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Spain v Argentina, world cup final 2026

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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,396
    10 game ban minimum would be fair for any violent conduct post match. Additionaly 2 game bans for those who displayed the banner after the England match. Also a big fine and a suspended suspension from a tournament should this is repeated which should include the disrespect of turning their backs as Spain deservedly received their trophy. That would knock it on the head but FIFA is corrupt and favours Argentina.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,634
    You’d hope FIFA dish out some bans to Parades and co. for the post-match violence.
    That would be a good way of showing they are not biased. Paredes should get a long ban for bringing the game into disrepute. But I suspect he will get nothing. They have created a real issue here and you have to lump in the unchallenged behaviour of Paraguay into that mix.
    Paredes is 32 and has already left Europe to go back home and play his club football in Argentina.

    He will definitely get a ban as he was red carded anyway so that's 3 matches minimum, plus whatever extra FIFA give him, but i suspect he will retire from international football now, so it'll be interesting to see if his ban is passed over to his club football.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,396
    You’d hope FIFA dish out some bans to Parades and co. for the post-match violence.
    That would be a good way of showing they are not biased. Paredes should get a long ban for bringing the game into disrepute. But I suspect he will get nothing. They have created a real issue here and you have to lump in the unchallenged behaviour of Paraguay into that mix.
    Paredes is 32 and has already left Europe to go back home and play his club football in Argentina.

    He will definitely get a ban as he was red carded anyway so that's 3 matches minimum, plus whatever extra FIFA give him, but i suspect he will retire from international football now, so it'll be interesting to see if his ban is passed over to his club football.
    He needs to be punished. I think a big ban definitely ends his international career and woud suffice.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 72,791
    From The Times

    Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin did not attend the World Cup final, signalling a huge split between Fifa and the European governing body.
    Ceferin is a Fifa vice-president and would normally have attended the final but the fall-out from the Folarin Balogun scandal has resulted in a complete breakdown in relations between Fifa and Uefa. His absence from the final in New Jersey is unprecedented.
    Uefa called Fifa’s decision to defer Balogun’s ban for a red card so that the USA striker could play against Belgium “unprecedented, incomprehensible and unjustifiable”, and said that it had “crossed a red line”.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 11,701
    Other nations should just refuse to play friendlies against Argentina between now and the next world cup
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,396
    edited July 20
    IdleHans said:
    Other nations should just refuse to play friendlies against Argentina between now and the next world cup
    The World Cup needs European teams. FIFA needs to start acting in a fair manner towards them and remove its collective tongue from the backsides of South American teams.
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 22,338

  • buckshee
    buckshee Posts: 7,916
    edited July 20
    The World Cup for people that have little idea about football. Watched the final in the town square in porta pollensa last night, absolutely packed and the amount of people paying little attention to the match was astounding.  

  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 22,338
    My wife’s in Minorca with friends atm and she  said they had their faces painted with Spanish flags last night. Resisted the temptation to say I hope that was all. 
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 8,136
    What’s Spanish for “Plasterer’s Radio” ?

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  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,573
    I wonder what would have happened if the Argentine players had tried to get fresh after a game  with say Joe Jordan, Jackie Charlton, Chopper Harris. .? Think one or two of them might have needed some new teeth 
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 22,338
    I wonder what would have happened if the Argentine players had tried to get fresh after a game  with say Joe Jordan, Jackie Charlton, Chopper Harris. .? Think one or two of them might have needed some new teeth 
    Joe Jordan already did
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,884
    A truly horrible shithole of a country populated by shit people still grizzling over a shit island - hope they are flying the Spanish flag on that island coz Spain saved the world from an unbearable gloating session. We've had some proper wars with Spain down the years and their not grizzling about Gibralter - Spain, like us, have influenced the world making it what it is today - Argentina have done f all other than make a masterclass of snidey, shitty, sneaky cheating in sport coz they can't win a proper war. Ban them from world football for the next decade feels about right.   
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 8,884
    oh, and ban Tuchel as well - bloke's as big a fraud as the argies 
  • MrWalker
    MrWalker Posts: 4,348
    From The Times

    Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin did not attend the World Cup final, signalling a huge split between Fifa and the European governing body.
    Ceferin is a Fifa vice-president and would normally have attended the final but the fall-out from the Folarin Balogun scandal has resulted in a complete breakdown in relations between Fifa and Uefa. His absence from the final in New Jersey is unprecedented.
    Uefa called Fifa’s decision to defer Balogun’s ban for a red card so that the USA striker could play against Belgium “unprecedented, incomprehensible and unjustifiable”, and said that it had “crossed a red line”.
    If only there was a single word that could be used......
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,620
    UEFA are just jealous that FIFA have a bigger competition than them. No strangers to corruption. 
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,466
    IdleHans said:
    Other nations should just refuse to play friendlies against Argentina between now and the next world cup
    I don't think any game against the Argies could be described as "friendly".
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 30,597
    Imagine the carnage if Paraguay played Argentina in a knock out game.
  • 10 game ban minimum would be fair for any violent conduct post match. Additionaly 2 game bans for those who displayed the banner after the England match. Also a big fine and a suspended suspension from a tournament should this is repeated which should include the disrespect of turning their backs as Spain deservedly received their trophy. That would knock it on the head but FIFA is corrupt and favours Argentina.
    I agree with this entirely.
    Can someone please explain to me WHY is FIFA reckoned to be biased towards Argentina?
    I get Trump's involvement and his thing with Messi in US soccer etc but I just don't understand why FIFA are supposrdly biased towards them.
    Now that the WC is over, is there more to come out about the FBI investigation into the $300 million money laundering investigation by the Argie FA? Are FIFA involved in this? Are individuals involved?

