Climate Emergency

cantersaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

cantersaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

charltonkeston said:

Chippycafc said:

Stig said:

Chippycafc said:

It usually a fair assumption that when someone asks you a question, 4 times, after you've given the answer the first time, that they and their cohorts  have a major issue understanding basics. 

It's also a fair assumption that when someone asks you a question about resources when the topic in the box was about people, that they and their cohorts have a major issue understanding basics. 

Especially after the second time of asking you tell them you are under no obligation to answer anything. Again not understanding of basics. 

And when that happens it's best to assume all and move on. 

It's usually a fair assumption that when someone repeatedly asks for information that they either can't find what you say you've sent or can't understand it. The best communicators work on the basis that in an adult world such problems are down to the sender and do their very best to set matters straight.

The fuss and blister you've made suggests to me that you don't want to answer because you know that if you do your position won't stand up to scrutiny. It would have been far easier for you to answer Emmy nicely than to put up a fight about it. Come on, it's a forum, why are you frightened of responding nicely?

It's a fair assessment Stig for people to understand the basics that you are not going to repeat your answer when you've already done it to my satisfaction  if you don't like the answer that's tough. Be an adult and move on. The question that was asked bore no relation to the original posters view. Why this individual was asking me I have no idea. Trouble making in my view. 

I can stand any scrutiny,  had it for years here and then they get abusive as you well know. As demonstrated by rocky rad. And who am i facing scrutiny from, people who Google and post A1 generated posts all day long, who for some bizarre reason think their climate experts, and are supposed to be working from home Mmmm. 

I have no fuss and blister about anything. I have replied the same number of times as I have been asked,  and now others are poking their nose in and making a big fuss about nothing. 

So just for you I won't answer anymore questions on this particular issue. 

Chipper, you are an absolute master of forum replies, I have over the years come to admire how, without being too wordy or really rude to people, you have an ability to insert a phrase that will be aimed loosely at an individual  or a group or may not be aimed at all. Often a completely vague comment or sometimes not, gets inserted into your replies.  Your replies often leave people hanging, wanting more from you but you leave it there and people hanging for you to elaborate, which you seldom do. 
Anyway a few pages back you wrote that your mother said people swear through ignorance, I don't necessarily agree with that, your mother was completely wrong, like you are on this thread about climate change I think the more likely....  

Just caught up with this. Thanks for the compliment you are almost right. There are several posters in a little club who think they are experts on every subject who dismiss anything that anyone else says. Their actions are usually hypocritical to their own views. They have an opinion just like everybody else. The shear arrogance of some is quite astonishing.

Just look at the last few days where a couple of decent posters had the audacity to air strong and good views. They will not return as the know alls rounded on them. They try to justify their behaviour by quoting what THEY call facts that are 99% of the time are Google or A1 generated.  I can't stand the bullying some posters get if they don't share or have a different view. 

My mother God bless her was always right,  and particularly about swearing. Yes in some cases it's inoffensive but one particular poster is abusive and can't say a sentence without putting the F word and C word in. Usually poking their nose in to someone else's business. 

You are not wrong no-one really knows my view, and when I did express an opinion., I got bombarded with a question that had no relation to my original post. And the pack as always dived in. And you are right if someone demands an answer I leave them hanging and throw a curved ball back in. Nothing annoys them more. 

There are also some posters who I will never reply too for historical reasons, one example being sympathetic to terrorists. and that often gets misinterpreted that I don't have an answer etc. 

Now that everyone is the way to give someone a roasting without being offensive. Cheers Keston. Loved it.

Good luck mate. 

Ohh the irony of the bits in bold. The bloke who for literal pages on this thread an others hounded a number of posters to answer disengenuous questions about their personal choices as if it in some way related to national and international policy direction, when posters were good enough to answer you didnt believe them anyway. 

Once again ol' Chipolata you manage to find new ways to amaze me. This time with your staggering lack of self awareness. Still, playing the victim is basically your personality now.

Ohh and imagine not believeing facts becasue they came from a search engine. Tools can be used to gain knowledge. In fact thats usually how its done. You might want to try it sometime.

