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POST-MATCH THREAD: Stoke City v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 5th September 2026: KO 12:30

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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 53,256
    I think Jones does let the schedule stuff get to much into his thought making process.

    But how can we play away the day after Stoke played at home, and then have a 12:30 start away at there’s next game.

    Make it make sense.
    My only problem with these scheduling complaints is that when it benefits us (and it will later in the season) it never/rarely works out that the opposition look tired etc.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 9,493

    Re the pen - Pretty sure I’d be right in saying that most supporters of any side would generally expect the ref to blow his whistle, give the two players a talking-to, and have the corner retaken. Maybe if it was given elsewhere on the pitch, it wouldn’t be as much of an issue, but the fact that the decision to give a foul resulted in a pen means most would feel that the punishment outweighs the infringement.

    Also pretty sure any other supporter of any other club would be slightly aggrieved to be on the wrong end of that decision, especially when you add it to the other three or four terrible decisions given in the game.

  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 24,792
    Pissed off at the performance 
    Pissed off at the Ref
    Pissed off at the result. 

    But

    10 points from our first 5 games is excellent. 

    Now let's get 10 points from our next 5 games. 
  • Turned it off after the first half. Very rare that I do that.

    Need a big response midweek
  • alan dugdale
    alan dugdale Posts: 3,151
    Couldn’t have been much of a worse day really. Charlton’s debacle, Palace and Millwall winning, horse bets on a par with today’s reffing performance and an arsewipe of a neighbour has a bonfire at 4pm on a hot Saturday afternoon.
    Kent, the only bright moment (excluding the bonfire).
  • sam3110 said:
    And to rub it in the other wankers in SE London and the muggy pricks in Surrey both win
    And Dykes scores twice for the Spanners
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 14,424
    edited September 5
    NJ is on my train home, laptop out watching the game back, shook his hand and said we go again Wednesday as I passed him, he sort of smiled but he's clearly pissed off.
    You are a much better person than I and many others on here.. I would be having a go at him for quite a few things after forking out no doubt well over a hundred quid to see that capitulation 
    Yes but, he's given us more good days than bad over the last 2 years, and I'd rather be disappointed coming home from Stoke after losing in the Championship than Stockport in league 1.
    The only time I have had the chance to meet a manager after a game was after Southend away on new year's Eve. 2 all draw. Karl Robinson was at the service station in McDonald's. I told him the reason why we didn't win is because we aren't playing our youngsters as much as we should specifically Aribo... Rest is history.. I'm not after huge gratifications but maybe a mention by Aribo or Karl or Charlton fans in general would be nice..
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 28,829
    Was hoping to go today as Stoke is one of three Championship ticks I need. Got stuck at a kids birthday party instead. Both torture but quite glad I didn’t make the trip. 
  • Not the best away day,  totally fell apart for half an hour,  dozy ref and strange team selection and that was that,  note to self don't do Stoke next season. 

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  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 5,662
    If we our results were 

    beat Derby 2-1 
    lost to WHU 4-0
    beat Preston 1-0
    beat Stoke 1-2 

    we would be over the moon with that start which is exactly the same points that we do have … 

    We are equal top of the championship after 5 games two home games coming up big chance to get at least another 4 points 

    let’s keep it in perspective guys …. 

  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,811
    Said on the match thread. Don't think it's a coincidence that this seems to happen against Stoke and Southampton. Jones is so on edge at the best of times so when we play them his history with them puts him even more on edge and it feeds through to the players loss of composure.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 14,424
    edited September 5
    NJ is on my train home, laptop out watching the game back, shook his hand and said we go again Wednesday as I passed him, he sort of smiled but he's clearly pissed off.
    You are a much better person than I and many others on here.. I would be having a go at him for quite a few things after forking out no doubt well over a hundred quid to see that capitulation 
    Having a go at someone on their way back from work. 
    Have a look at yourself 
    Give over.. I was saying it tongue in cheek but I would of said something... This is football it's different to your usual everyday job, people spend their money on you and you have a right to give your opinion within reason. 

    If you can't give your opinion then this site wouldn't exist.. and many commentators and pundits would be out the job. I wouldn't be rude but if you can't say what you think face to face then you shouldn't say it at all, especially online without any context. He could of told me "not now" and I would of respected that and left. And at later time send him a bouquet of flowers.. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 28,829
    edited September 5
    Said on the match thread. Don't think it's a coincidence that this seems to happen against Stoke and Southampton. Jones is so on edge at the best of times so when we play them his history with them puts him even more on edge and it feeds through to the players loss of composure.
    Good point. Maybe he overthinks it. The team selection today would certainly point to that. 
  • Started well and I was actually thinking to myself, how it was nice to finally see a Charlton team that looked like it was a physical match for a traditionally strong, powerful outfit.