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  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 7,549
    10 game ban minimum would be fair for any violent conduct post match. Additionaly 2 game bans for those who displayed the banner after the England match. Also a big fine and a suspended suspension from a tournament should this is repeated which should include the disrespect of turning their backs as Spain deservedly received their trophy. That would knock it on the head but FIFA is corrupt and favours Argentina.
    I agree with this entirely.
    Can someone please explain to me WHY is FIFA reckoned to be biased towards Argentina?
    I get Trump's involvement and his thing with Messi in US soccer etc but I just don't understand why FIFA are supposrdly biased towards them.
    Now that the WC is over, is there more to come out about the FBI investigation into the $300 million money laundering investigation by the Argie FA? Are FIFA involved in this? Are individuals involved?
    Google AI reflects the question asked, so this may have some confirmation bias, but, to my mind, this is a pretty good summary, and is in line with some of the more sensible, less conspiratorial, contributions to the discussion:-


  • Big William
    Big William Posts: 3,958
    I await Spanish players being charged with chest-butting the Argies forearms after the match.
  • Big William
    Big William Posts: 3,958
    I wonder what would have happened if the Argentine players had tried to get fresh after a game  with say Joe Jordan, Jackie Charlton, Chopper Harris. .? Think one or two of them might have needed some new teeth 
    Joe Jordan was a noted hard man in Italy when the game was really tough - years later Gattuso of Milan tried to have a go at him after a CL game when Big Joe was on the Spurs staff, one of the Italian papers had a picture the next day with the headline - Gattuso, Death Wish!
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 48,396
    FIFA are taking too long to punish Argentina. 
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,466
    FIFA are taking too long to punish Argentina. 
    Probably waiting to see if any of the Argies retire first.
  • gringo
    gringo Posts: 1,300
    FIFA are taking too long to punish Argentina. 
    Probably still waiting Trumps pronouncement.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,634
    FIFA are taking too long to punish Argentina. 
    What's the rush? There's no internationals until the end of September.
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 3,175
    DOUCHER said:
    A truly horrible shithole of a country populated by shit people still grizzling over a shit island - hope they are flying the Spanish flag on that island coz Spain saved the world from an unbearable gloating session. We've had some proper wars with Spain down the years and their not grizzling about Gibralter - Spain, like us, have influenced the world making it what it is today - Argentina have done f all other than make a masterclass of snidey, shitty, sneaky cheating in sport coz they can't win a proper war. Ban them from world football for the next decade feels about right.   
    I dont think the football team represents what Argentine is like,I have been there,lovely people,very passionate about their football,and quite happy to have sensible discussions about The Falklands.I have an excellent book on the history of Argentine football,it was corrupt and crooked almost from day 1,games abandoned due to violence,match fixing,referees locked in the dressing rooms for their safety,it wont change,even now the tensions in their local derbies make our games with Millwall look like vicars tea parties.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 24,102
    DOUCHER said:
    A truly horrible shithole of a country populated by shit people still grizzling over a shit island - hope they are flying the Spanish flag on that island coz Spain saved the world from an unbearable gloating session. We've had some proper wars with Spain down the years and their not grizzling about Gibralter - Spain, like us, have influenced the world making it what it is today - Argentina have done f all other than make a masterclass of snidey, shitty, sneaky cheating in sport coz they can't win a proper war. Ban them from world football for the next decade feels about right.   
    I dont think the football team represents what Argentine is like,I have been there,lovely people,very passionate about their football,and quite happy to have sensible discussions about The Falklands.I have an excellent book on the history of Argentine football,it was corrupt and crooked almost from day 1,games abandoned due to violence,match fixing,referees locked in the dressing rooms for their safety,it wont change,even now the tensions in their local derbies make our games with Millwall look like vicars tea parties.
    Was it Angels with Dirty Faces?

    Been meaning to give it a go.
  • Jints
    Jints Posts: 3,638
    DOUCHER said:
    A truly horrible shithole of a country populated by shit people still grizzling over a shit island - hope they are flying the Spanish flag on that island coz Spain saved the world from an unbearable gloating session. We've had some proper wars with Spain down the years and their not grizzling about Gibralter - Spain, like us, have influenced the world making it what it is today - Argentina have done f all other than make a masterclass of snidey, shitty, sneaky cheating in sport coz they can't win a proper war. Ban them from world football for the next decade feels about right.   
    I dont think the football team represents what Argentine is like,I have been there,lovely people,very passionate about their football,and quite happy to have sensible discussions about The Falklands.I have an excellent book on the history of Argentine football,it was corrupt and crooked almost from day 1,games abandoned due to violence,match fixing,referees locked in the dressing rooms for their safety,it wont change,even now the tensions in their local derbies make our games with Millwall look like vicars tea parties.
    Was it Angels with Dirty Faces?

    Been meaning to give it a go.
    It's very good although about 150 pages too long (like a lot of these books, the author can't let any of his research go to waste so sticks it all in)