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Bag Limit Size Ban at The Valley
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I see the logic, I do
I see this as someone who doesn't bring a bag with me to football but see plenty of people with kids who have backpacks and we are meant to be a family club. The club haven't outright come out and said its for security because it can't be if you can buy as much as you want from the club shop and put that in whatever size bag and bring it in.
All this shit just makes it hard work getting into football grounds, searches by stewards who have no business searching people. Maybe get the fucking hot water working in the bogs first, engage with the arseholes at Greenwich Council and sort the parking out for match days before dicking about with stuff like this. If the club can find the staffing and effort to facilitate this they can let people out at half time for a smoke too10 -
So earlier today we learn there's to be no Rak-Sakyi and now no more ruck sacky at The Valley either. Can today get much worse.41
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It’s wholly unreasonable to expect people to travel hundreds of miles and tell them they can’t bring anything with them. I’m aware of the security legislation but the people who put forward these things seem to have limited experience of real life.
Doesn’t apply at Test matches in general, or Lord’s in particular, where you can still take glass bottles or cans in. As for the (common) exception for merchandise, just how shallow can you get?29 -
Bravo Kips. Bravo.1
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Especially if they’re not providing any safe/secure way to store said bags either!Airman Brown said:It’s wholly unreasonable to expect people to travel hundreds of miles and tell them they can’t bring anything with them. I’m aware of the security legislation but the people who put forward these things seem to have limited experience of real life.
Doesn’t apply at Test matches in general, or Lord’s in particular, where you can still take glass bottles or cans in. As for the (common) exception for merchandise, just how shallow can you get?3 -
"Overdue" in the fact that there's now an official law "Martyn's Law" that is coming into force in Spring 2027, but many arenas have put into play since the incident in 2017. Whilst it hasn't been mandatory up until now, most arenas in the UK have tightened restrictions on bag sizes sinceOff_it said:
"Overdue" in what context?sam3110 said:This is standard at 80-90% of venues already.
Anyone up in arms about this, I'm afraid this is standard practice and it's actually been pretty overdue at The Valley2 -
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As far as google suggests Martyn’s law doesn’t prescribe bag size. Rather it talks about ‘reasonably practicable’ procedures.Surely they can exercise judgement and not have an artificial blanket ban.As it often feels with such new legislation a top heavy risk averse approach is adopted because some other party did a risk assessment and they follow suit to avoid any suggestion of non compliance.5
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The hemorrhoid who blew themselves up there went in the exit to the station platform rather than go through a check at the entrance. I was at the first event the arena held after that bombing and it was mega trying to get in, dogs, multiple security searches which I felt were overly intrusive but understandable given what had happened thereLargeAddick said:
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I regularly take a normal rucksack to home games having travelled up by Valley Express. Sometimes I may only have lunch in it but on other occasions I might have Birthday or Christmas presents which would not fit in an A4 size bag. When offering my rucksack up for examination at either the Fans Bar or at the turnstiles, the stewards rarely even glance inside, let alone search it.How does an A4 size bag make the ground any safer with this level of security at The Valley?6
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It’s my birthday tomorrow (Friday) but I suppose my present can wait till Saturday 😂HerneBayaddick said:I regularly take a normal rucksack to home games having travelled up by Valley Express. Sometimes I may only have lunch in it but on other occasions I might have Birthday or Christmas presents which would not fit in an A4 size bag. When offering my rucksack up for examination at either the Fans Bar or at the turnstiles, the stewards rarely even glance inside, let alone search it.How does an A4 size bag make the ground any safer with this level of security at The Valley?2 -
Football is not about the fans it seems.Loads of valid reasons for bigger bags given above - but it’s easy to translate the new rule:
We don’t want to pay those guys that do the bag check anymore.3 -
Nah, they are still having to do that but just smaller bagsValiantphil said:Football is not about the fans it seems.Loads of valid reasons for bigger bags given above - but it’s easy to translate the new rule:
We don’t want to pay those guys that do the bag check anymore.
I could grudgingly accept this as a good idea in the north stand as bags are an accident or a fight waiting to happen there
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sam3110 said:
"Overdue" in the fact that there's now an official law "Martyn's Law" that is coming into force in Spring 2027, but many arenas have put into play since the incident in 2017. Whilst it hasn't been mandatory up until now, most arenas in the UK have tightened restrictions on bag sizes sinceOff_it said:
"Overdue" in what context?sam3110 said:This is standard at 80-90% of venues already.
Anyone up in arms about this, I'm afraid this is standard practice and it's actually been pretty overdue at The Valley
So, we ban bags in all public places as well?LargeAddick said:
As has been pointed out, the law refers to taking reasonable precautionary measures - not banning bags outright with no alternative.
It wont affect me personally, but its a bit shitty for families. And woefully publicised. But hey, it's OK if you want to buy some old shit in the shop - have as many bags as you want!12 -
I plan to buy the biggest bag from the club shop and put my rucksack in it.4
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You’ll be allowed to bring it in , for £70.killerandflash said:Ridiculous rules. Do they think that all fans live 10 minutes away, or come by car (so can leave stuff there)?