    Then Madley decided to get involved. That is the softest of soft penalties. 9/10 that isn't given and if VAR is in the Championship then it is overturned as they were both holding, it is just that the Stoke bloke decided to throw himself to the floor.

    I am not for one moment saying Ouma had a good game, but as I said on the match thread the pile on was embarassing and seems to fit this Charlton Fan obsession with having someone to scapegoat and slag off. He clearly wasn't passing to Grant for the second, it was an attempted clearance that hit our player and dropped perfectly for Stoke. If you are going to call out Ouma why are you not equally questioning Skipp? A player established in this country who has played loads in the premier league and championship was utterly anonymous.

    TBH I am more concerned with how poor Bindon has looked in his 2 games. His weak header gave West Brom a goal on Weds and he completely went to sleep for the 3rd goal today. Stood and watched the bloke. So he is currently 2 games played, 2 goals on him.

    The 4th goal sums up a day when everything that could go wrong did. Their player was jumping out of the way of a shot going wide and it clips his heel and goes in.

    All that being said the collective mental collapse for 20 minutes after the penalty stunk of Charlton teams of yesteryear.

    Back to the referee and Linesman, I actually think the corner not given from the back pass was up there as one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. It was 3 yards over the line when their keeper cleared it.

    I left the 'hi-lights' running at full time as I wanted to see McNamara's sending off again. An absolute joke of a decision. He was sent off for pointing at the goal which was interpreted as waving his hand asking for a card. Utter nonsense.
    From what i've read he was a bit slow to get going on loan at Sheff Utd and even lost his place in the side, but then came back in and did brilliantly. So perhaps he just needs a bit of time to settle in. Got to bear in mind he's not even been here for a week yet and he's only 21.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,967
    Said on the match thread. Don't think it's a coincidence that this seems to happen against Stoke and Southampton. Jones is so on edge at the best of times so when we play them his history with them puts him even more on edge and it feeds through to the players loss of composure.
    I'm firmly on Team Jones but I will absolutely admit that he has a couple of weird hang-ups psychologically when he's against sides he "failed" at. He has colossal amounts of self-confidence which is normally a strength but when it runs up against the fact that certain sides actually fired him for his performances there it seems to drive him way too far into his own head sometimes.
  • panther10
    panther10 Posts: 471
    Yes ref was poor , with a chance to go back top ,nathan then makes to many changes and it well and truly back fired 
  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 1,282
    Said on the match thread. Don't think it's a coincidence that this seems to happen against Stoke and Southampton. Jones is so on edge at the best of times so when we play them his history with them puts him even more on edge and it feeds through to the players loss of composure.
    You are a deep thinker, Canters.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 36,844
    Started well and I was actually thinking to myself, how it was nice to finally see a Charlton team that looked like it was a physical match for a traditionally strong, powerful outfit.

    Then Madley decided to get involved. That is the softest of soft penalties. 9/10 that isn't given and if VAR is in the Championship then it is overturned as they were both holding, it is just that the Stoke bloke decided to throw himself to the floor.

    I am not for one moment saying Ouma had a good game, but as I said on the match thread the pile on was embarassing and seems to fit this Charlton Fan obsession with having someone to scapegoat and slag off. He clearly wasn't passing to Grant for the second, it was an attempted clearance that hit our player and dropped perfectly for Stoke. If you are going to call out Ouma why are you not equally questioning Skipp? A player established in this country who has played loads in the premier league and championship was utterly anonymous.

    TBH I am more concerned with how poor Bindon has looked in his 2 games. His weak header gave West Brom a goal on Weds and he completely went to sleep for the 3rd goal today. Stood and watched the bloke. So he is currently 2 games played, 2 goals on him.

    The 4th goal sums up a day when everything that could go wrong did. Their player was jumping out of the way of a shot going wide and it clips his heel and goes in.

    All that being said the collective mental collapse for 20 minutes after the penalty stunk of Charlton teams of yesteryear.

    Back to the referee and Linesman, I actually think the corner not given from the back pass was up there as one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. It was 3 yards over the line when their keeper cleared it.

    I left the 'hi-lights' running at full time as I wanted to see McNamara's sending off again. An absolute joke of a decision. He was sent off for pointing at the goal which was interpreted as waving his hand asking for a card. Utter nonsense.
    From what i've read he was a bit slow to get going on loan at Sheff Utd and even lost his place in the side, but then came back in and did brilliantly. So perhaps he just needs a bit of time to settle in. Got to bear in mind he's not even been here for a week yet and he's only 21.
    It's as if joining your team mates before the season starts so you get to gel together might be something to try . Just saying....🤷‍♂️
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,811
    Anyone surprised that someone who would make a video hating on disabled people would also referee like a complete twat.  