Criticising someone for validating the information they use to form their arguments is a wild take. Even for an anti-intellectual.

Kest...this is exactly what I was going on about...more abuse from someone who doesn't have a clue about me or of my qualifications, my self awareness,  what I know and don't know. What I don't do is copy and paste and make out its my work. Bill Gates loves it. 

And personal choices is relevant, if your lecturing others and do the opposite themselves. And I make statements not hound them round the forum. 

Another example of playing the man rather than the ball. Desperate. 

More anti-intellectual claptrap. No one has "copy and paste and make out its my own work" But people have quoted research and given their sources. Its called citing. Its a major part of having an informed view on something. It adds credibility to an argument.

Stu_of_Kunming said:

cantersaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

cantersaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

charltonkeston said:

Chippycafc said:

Stig said:

Chippycafc said:

It usually a fair assumption that when someone asks you a question, 4 times, after you've given the answer the first time, that they and their cohorts  have a major issue understanding basics. 

It's also a fair assumption that when someone asks you a question about resources when the topic in the box was about people, that they and their cohorts have a major issue understanding basics. 

Especially after the second time of asking you tell them you are under no obligation to answer anything. Again not understanding of basics. 

And when that happens it's best to assume all and move on. 

It's usually a fair assumption that when someone repeatedly asks for information that they either can't find what you say you've sent or can't understand it. The best communicators work on the basis that in an adult world such problems are down to the sender and do their very best to set matters straight.

The fuss and blister you've made suggests to me that you don't want to answer because you know that if you do your position won't stand up to scrutiny. It would have been far easier for you to answer Emmy nicely than to put up a fight about it. Come on, it's a forum, why are you frightened of responding nicely?

It's a fair assessment Stig for people to understand the basics that you are not going to repeat your answer when you've already done it to my satisfaction  if you don't like the answer that's tough. Be an adult and move on. The question that was asked bore no relation to the original posters view. Why this individual was asking me I have no idea. Trouble making in my view. 

I can stand any scrutiny,  had it for years here and then they get abusive as you well know. As demonstrated by rocky rad. And who am i facing scrutiny from, people who Google and post A1 generated posts all day long, who for some bizarre reason think their climate experts, and are supposed to be working from home Mmmm. 

I have no fuss and blister about anything. I have replied the same number of times as I have been asked,  and now others are poking their nose in and making a big fuss about nothing. 

So just for you I won't answer anymore questions on this particular issue. 

Chipper, you are an absolute master of forum replies, I have over the years come to admire how, without being too wordy or really rude to people, you have an ability to insert a phrase that will be aimed loosely at an individual  or a group or may not be aimed at all. Often a completely vague comment or sometimes not, gets inserted into your replies.  Your replies often leave people hanging, wanting more from you but you leave it there and people hanging for you to elaborate, which you seldom do. 
Anyway a few pages back you wrote that your mother said people swear through ignorance, I don't necessarily agree with that, your mother was completely wrong, like you are on this thread about climate change I think the more likely....  

Just caught up with this. Thanks for the compliment you are almost right. There are several posters in a little club who think they are experts on every subject who dismiss anything that anyone else says. Their actions are usually hypocritical to their own views. They have an opinion just like everybody else. The shear arrogance of some is quite astonishing.

Just look at the last few days where a couple of decent posters had the audacity to air strong and good views. They will not return as the know alls rounded on them. They try to justify their behaviour by quoting what THEY call facts that are 99% of the time are Google or A1 generated.  I can't stand the bullying some posters get if they don't share or have a different view. 

My mother God bless her was always right,  and particularly about swearing. Yes in some cases it's inoffensive but one particular poster is abusive and can't say a sentence without putting the F word and C word in. Usually poking their nose in to someone else's business. 

You are not wrong no-one really knows my view, and when I did express an opinion., I got bombarded with a question that had no relation to my original post. And the pack as always dived in. And you are right if someone demands an answer I leave them hanging and throw a curved ball back in. Nothing annoys them more. 

