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Worth pointing out that NJ even enjoyed a drink that night tooHenry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.1 -
As Henry says , all we would like is a meeting with a couple of players locally, and as mentioned before the younger members in our group love to interact, get autographs and photos with their heroes, remember these are our future supporters, but with an event coming up in September and only 3 places available to us as well as Bromley Addicks ( 6 places for approx 500 members in total ) it just does not bode well for our future existence. And just to correct a previous statement from Sammy 391 , NJ was in charge when we held a very successful evening with Kayne Ramsay and Matt Godden, thanks to Tracey Leaburn's organisational skills .Henry Irving said:Did NJ ban director appearances as well?
Or is that just an excuse you're hiding behind?
And if NJ has banned player appearances why did your T&C group say groups could have players as guests but only at the Valley or Sparrows Lane?
If NJ has banned player appearances then why was there a club organised meeting with players during last season?
If NJ has banned player appearances then how can CAST or anyone request player appearances?
You say I'm lying but your contradict yourself immediately.
Maybe if you would share the protocol you wrote with supporter groups and even the other T&C members there would be some clarity but despite being asked numerous times you have not done so.
All groups such as East Kent and Bromley want is a couple of current players and maybe a manager or director to attend our meetings in East Kent or Bromley. Instead fans had to travel from Ashford for a 36 min Q&A where they couldn't ask any questions.
It worked well for years, fan lead fan engagement but that was too simple, not totally controlled so everything had to be ripped up to replace it with something far worse.
The meeting held at the Valley last season which I attended, was in my opinion very disappointing after a 2.5 hour return drive for a 36 minute meeting with no fan engagement.4 -
Very sad that you have to accuse me of lying and making things up, as I can assure you that these were some of the reasons given why the club didn’t want players going out to meetings…killerjerrylee said:
This is all old news. It is complete nonsense to say that players do not want to come out to meet supporters. It has been happening for over30 years without problems, so please don't make things up. Sadly. there are always one or two first team players who are long term injured and who would happily make a personal appearance at a supporters event. Feeling uncomfortable around drinkers is presumably something that you have dreamed up to support your argument because it has no basis in truth.sammy391 said:
Once again, you know that the T&C Group didn’t stop those appearances… you’d have to ask the club that one!Henry Irving said:Did NJ ban director appearances as well?
Or is that just an excuse you're hiding behind?
And if NJ has banned player appearances why did your T&C group say groups could have players as guests but only at the Valley or Sparrows Lane?
If NJ has banned player appearances then why was there a club organised meeting with players during last season?
If NJ has banned player appearances then how can CAST or anyone request player appearances?
You say I'm lying but your contradict yourself immediately.
Maybe if you would share the protocol you wrote with supporter groups and even the other T&C members there would be some clarity but despite being asked numerous times you have not done so.
All groups such as East Kent and Bromley want is a couple of current players and maybe a manager or director to attend our meetings in East Kent or Bromley. Instead fans had to travel from Ashford for a 36 min Q&A where they couldn't ask any questions.
It worked well for years, fan lead fan engagement but that was too simple, not totally controlled so everything had to be ripped up to replace it with something far worse.Would like to see where the club have said that T&C Group have blocked directors appearances. Again you’d have to ask the club why their employees haven’t been forthcoming to those events…
To be brutally honest, the club made it clear that Player Appearances were off the cards and wouldn’t happen- players not wanting to travel on a weeknight to events, as well as players being uncomfortable on their own & in/around drinkers being some reasons.
It was the T&C Group and AB that fought hard to have some form of Player Appearances/events included, and what currently is on offer is what the club compromised with.
Groups being able to request either online appearances, or in person meets at The Valley/Sparrows Lane is/was on the list of benefits when this was going through the motions, I presume it’s still the case?
Unfortunately I think your gripe and blame is misplaced, and shouldn’t be at the T&C Group/AB
I thought that the club wanted to add to the number of supporters groups, and I agree that the suggested arrangement will work for those small groups in faraway places like Scotland or Germany. However, they will kill off the bigger, more established groups who want to meet guests in person. The Q & A at the Valley last season was a bad joke and if this situation is allowed to continue, the big groups like Bromley Addicks and East Kent will cease to exist. Maybe the club do not care about that, but they will also stop new groups from being formed. All very negative and very sad.
Not your fault, I agree, but please don't think that the T&C group farce achieved anything positive for supporters because it didn't.
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Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!0 -
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Sorry. Who/what are T&C and AB groups ?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!0 -
Apologies.Miserableoldgit said:
Sorry. Who/what are T&C and AB groups ?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!
T&C - Task & Complete Group- created on request by the club to look at CAFC Fan Events & Celebrations, but was changed to look at Supporters Group Affiliation by club.AB - Advisory Board- A Stakeholder Advisory Board that has been working with the club for the past 1.5 years (or so). 2 fan elected reps, 2 CACT reps, 2 CAST reps & 1 CAFC Ex-Players Rep currently3 -
So who is in the Fan Engagement team?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!1 -
Thank you.sammy391 said:
Apologies.Miserableoldgit said:
Sorry. Who/what are T&C and AB groups ?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!
T&C - Task & Complete Group- created on request by the club to look at CAFC Fan Events & Celebrations, but was changed to look at Supporters Group Affiliation by club.AB - Advisory Board- A Stakeholder Advisory Board that has been working with the club for the past 1.5 years (or so). 2 fan elected reps, 2 CACT reps, 2 CAST reps & 1 CAFC Ex-Players Rep currently0 -
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Can anyone elaborate on what things the AB have done?