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  • Started well and I was actually thinking to myself, how it was nice to finally see a Charlton team that looked like it was a physical match for a traditionally strong, powerful outfit.

    Then Madley decided to get involved. That is the softest of soft penalties. 9/10 that isn't given and if VAR is in the Championship then it is overturned as they were both holding, it is just that the Stoke bloke decided to throw himself to the floor.

    I am not for one moment saying Ouma had a good game, but as I said on the match thread the pile on was embarassing and seems to fit this Charlton Fan obsession with having someone to scapegoat and slag off. He clearly wasn't passing to Grant for the second, it was an attempted clearance that hit our player and dropped perfectly for Stoke. If you are going to call out Ouma why are you not equally questioning Skipp? A player established in this country who has played loads in the premier league and championship was utterly anonymous.

    TBH I am more concerned with how poor Bindon has looked in his 2 games. His weak header gave West Brom a goal on Weds and he completely went to sleep for the 3rd goal today. Stood and watched the bloke. So he is currently 2 games played, 2 goals on him.

    The 4th goal sums up a day when everything that could go wrong did. Their player was jumping out of the way of a shot going wide and it clips his heel and goes in.

    All that being said the collective mental collapse for 20 minutes after the penalty stunk of Charlton teams of yesteryear.

    Back to the referee and Linesman, I actually think the corner not given from the back pass was up there as one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. It was 3 yards over the line when their keeper cleared it.

    I left the 'hi-lights' running at full time as I wanted to see McNamara's sending off again. An absolute joke of a decision. He was sent off for pointing at the goal which was interpreted as waving his hand asking for a card. Utter nonsense.
    From what i've read he was a bit slow to get going on loan at Sheff Utd and even lost his place in the side, but then came back in and did brilliantly. So perhaps he just needs a bit of time to settle in. Got to bear in mind he's not even been here for a week yet and he's only 21.
    It's as if joining your team mates before the season starts so you get to gel together might be something to try . Just saying....🤷‍♂️
    It's as if we didn't need him until Collins and Koumetio got injured. Just saying.
  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 11,215
    It’s as if you can see the pure joy on golfie’s face as he posts when the wheels come off.
  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 11,215
    … just saying 🤷‍♂️
  • Ouch, back down to earth with a bump!

    An absolute horror show, well done the fans that made it and carried on singing despite what was going on the pitch.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 31,266
    Started well and I was actually thinking to myself, how it was nice to finally see a Charlton team that looked like it was a physical match for a traditionally strong, powerful outfit.

    Then Madley decided to get involved. That is the softest of soft penalties. 9/10 that isn't given and if VAR is in the Championship then it is overturned as they were both holding, it is just that the Stoke bloke decided to throw himself to the floor.

    I am not for one moment saying Ouma had a good game, but as I said on the match thread the pile on was embarassing and seems to fit this Charlton Fan obsession with having someone to scapegoat and slag off. He clearly wasn't passing to Grant for the second, it was an attempted clearance that hit our player and dropped perfectly for Stoke. If you are going to call out Ouma why are you not equally questioning Skipp? A player established in this country who has played loads in the premier league and championship was utterly anonymous.

    TBH I am more concerned with how poor Bindon has looked in his 2 games. His weak header gave West Brom a goal on Weds and he completely went to sleep for the 3rd goal today. Stood and watched the bloke. So he is currently 2 games played, 2 goals on him.

    The 4th goal sums up a day when everything that could go wrong did. Their player was jumping out of the way of a shot going wide and it clips his heel and goes in.

    All that being said the collective mental collapse for 20 minutes after the penalty stunk of Charlton teams of yesteryear.

    Back to the referee and Linesman, I actually think the corner not given from the back pass was up there as one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. It was 3 yards over the line when their keeper cleared it.

    I left the 'hi-lights' running at full time as I wanted to see McNamara's sending off again. An absolute joke of a decision. He was sent off for pointing at the goal which was interpreted as waving his hand asking for a card. Utter nonsense.
    From what i've read he was a bit slow to get going on loan at Sheff Utd and even lost his place in the side, but then came back in and did brilliantly. So perhaps he just needs a bit of time to settle in. Got to bear in mind he's not even been here for a week yet and he's only 21.
    Bindon let his man go for the header goal, despite Jones telling him that the scorer was his man before the cross came over.
  • Addicksi
    Addicksi Posts: 418
    Started well and I was actually thinking to myself, how it was nice to finally see a Charlton team that looked like it was a physical match for a traditionally strong, powerful outfit.