There are also some posters who I will never reply too for historical reasons, one example being sympathetic to terrorists. and that often gets misinterpreted that I don't have an answer etc. 

Now that everyone is the way to give someone a roasting without being offensive. Cheers Keston. Loved it.

Good luck mate. 

Ohh the irony of the bits in bold. The bloke who for literal pages on this thread an others hounded a number of posters to answer disengenuous questions about their personal choices as if it in some way related to national and international policy direction, when posters were good enough to answer you didnt believe them anyway. 

Once again ol' Chipolata you manage to find new ways to amaze me. This time with your staggering lack of self awareness. Still, playing the victim is basically your personality now.

Ohh and imagine not believeing facts becasue they came from a search engine. Tools can be used to gain knowledge. In fact thats usually how its done. You might want to try it sometime.

Criticising someone for validating the information they use to form their arguments is a wild take. Even for an anti-intellectual.

Kest...this is exactly what I was going on about...more abuse from someone who doesn't have a clue about me or of my qualifications, my self awareness,  what I know and don't know. What I don't do is copy and paste and make out its my work. Bill Gates loves it. 

And personal choices is relevant, if your lecturing others and do the opposite themselves. And I make statements not hound them round the forum. 

Another example of playing the man rather than the ball. Desperate. 

More anti-intellectual claptrap. No one has "copy and paste and make out its my own work" But people have quoted research and given their sources. Its called citing. Its a major part of having an informed view on something. It adds credibility to an argument.

Whilst you’re normally pretty spot on with the CC stuff, deep down you must know this isn’t true, there are plenty of posts on this thread that are nothing more than direct AI copy paste jobs. 

cantersaddick said:

TD_Addick said:

Talk about personal choices, it’s called practice what you preach. Don’t waffle on about climate change every time it goes above 28 degrees and say “we need to change and do more” yet do nothing and go against everything you say. 

Again no one on this thread since it was revived in the last week or so has told anyone else what they should or shouldn't be doing with their personal choices.

The conversation has been focused on national and international policy. I don't practice international policy so it's quite hard to "practice what you preach" when you aren't prime minister. 

So your argument doesn't hold at all. 

As for the you do nothing claim here is a non-exhaustive list of things I have done and regularly do to effect change in this area. Do let me know what more you do that I can learn from. 

- don't eat meat
- walk or use public transport as default
- donate to climate organisations
- support and volunteer at campaigns for environmental causes
- have spent time volunteering at a coral restoration project and a marine conservation programme and continue to volunteer my time in an admin role for that charity
- give my professional skills pro-bono to a couple of think tanks and pressure groups in this space who have the ability to influence government. 
- am in the process of installing solar and battery in my home. Have future plans in place for a heat pump.
- holidayed in the UK or Europe by train. Even Sailed to where I was travelling post Uni.
- have done renovation works to my house to passivehaus standards - the most environmentally friendly homebuilding standards
- have changed purchasing and consumption habits initially cutting out fast fashion and amazon and the likes and now much more buying second hand and refurbished wherever possible and using certified B corps where not. Have my phone contract with Ecotalk whose profits all go to rewilding. Use Ecosia as my search engine who do the same. Am on a green energy tariff.
- have rescued and restored and refinished multiple pieces of furniture that had been thrown away for myself and family and friends to give quality pieces a new lease of life. 
- religiously recycle
- write to my MP regularly
- have installed a large rainwater harvesting system with solar pumps and soaker hoses for my garden (posted about this a couple pages ago).
- composting 
- growing my own vegetables

And quite a lot more that I have missed. Really excited to hear about all you do and see how I can add some to my list. 

But once again. The problem is systemic. People do what they can within the system but unless the system changes we won't get real change.

cantersaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

cantersaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

cantersaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

charltonkeston said:

Chippycafc said:

Stig said:

Chippycafc said:

It usually a fair assumption that when someone asks you a question, 4 times, after you've given the answer the first time, that they and their cohorts  have a major issue understanding basics. 

