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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 24,612
    edited September 13
    I was referring to the charge that Slot never won the league as it was 'Klopp's team', which kept getting repeated by absolute idiots despite it (or perhaps because of it) being absolutely idiotic 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,840
    edited September 13
    Leuth said:
    I was referring to the charge that Slot never won the league as it was 'Klopp's team', which kept getting repeated by absolute idiots despite it (or perhaps because of it) being absolutely idiotic 
    I get why people say it was Klopp's team though, as that summer Liverpool didn't sign anyone (only Chiesa) and Slot had to make do with what was already there. However i don't think Slot is some managerial genius and Liverpool suddenly ran away with the league because of him.

    Ultimately it was basically because of an all timer season from Salah (29 goals + 18 assists) that won it. It will be a long time before we see those numbers from 1 player again.
  • Leuth said:
    I was referring to the charge that Slot never won the league as it was 'Klopp's team', which kept getting repeated by absolute idiots despite it (or perhaps because of it) being absolutely idiotic 
    I get why people say it was Klopp's team though, as that summer Liverpool didn't sign anyone (only Chiesa) and Slot had to make do with what was already there. However i don't think Slot is some managerial genius and Liverpool suddenly ran away with the league because of him.

    Ultimately it basically because of an all timer season from Salah (29 goals + 18 assists) that won it. It will be a long time before we see those numbers from 1 player again.
    Unless Harry Kane comes back to Tottenham! :-)
  • Don’t know if it’s been said but Konsa gave away a very similar pen to Ouma 
  • Leuth said:
    I was referring to the charge that Slot never won the league as it was 'Klopp's team', which kept getting repeated by absolute idiots despite it (or perhaps because of it) being absolutely idiotic 
    I get why people say it was Klopp's team though, as that summer Liverpool didn't sign anyone (only Chiesa) and Slot had to make do with what was already there. However i don't think Slot is some managerial genius and Liverpool suddenly ran away with the league because of him.

    Ultimately it was basically because of an all timer season from Salah (29 goals + 18 assists) that won it. It will be a long time before we see those numbers from 1 player again.
    Very harsh to suggest they won the League based purely on Salah. Lots of players have exceptional individual seasons and it doesn't always translate to title wins.

    If you listen to anyone who has won the Premier League they will tell you how difficult it is to win. Slot won it on his first season, managing a transition from an all time great manager, and without signing a single first team player. Clubs are routinely spending hundreds of millions a season to try and compete in the top half and Slot won a title spending nothing. 

    I actually think it was a very under rated achievement. Granted the second season was poor but in the same way winning one title doesn't make him an all time great, one poor season doesn't make him a buffoon like some Liverpool fans seem to suggest.

    I loved Klopp and clearly his record stacks up better than Slot's overall but let's not forget they both won the same amount of league titles. Klopp had Salah, Van Dijk, Robertson etc at their peak and still only got it over the line once.
  • Dave Mackay has the same number of league titles as Brian Clough, but nobody considers him to be the same level of manager, as he inherited Clough's team.

    Which isn't to say that Slot didn't do a good job, but he inherited a very good team, that the previous season finished 3rd with 82 points. Slot won with 84 points, the big difference being that City and Arsenal were much worse than in the previous season.

  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,983
    Brighton currently singing “you’re going down with the Palace” to Coventry 
  • MrBurns
    MrBurns Posts: 2,086
    How long until Fat Frank is sacked 
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,983
    Ouch 5-0 now

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  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 24,794
    MrBurns said:
    How long until Fat Frank is sacked 
    Very weird summer transfer window for them, feel like they brought in a load of young players for the future but not a lot of players for "right now" to improve them. 

    Probably hoping for a miracle to stay up and if not they take the money, pocket a lot of it and hope they're younger players get them up again next year
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 11,046
    sam3110 said:
    MrBurns said:
    How long until Fat Frank is sacked 
    Very weird summer transfer window for them, feel like they brought in a load of young players for the future but not a lot of players for "right now" to improve them. 