    Then Madley decided to get involved. That is the softest of soft penalties. 9/10 that isn't given and if VAR is in the Championship then it is overturned as they were both holding, it is just that the Stoke bloke decided to throw himself to the floor.

    I am not for one moment saying Ouma had a good game, but as I said on the match thread the pile on was embarassing and seems to fit this Charlton Fan obsession with having someone to scapegoat and slag off. He clearly wasn't passing to Grant for the second, it was an attempted clearance that hit our player and dropped perfectly for Stoke. If you are going to call out Ouma why are you not equally questioning Skipp? A player established in this country who has played loads in the premier league and championship was utterly anonymous.

    TBH I am more concerned with how poor Bindon has looked in his 2 games. His weak header gave West Brom a goal on Weds and he completely went to sleep for the 3rd goal today. Stood and watched the bloke. So he is currently 2 games played, 2 goals on him.

    The 4th goal sums up a day when everything that could go wrong did. Their player was jumping out of the way of a shot going wide and it clips his heel and goes in.

    All that being said the collective mental collapse for 20 minutes after the penalty stunk of Charlton teams of yesteryear.

    Back to the referee and Linesman, I actually think the corner not given from the back pass was up there as one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. It was 3 yards over the line when their keeper cleared it.

    I left the 'hi-lights' running at full time as I wanted to see McNamara's sending off again. An absolute joke of a decision. He was sent off for pointing at the goal which was interpreted as waving his hand asking for a card. Utter nonsense.
    From what i've read he was a bit slow to get going on loan at Sheff Utd and even lost his place in the side, but then came back in and did brilliantly. So perhaps he just needs a bit of time to settle in. Got to bear in mind he's not even been here for a week yet and he's only 21.
    It's as if joining your team mates before the season starts so you get to gel together might be something to try . Just saying....🤷‍♂️

    He was signed later because of injuries to Collins and Billy. 
  • Chef_addick
    Chef_addick Posts: 2,215
    I blame the purple kit, currently 9-4 aggregate score against us, an torn ACL, another CB out and a red card!! 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 28,331
    edited September 5
    I know Collins' injury is season ending iirc, but when the fu*k are Josh, Kayne, Nathaniel and Billy gonna be fit, not to mention Matty and Charlie, our injuries seem to take an age to recover for some reason...
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 33,381
    Started well and I was actually thinking to myself, how it was nice to finally see a Charlton team that looked like it was a physical match for a traditionally strong, powerful outfit.

    Then Madley decided to get involved. That is the softest of soft penalties. 9/10 that isn't given and if VAR is in the Championship then it is overturned as they were both holding, it is just that the Stoke bloke decided to throw himself to the floor.

    I am not for one moment saying Ouma had a good game, but as I said on the match thread the pile on was embarassing and seems to fit this Charlton Fan obsession with having someone to scapegoat and slag off. He clearly wasn't passing to Grant for the second, it was an attempted clearance that hit our player and dropped perfectly for Stoke. If you are going to call out Ouma why are you not equally questioning Skipp? A player established in this country who has played loads in the premier league and championship was utterly anonymous.

    TBH I am more concerned with how poor Bindon has looked in his 2 games. His weak header gave West Brom a goal on Weds and he completely went to sleep for the 3rd goal today. Stood and watched the bloke. So he is currently 2 games played, 2 goals on him.

    The 4th goal sums up a day when everything that could go wrong did. Their player was jumping out of the way of a shot going wide and it clips his heel and goes in.

    All that being said the collective mental collapse for 20 minutes after the penalty stunk of Charlton teams of yesteryear.

    Back to the referee and Linesman, I actually think the corner not given from the back pass was up there as one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. It was 3 yards over the line when their keeper cleared it.

    I left the 'hi-lights' running at full time as I wanted to see McNamara's sending off again. An absolute joke of a decision. He was sent off for pointing at the goal which was interpreted as waving his hand asking for a card. Utter nonsense.
    From what i've read he was a bit slow to get going on loan at Sheff Utd and even lost his place in the side, but then came back in and did brilliantly. So perhaps he just needs a bit of time to settle in. Got to bear in mind he's not even been here for a week yet and he's only 21.
    Bindon let his man go for the header goal, despite Jones telling him that the scorer was his man before the cross came over.
    It might get a bit lost in the overall calamity of the day, but that third goal was a real shocker. 
  • I know Collins' injury is season ending iirc, but when the fu*k are Josh, Kayne, Nathaniel and Billy gonna be fit, not to mention Matty and Charlie, our injuries seem to take an age to recover..
    There’s no logic in rushing players back, it’s so early in the season if they come back too early and get injured again then what?