It's also a fair assumption that when someone asks you a question about resources when the topic in the box was about people, that they and their cohorts have a major issue understanding basics. 

Especially after the second time of asking you tell them you are under no obligation to answer anything. Again not understanding of basics. 

And when that happens it's best to assume all and move on. 

It's usually a fair assumption that when someone repeatedly asks for information that they either can't find what you say you've sent or can't understand it. The best communicators work on the basis that in an adult world such problems are down to the sender and do their very best to set matters straight.

The fuss and blister you've made suggests to me that you don't want to answer because you know that if you do your position won't stand up to scrutiny. It would have been far easier for you to answer Emmy nicely than to put up a fight about it. Come on, it's a forum, why are you frightened of responding nicely?

It's a fair assessment Stig for people to understand the basics that you are not going to repeat your answer when you've already done it to my satisfaction  if you don't like the answer that's tough. Be an adult and move on. The question that was asked bore no relation to the original posters view. Why this individual was asking me I have no idea. Trouble making in my view. 

I can stand any scrutiny,  had it for years here and then they get abusive as you well know. As demonstrated by rocky rad. And who am i facing scrutiny from, people who Google and post A1 generated posts all day long, who for some bizarre reason think their climate experts, and are supposed to be working from home Mmmm. 

I have no fuss and blister about anything. I have replied the same number of times as I have been asked,  and now others are poking their nose in and making a big fuss about nothing. 

So just for you I won't answer anymore questions on this particular issue. 

Chipper, you are an absolute master of forum replies, I have over the years come to admire how, without being too wordy or really rude to people, you have an ability to insert a phrase that will be aimed loosely at an individual  or a group or may not be aimed at all. Often a completely vague comment or sometimes not, gets inserted into your replies.  Your replies often leave people hanging, wanting more from you but you leave it there and people hanging for you to elaborate, which you seldom do. 
Anyway a few pages back you wrote that your mother said people swear through ignorance, I don't necessarily agree with that, your mother was completely wrong, like you are on this thread about climate change I think the more likely....  

Just caught up with this. Thanks for the compliment you are almost right. There are several posters in a little club who think they are experts on every subject who dismiss anything that anyone else says. Their actions are usually hypocritical to their own views. They have an opinion just like everybody else. The shear arrogance of some is quite astonishing.

Just look at the last few days where a couple of decent posters had the audacity to air strong and good views. They will not return as the know alls rounded on them. They try to justify their behaviour by quoting what THEY call facts that are 99% of the time are Google or A1 generated.  I can't stand the bullying some posters get if they don't share or have a different view. 

My mother God bless her was always right,  and particularly about swearing. Yes in some cases it's inoffensive but one particular poster is abusive and can't say a sentence without putting the F word and C word in. Usually poking their nose in to someone else's business. 

You are not wrong no-one really knows my view, and when I did express an opinion., I got bombarded with a question that had no relation to my original post. And the pack as always dived in. And you are right if someone demands an answer I leave them hanging and throw a curved ball back in. Nothing annoys them more. 

There are also some posters who I will never reply too for historical reasons, one example being sympathetic to terrorists. and that often gets misinterpreted that I don't have an answer etc. 

Now that everyone is the way to give someone a roasting without being offensive. Cheers Keston. Loved it.

Good luck mate. 

Ohh the irony of the bits in bold. The bloke who for literal pages on this thread an others hounded a number of posters to answer disengenuous questions about their personal choices as if it in some way related to national and international policy direction, when posters were good enough to answer you didnt believe them anyway. 

Once again ol' Chipolata you manage to find new ways to amaze me. This time with your staggering lack of self awareness. Still, playing the victim is basically your personality now.

Ohh and imagine not believeing facts becasue they came from a search engine. Tools can be used to gain knowledge. In fact thats usually how its done. You might want to try it sometime.

Criticising someone for validating the information they use to form their arguments is a wild take. Even for an anti-intellectual.

Kest...this is exactly what I was going on about...more abuse from someone who doesn't have a clue about me or of my qualifications, my self awareness,  what I know and don't know. What I don't do is copy and paste and make out its my work. Bill Gates loves it. 