My "Ryanair underseat bag" is only a bit bigger than A4, so hopefully will be allowed.1 -
So a Tesco bag for life, isn’t for Charlton.1
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Got no issue with the policy itself but concerned about how you get an exemption. It’s already not been communicated well and can’t see how you apply for one. My experience of having to do this regularly doesn’t inspire confidence tbh. Wembley have always been great but Spurs were useless (still not even had a response for my request for Wednesday) as was the London stadium when I went to a gig there in the summer. Dreamland in Margate was the best though when we went to see the pistols last year. There was a massive queue to get in but exemptions went straight to the front via a separate line and my mates were allowed to come with. Was a result as was busting for a piss.3
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At the bag check area in the main reception for the last home match, the security guy seemed to think it was hilarious that Mrs cafcfan had a Sweep glove puppet in her bag.9
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If bag searches are done ...what is difference between a A4 bag and a normal rucksack search?
seems unnecesary and will be a hassle for quite a few fans who come straight from work etc
Its same BS with airlines, with only tiny bags being free, surprised the club aren't thinking of charging for a rucksack to get into the Valley
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Snacks, drinks bottle, ear defenders, wet wipes, extra jacket now the weather is unpredictable. Space for any tat/kits he wants from the shop.Dazzler21 said:
Same.shine166 said:Tricky rule for people who take children of any age, we are out of the house for a average of 7 hours for a game.
It just doesn't work , you suck it up for Wembley as its a rare occasion, plus there are plenty of options for food in and around the ground.
There are plenty of other ways to spend well over £150 on a Saturday, with much less hassle.7 -
can you apply for an extention? This is so ridiculously unfair on people going directly from work. How is it ok to take in a larger bag but only if it is from the store?Rob7Lee said:Thanks for pointing this out, I hadn't spotted it, no midweek games for me then as if I do get there I have to come from work and aren't getting all my stuff in a bag smaller than A4! - do I get a refund on my season ticket for those games? Let me guess..........
Bag drop seems a good idea, but not sure I'd trust leaving a few grands worth of stuff there....3 -
So would the bag I often take, like this but Charlton branded and bought from the CAFC shop 18 months ago, be permitted? its certainly bigger than A4
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To A3? 😉😀PrincessFiona said:
can you apply for an extention? This is so ridiculously unfair on people going directly from work. How is it ok to take in a larger bag but only if it is from the store?Rob7Lee said:Thanks for pointing this out, I hadn't spotted it, no midweek games for me then as if I do get there I have to come from work and aren't getting all my stuff in a bag smaller than A4! - do I get a refund on my season ticket for those games? Let me guess..........
Bag drop seems a good idea, but not sure I'd trust leaving a few grands worth of stuff there....9 -
I don’t think the stewards will have rulers or tape measures or there will be airport size boxes to check exact A4 measurements, this bag is fine I use similar at other venues.0
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I don't know - it's your joke.TootingRedArmy said:If bag searches are done ...what is difference between a A4 bag : rucksack and a normal rucksack search?
But seriously, this stuff is worked out on the basis that in all probability the security staff find the task of searching bags boring in the extreme and won't do it properly.
Excluding large bag sizes is an easy and foolproof way of ensuring that large explosive devices do not get in the building. 10 kg of military grade explosives can take down a multi-story building and kill everyone within a 35m radius. 1kg only kills within a 5-10m radius and the building probably survives. That's a big difference in the numbers of dead supporters.
Also the larger the bag the longer it takes to search creating queues and pressure as kick-off time approaches.
Is it rubbish and is it a real drag for supporters? Yes it is but the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. We're going to have to suck it up.
As usual, it would have helped if the club had communicated something about it in a prominent way with an explanation as to why the restriction was being imposed. But they didn't. It's going to be a right bastard for the kitman....
People do ridiculous things balancing cost vs effectiveness to attempt to minimise risk and the results are not always very sensible. Many years ago my employer was exploring ways of reducing damage from bomb blasts outside the building. The recommended answer was to install a clear film on the windows and use special tear-resistant net curtains one and a half times the drop of the window. The surplus curtain was weighted and lived in a box on the window sill. The concept being that the film would stop the glass from shattering into shards and the curtain/box would retain all the larger pieces so they wouldn't fly around the offices.
My employer was happy to pay for the window film but not the curtains and boxes. The end result being that in the event of an explosion, instead of staff getting small pieces of glass stuck in their face they would all be decapitated by lots of large panes hurtling through the office at high velocity. You pay your money you take your choice.0 -
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink's shorts were definitely bigger than A4 size.cafcfan said:
I don't know - it's your joke.TootingRedArmy said:If bag searches are done ...what is difference between a A4 bag : rucksack and a normal rucksack search?
But seriously, this stuff is worked out on the basis that in all probability the security staff find the task of searching bags boring in the extreme and won't do it properly.
Excluding large bag sizes is an easy and foolproof way of ensuring that large explosive devices do not get in the building. 10 kg of military grade explosives can take down a multi-story building and kill everyone within a 35m radius. 1kg only kills within a 5-10m radius and the building probably survives. That's a big difference in the numbers of dead supporters.
Also the larger the bag the longer it takes to search creating queues and pressure as kick-off time approaches.
Is it rubbish and is it a real drag for supporters? Yes it is but the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. We're going to have to suck it up.
As usual, it would have helped if the club had communicated something about it in a prominent way with an explanation as to why the restriction was being imposed. But they didn't. Its going to be a right bastard for the kitman....
People do ridiculous things balancing cost vs effectiveness to attempt to minimise risk and the results are not always very sensible. Many years ago my employer was exploring ways of reducing damage from bomb blasts outside the building. The recommended answer was to install a clear film on the windows and use special tear-resistant net curtains one and a half times the drop of the window. The surplus curtain was weighted and lived in a box on the window sill. The concept being that the film would stop the glass from shattering into shards and the curtain/box would retain all the larger pieces so they wouldn't fly around the offices.
My employer was happy to pay for the window film but not the curtains and boxes. The end result being that in the event of an explosion, instead of staff getting small pieces of glass stuck in their face they would all be decapitated by lots of large panes hurtling through the office at high velocity. You pay your money you take your choice.7