Not a criticism before anyone piles on2 -
Fan Engagement team are:clive said:
So who is in the Fan Engagement team?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!
Hannah Jacobs- Fan Engagement Officer
Ellis Hendry - Fan Engagement Assistant
And possibly still James Bell- Marketing & Matchday Production Manager1 -
I think CAST are in the wrong bucket as should be in the non geographical.clive said:1 -
Thank you.sammy391 said:
Apologies.Miserableoldgit said:
Sorry. Who/what are T&C and AB groups ?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!
T&C - Task & Complete Group- created on request by the club to look at CAFC Fan Events & Celebrations, but was changed to look at Supporters Group Affiliation by club.AB - Advisory Board- A Stakeholder Advisory Board that has been working with the club for the past 1.5 years (or so). 2 fan elected reps, 2 CACT reps, 2 CAST reps & 1 CAFC Ex-Players Rep currently0 -
Does anyone know if there is an Essex Supporters Group?
I’m not on Facebook (I thought that had died), so I wouldn’t find it there.I know years ago we had an unofficial one.
We get stopped all the time (my Son lives in his football shirts), so I know there are plenty who live north of the water.0 -
Doesn’t look like it…Photollery said:Does anyone know if there is an Essex Supporters Group?
I’m not on Facebook (I thought that had died), so I wouldn’t find it there.I know years ago we had an unofficial one.
We get stopped all the time (my Son lives in his football shirts), so I know there are plenty who live north of the water.
why don’t you set one up!?1 -
We ran an Essex Branch from late 90’s to 2008. For some reason there was a lack of enthusiasm around that time and the branch dissolved. At its peak we had over 200 members and held many successful events with players, former players and board members attending.Photollery said:Does anyone know if there is an Essex Supporters Group?
I’m not on Facebook (I thought that had died), so I wouldn’t find it there.I know years ago we had an unofficial one.
We get stopped all the time (my Son lives in his football shirts), so I know there are plenty who live north of the water.I’m very happy to discuss pros and cons of setting up a supporters group in East London / Essex.2 -
Photollery said:Does anyone know if there is an Essex Supporters Group?
I’m not on Facebook (I thought that had died), so I wouldn’t find it there.I know years ago we had an unofficial one.
We get stopped all the time (my Son lives in his football shirts), so I know there are plenty who live north of the water.
There's an East Anglia group.0 -
It’s hard to answer as most of it is covered by ‘confidentially agreement’.clive said:
Still waiting for an answer.cafc999 said:Can anyone elaborate on what things the AB have done?
Not a criticism before anyone piles on
Probably be able to list the the 'things' on the back of a postage stamp.
What can be said is:
- 25/26 ST prices
- 26/27 prices remaining affordable
- stadium sponsorship/naming rights
- stadium Ops & upgrades
- Chelsea Cup ticket prices
- CAWFC ops
- club & stadium experience & welcome
- supporter group relaunch and package
- new membership (whenever it’s launched…!)
hope that helps?
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Are any of them fans, as in been going to Charlton for years fans?sammy391 said:
Fan Engagement team are:clive said:
So who is in the Fan Engagement team?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!
Hannah Jacobs- Fan Engagement Officer
Ellis Hendry - Fan Engagement Assistant
And possibly still James Bell- Marketing & Matchday Production Manager0 -
Not had any dealings and not sure of their remit, but both relatively young and don’t think either are Charlton fans mateCovered End said:
Are any of them fans, as in been going to Charlton for years fans?sammy391 said:
Fan Engagement team are:clive said:
So who is in the Fan Engagement team?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!
Hannah Jacobs- Fan Engagement Officer
Ellis Hendry - Fan Engagement Assistant
And possibly still James Bell- Marketing & Matchday Production Manager0 -
Don't know about James but neither Hannah or Ellis are Charlton fans.Covered End said:
Are any of them fans, as in been going to Charlton for years fans?sammy391 said:
Fan Engagement team are:clive said:
So who is in the Fan Engagement team?sammy391 said:
Thank you for clarifying that it wasn’t because of a T&C/AB 👍🏻Henry Irving said:
Surprise, surprise; long running and successful group don't like or agree with unneccesary changes made that limit, not enhance, fan engagement.fenaddick said:I definitely don’t know as much about this topic as others but it does appear that there’s lots of biases being shown because it does/doesn’t work for their specific subsection of fans
Bromley Addicks have been invited to a club run event with players in September. It sounds really fun and something most fans would enjoy. We've got three places, we have over 300 members. If your not a member of an official fan group, tough, you can't go at all.
But fan engagement.
Meanwhile Greg Docherty, who lives in Bromley can't be trusted to come to a Bromley Addicks meeting in case we kidnap him or, heavens forbid, he sees a fan drinking alcohol, something banned in his native country, I believe.
The club view is, and I quote "In terms of player appearances, it is a club policy that no players will attend external supporter groups events."
People are saying this is all down to Jones but I'd love to actually ask him if he knows the extent of the ban being instituted in his name, especially as he attended a fan run event himself last summer in the museum.
In regards to the ‘3 fans’ at the events, I too think it should be more - but unfortunately that is the Fan Engagement Team who have made the plan/decision. Hopefully these events open up to more fans SOON!
Hannah Jacobs- Fan Engagement Officer
Ellis Hendry - Fan Engagement Assistant
And possibly still James Bell- Marketing & Matchday Production Manager
In job description terms I'd say being a supporter is a desirable rather than an essential.1
