MATCH THREAD Cheltenham Town V Charlton Athletic: Carabao Cup 1 : Sat 8th August 2026 : KO 17: 30

Not sure why Chalobah is still on

boggzy said:

Garrymanilow said:

Mannion there, showing off that flawless aerial dominance that makes people think he should somehow be a Championship number one

I don't think I've heard anyone say that. A lot (myself included) just say they'd rather have him start than Kaminski, as he's better (a very low bar, I know).

I still stand by that despite that goal, (and christ knows why he just punched that ball away).

But the number of times Kaminski does ridiculous things (or more importantly *doesn't* do anything), is insane.

The thing is though this is based on perception, not reality. Kaminski had a pretty poor season last year and his goals prevented score was far too low but he actually is only down as having 2 errors leading to goals. That doesn't record things like him just not doing well enough like for the Portsmouth away goal but this idea that Kaminski makes loads of errors costing us goals just isn't true; Mannion had the same number of errors leading to goals recorded last season despite only playing 9 games to Kaminski's 37. And one of Mannion's errors was 3 errors in one. And now, first game of the season Mannion has cost us a goal. Kaminski needs to improve massively on his showing last season but the idea that Will Mannion, acceptable L1 keeper, is genuinely better than Kaminski is laughable. If we can't get any improvement out of Kaminski then we need to look to the market but Mannion is a far weaker keeper

Exactly, thought Chalobah would need the opposite of more minutes in his legs

TC needs to stop dithering there and shoot, or pass eqrlier

Be professional and see it out.

Shame now to give Mwamba some mins

I think we will say this a lot this season. Could do without any injuries in the remainder of this match.

Oh mannion, you div. 

Garrymanilow said:

boggzy said:

Garrymanilow said:

Mannion there, showing off that flawless aerial dominance that makes people think he should somehow be a Championship number one

I don't think I've heard anyone say that. A lot (myself included) just say they'd rather have him start than Kaminski, as he's better (a very low bar, I know).

I still stand by that despite that goal, (and christ knows why he just punched that ball away).

But the number of times Kaminski does ridiculous things (or more importantly *doesn't* do anything), is insane.

The thing is though this is based on perception, not reality. Kaminski had a pretty poor season last year and his goals prevented score was far too low but he actually is only down as having 2 errors leading to goals. That doesn't record things like him just not doing well enough like for the Portsmouth away goal but this idea that Kaminski makes loads of errors costing us goals just isn't true; Mannion had the same number of errors leading to goals recorded last season despite only playing 9 games to Kaminski's 37. And one of Mannion's errors was 3 errors in one. And now, first game of the season Mannion has cost us a goal. Kaminski needs to improve massively on his showing last season but the idea that Will Mannion, acceptable L1 keeper, is genuinely better than Kaminski is laughable. If we can't get any improvement out of Kaminski then we need to look to the market but Mannion is a far weaker keeper

It's not all about errors leading to goals though. I didn't 'perceive' all those times he's stood wooden - I saw them. I didn't 'perceive' the number of times he pushed the ball straight into the six yard box/danger zone rather than getting rid - I saw them. And I certainly didn't perceive how much more confident the defence looked when the came back into the side.

That's the thing, a keeper like Kaminski doesn't inspire any confidence in the defence, and if they get shaky, then the confidence thing seeps into the midfield, and we become even worse at stringing passes together to get back up the pitch. Which can obviously affect the score/outcome. 

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Why cant we have a normal goalkeeper

Mannion has made it easy for Jones to continue with Kaminski. Next season we really need to strengthen that position if we manage to stay up.

sam3110 said:

Anyone checked in on the commentator?

Gone home to beat the crowd