    Probably hoping for a miracle to stay up and if not they take the money, pocket a lot of it and hope they're younger players get them up again next year
    Yeah they've signed a lot of young players for big fees but not a lot of prem nous which I think they've missed a trick with. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 11,046

  • sam3110 said:
    MrBurns said:
    How long until Fat Frank is sacked 
    Very weird summer transfer window for them, feel like they brought in a load of young players for the future but not a lot of players for "right now" to improve them. 

    Probably hoping for a miracle to stay up and if not they take the money, pocket a lot of it and hope they're younger players get them up again next year
    I mean it’s the best way to try and do it for a team with less finances than their competitors. 

    You win the lottery by getting out the champ. You then make a team that in theory will just bounce back from your relegation that season.
    staying up at the first time of asking in the prem is so insanely difficult 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 16,328
    The problem is, even if they've had the conversation and are genuinely okay with going down because they believe they'll come back stronger next season with the experience, if Coventry start getting pumped every week, it’ll become toxic. At that point, Lampard will probably have to go regardless.
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 8,750
    edited September 13
    I notice, prematch, that the sky presenter spoke about all the prem clubs being united in an effort to raise awareness and support for people affected by suicide and suicidal thoughts. Very commendable.
    She then said anyone affected should call the number coming up on screen. Unfortunately, they then went straight to adverts. The number never appeared.

    Pretty shameful.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 33,376
    I quite like Haaland telling Foden to just get off the pitch! 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 22,797
    edited September 13
    Brainless from Foden but Fernandes is lucky not to be booked at least
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 16,328
    Hmm, Bruno a bit naughty there as well and got away with it. 
    Foden bit of an idiot reacting though. 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,689
    edited September 13
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  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 8,750
    fenaddick said:
    Brainless from Foden but Fernandes is lucky not to be booked at least
    Quite.
    I don’t see how Fernandes got nothing for that.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,983
    fenaddick said:
    Brainless from Foden but Fernandes is lucky not to be booked at least
    I don’t see how Fernandes has got away with nothing there. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 24,482
    As a neutral it should've been a yellow for Fernandez and Red for Foden.
  • Listening on the radio but is it the case where the ref could of easily said FFS lads what are you doing? And book them both for being idiots. 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,689
    fenaddick said:
    Brainless from Foden but Fernandes is lucky not to be booked at least
    I don’t see how Fernandes has got away with nothing there. 
    It's Man United at Old Trafford
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 16,328
    Listening on the radio but is it the case where the ref could of easily said FFS lads what are you doing? And book them both for being idiots. 
    In the age of VAR Foden has to go for that. We can't just start allowing players to kick out at opponents because 'it's a derby'. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 22,797
    Listening on the radio but is it the case where the ref could of easily said FFS lads what are you doing? And book them both for being idiots. 
    No, Foden’s kicked out and put his studs in Fernandes’ stomach. It’s a red all day long 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 23,279
    edited September 13
    fenaddick said:
    Listening on the radio but is it the case where the ref could of easily said FFS lads what are you doing? And book them both for being idiots. 
    No, Foden’s kicked out and put his studs in Fernandes’ stomach. It’s a red all day long 
    Fernandes made a meal of it...
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 24,482
    edited September 13
    Listening on the radio but is it the case where the ref could of easily said FFS lads what are you doing? And book them both for being idiots. 
    In the age of VAR Foden has to go for that. We can't just start allowing players to kick out at opponents because 'it's a derby'. 

    Nothing to do with VAR ?
    Retaliation kicks into the gut have always been red cards.
    Red and Yellow cards were introduced into the English domestic game in 1976 before that it was the fickle finger of fate pointing to the dressing room for kicks in the gut etc. 

  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 43,395
    Foden missed a trick. After being kicked he should have rolled around for a few minutes. The minimum that Fernandes would have got is a yellow.