum was a great move - it’s a better place for it.

a bit of self control can go a long way.

LargeAddick · May 30

ME14addick said:

LargeAddick said:

I’ll say it again in case anyone is hard of hearing.

I’m not against immigration. Legal immigration. You want to come to the UK then go through the proper channels. If you want to come here, work, pay taxes, be a law abiding citizen and adhere to our laws then great, no problem, you are welcome.

If however you want to come here illegally, take handouts, trash accommodation you are provided with, break our laws including many, many cases of sexual assaults on women and young girls many being raped then no you are not welcome. It’s happening, it can’t be denied. The two 15 year olds raped in Fordingbridge, their ordeal being filmed and shared on social media. A young woman raped by three men on Brighton beach. And we can’t even kick any of them out due to their human rights. I mean what the actual fuck.

Most of the young men coming to this country are doing so because we are a soft touch. Not many disembarking boats are women and children. No they are left benind to fend for themselves. Young men, allegedly from war torn countries, who complain that the hotel they are put up in isn’t good enough but maybe it would be nicer if they didn’t continually trash them. I know this happens. A friend worked as a maintenance man in an Eastbourne hotel housing illegal immigrants. Day after day he was repairing the same items he’d repaired the day before. They were trashing the hotel on a daily basis. You’d have thought they’d be grateful. It was soul destroying for him. In the end he quit. It took him ten months to find another job but at least his mental health was no longer suffering.

If people don’t like what I’m saying, don’t agree then fair enough. But I know that a great many others do and frankly we are sick and tired of it.

Do you have a source for your claims?

They sound very much like the claims I've seen on far right social media posts?

How do you know the ethnicity of the rapists. I'm under the impression that as they are classed as children their identities can't be reported.

Rape is a horrible crime and needs to be properly punished but it's wrong to blame asylum seekers.

Have you seen some of the vile misogynistic posts of the Reform candidate for Makerfield? They're disgusting and he has admitted he is a sexist. He hurriedly deleted a lot of them. Reform have dismissed them as banter.

Any woman voting for this man has to be crazy.

Rapes, derogatory comments about women are not confined to asylum seekers.

I’ll stand corrected on the three Fordingbridge youngsters. However, the Brighton incident was committed by an Iranian national and two Egyptian nationals.

ME14addick · May 30

SporadicAddick said:

I wish some people on this thread would wind their necks in and STFU.

The removal of politics from the forum was a great move - it’s a better place for it.

a bit of self control can go a long way.

If someone makes an inflammatory statement blaming a certain group, then it deserves to be challenged.

KBslittlesis · May 30

SHUT UP!!!!!!

I can’t think of anymore general things that annoy me to put on here every time someone just ignores the ‘no politics’ rule.

Start up a different thread if you really want to argue the toss about this BUT we all know it won’t last.

So STFUP or this thread will be closed.

SporadicAddick · May 30

ME14addick said:

SporadicAddick said:

I wish some people on this thread would wind their necks in and STFU.

The removal of politics from the forum was a great move - it’s a better place for it.

a bit of self control can go a long way.

If someone makes an inflammatory statement blaming a certain group, then it deserves to be challenged.

I agree. But a challenge can be made in one short post and then left.

A challenge doesn’t need to result in multiple pages of entrenched positions and arguments that won’t be resolved until such point as the thread is closed.

Gillis · May 30

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ME14addick said:

SuedeAdidas said:

I don’t think anyone has said that they are to blame for all of the problems that the country faces.

Clearly blaming any single factor would be ridiculous… whatever side of the fence you sit on.

LargeAddick said:

No you haven't lost the plot FF. The country is going to the dogs. A lot of the problems we have are down to illegal immigration. Whether that is lack of housing, drain on the NHS, a rising social bill or migrants who have been here just a few months sexually assaulting and raping women and girls and once found guilty we don't even send them packing because of Keir's reluctance to leave the ECHR. Farage will get in next election for these reasons alone. So many decent people are just so fucked off with it all. If that makes me a racist then so be it but I'm not. If people of whatever race, colour etc want to come here legally, work, adhere to our laws, behave, and contribute to society then I'm all for it but if not then don't bother coming.

If you listen to some of the far right parties, they DO blame asylum seekers for all the problems, yet they turn a blind eye when foreign domiciled billionaires give massive donations and then keep changing their story for the reason it was given. Billionaires don't give away money like that without wanting something in return.

So, like Suede said, no one said all, at all, which clearly isn’t the case, but it’s hard to comprehend a situation where 600,000-800,000 undocumented migrants don’t cause any issues with regards to overpopulation, crime rates or general integration.

Clearly claiming undocumented migrants don't cause any problems would be as ridiculous as claiming they cause most of the problems we face or are somehow the biggest issue facing our country: neither of those things would be true.

However, the disproportionate focus on illegal immigration isn't productive, and should be challenged. If we could somehow completely end illegal immigration tomorrow (which no country can) and remove anyone who's in this country illegally, then all of the problems being discussed in this thread, and all the problems so commonly attributed to illegal immigration generally, would still remain.

All the disproportionate focus on illegal immigration does is:

1) Distract from real solutions to the problems being mentioned

2) Allow bad-faith actors to exploit people's concerns for their own gain.

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