And personal choices is relevant, if your lecturing others and do the opposite themselves. And I make statements not hound them round the forum. 

Another example of playing the man rather than the ball. Desperate. 

More anti-intellectual claptrap. No one has "copy and paste and make out its my own work" But people have quoted research and given their sources. Its called citing. Its a major part of having an informed view on something. It adds credibility to an argument.

Whilst you’re normally pretty spot on with the CC stuff, deep down you must know this isn’t true, there are plenty of posts on this thread that are nothing more than direct AI copy paste jobs. 

There's been a few but the distincion I was trying to make is that no one has tried to pass it off as their own work. Usually it's made very clear that what's being quoted is an AI summary. It's still not a reason to invalidate the research it's quoting. I'm not a fan but it's one of the few sensible uses of AI out there. To synthesise evidence and summarise research findings.

cantersaddick said:

TD_Addick said:

Talk about personal choices, it’s called practice what you preach. Don’t waffle on about climate change every time it goes above 28 degrees and say “we need to change and do more” yet do nothing and go against everything you say. 

Again no one on this thread since it was revived in the last week or so has told anyone else what they should or shouldn't be doing with their personal choices.

The conversation has been focused on national and international policy. I don't practice international policy so it's quite hard to "practice what you preach" when you aren't prime minister. 

So your argument doesn't hold at all. 

As for the you do nothing claim here is a non-exhaustive list of things I have done and regularly do to effect change in this area. Do let me know what more you do that I can learn from. 

- don't eat meat
- walk or use public transport as default
- donate to climate organisations
- support and volunteer at campaigns for environmental causes
- have spent time volunteering at a coral restoration project and a marine conservation programme and continue to volunteer my time in an admin role for that charity
- give my professional skills pro-bono to a couple of think tanks and pressure groups in this space who have the ability to influence government. 
- am in the process of installing solar and battery in my home. Have future plans in place for a heat pump.
- holidayed in the UK or Europe by train. Even Sailed to where I was travelling post Uni.
- have done renovation works to my house to passivehaus standards - the most environmentally friendly homebuilding standards
- have changed purchasing and consumption habits initially cutting out fast fashion and amazon and the likes and now much more buying second hand and refurbished wherever possible and using certified B corps where not. Have my phone contract with Ecotalk whose profits all go to rewilding. Use Ecosia as my search engine who do the same. Am on a green energy tariff.
- have rescued and restored and refinished multiple pieces of furniture that had been thrown away for myself and family and friends to give quality pieces a new lease of life. 
- religiously recycle
- write to my MP regularly
- have installed a large rainwater harvesting system with solar pumps and soaker hoses for my garden (posted about this a couple pages ago).
- composting 
- growing my own vegetables

And quite a lot more that I have missed. Really excited to hear about all you do and see how I can add some to my list. 

But once again. The problem is systemic. People do what they can within the system but unless the system changes we won't get real change.

KingKinsella said:

cantersaddick said:

TD_Addick said:

Talk about personal choices, it’s called practice what you preach. Don’t waffle on about climate change every time it goes above 28 degrees and say “we need to change and do more” yet do nothing and go against everything you say. 

Again no one on this thread since it was revived in the last week or so has told anyone else what they should or shouldn't be doing with their personal choices.

The conversation has been focused on national and international policy. I don't practice international policy so it's quite hard to "practice what you preach" when you aren't prime minister. 

So your argument doesn't hold at all. 

As for the you do nothing claim here is a non-exhaustive list of things I have done and regularly do to effect change in this area. Do let me know what more you do that I can learn from. 

- don't eat meat
- walk or use public transport as default
- donate to climate organisations
- support and volunteer at campaigns for environmental causes
- have spent time volunteering at a coral restoration project and a marine conservation programme and continue to volunteer my time in an admin role for that charity
- give my professional skills pro-bono to a couple of think tanks and pressure groups in this space who have the ability to influence government. 
- am in the process of installing solar and battery in my home. Have future plans in place for a heat pump.
- holidayed in the UK or Europe by train. Even Sailed to where I was travelling post Uni.
- have done renovation works to my house to passivehaus standards - the most environmentally friendly homebuilding standards
- have changed purchasing and consumption habits initially cutting out fast fashion and amazon and the likes and now much more buying second hand and refurbished wherever possible and using certified B corps where not. Have my phone contract with Ecotalk whose profits all go to rewilding. Use Ecosia as my search engine who do the same. Am on a green energy tariff.
- have rescued and restored and refinished multiple pieces of furniture that had been thrown away for myself and family and friends to give quality pieces a new lease of life. 
- religiously recycle
- write to my MP regularly
- have installed a large rainwater harvesting system with solar pumps and soaker hoses for my garden (posted about this a couple pages ago).
- composting 
- growing my own vegetables

And quite a lot more that I have missed. Really excited to hear about all you do and see how I can add some to my list. 

But once again. The problem is systemic. People do what they can within the system but unless the system changes we won't get real change.

Credit to you. I wish In had the will power to do half this list

bobmunro said:

Huskaris said:

Looks like Burnham is likely to be granting more drilling licences. 

Personally view it as pragmatic and popul(ist)ar

Will it reduce our costs? No
Will it reduce (ironically) our carbon footprint by not moving it round the world? Hopefully?
Will it increase our energy security, which to me is the most important thing? Yes.

Also as another observation, a lot of people's views on saving the planet seem to be similar to how they view tax.

"Don't look at me, look at them!"

Not a Ctrl C Ctrl V in sight!

Huskaris said:

Looks like Burnham is likely to be granting more drilling licences. 

Personally view it as pragmatic and popul(ist)ar

Will it reduce our costs? No
Will it reduce (ironically) our carbon footprint by not moving it round the world? Hopefully?
Will it increase our energy security, which to me is the most important thing? Yes.

Also as another observation, a lot of people's views on saving the planet seem to be similar to how they view tax.

"Don't look at me, look at them!"

bobmunro said:

Huskaris said:

Looks like Burnham is likely to be granting more drilling licences. 

Personally view it as pragmatic and popul(ist)ar

Will it reduce our costs? No
Will it reduce (ironically) our carbon footprint by not moving it round the world? Hopefully?
Will it increase our energy security, which to me is the most important thing? Yes.

Also as another observation, a lot of people's views on saving the planet seem to be similar to how they view tax.

"Don't look at me, look at them!"

The model would need to change quite substantially to achieve your goals.

The oil and gas extracted currently belongs to the oil companies granted licenses for them to then sell it on the global market - revenue for the UK Government is tax. For energy security that would need to change to the UK Government owning the oil and the drilling companies paid for extracting it. Not sure there would be a queue of companies wanting those types of licenses. Our refining resource would also need to change as I believe they are not designed to refine the type of oil extracted from the north sea. That I would imagine would come to big bucks. 

I haven't got a problem with new licenses because we will need fossil fuels to compliment other energy sources, but it should never be used as a reason to stop the further development of wind, solar and nuclear capability.

@Chippycafc

@Stu_of_Kunming

Not a Ctrl C Ctrl V in sight!

TD_Addick said:

Chizz said:

TD_Addick said:

Talk about personal choices, it’s called practice what you preach. Don’t waffle on about climate change every time it goes above 28 degrees and say “we need to change and do more” yet do nothing and go against everything you say. 

Who is it you're accusing of "doing nothing"? And what is it that you do, that you think they should do too? 

I'm referring to certain people who claim to be almighty and state CO2 is warming the planet which is fair enough but then decide to go on holidays and drive cars which is one of the main contributers to CO2 emissions. What is it I do? The answer is nothing because I don't believe the world is ending through climate change. What should they do? Again practice what you preach if you truly believe what you say about climate change then stop going on holiday stop driving cars, stop using fossil fuels. 

This summer across the world has been very warm with lots of drought. This was predicted through El Nino a super el nino in fact, but again has been spun as climate change.