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Manchester City’s 115 charges and legal action - Premier League statement p9
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Somehow, the more that comes out, I suspect when this is all finally decided Man City fans singing ‘we’re not really here’ at a football match could well turn out to be factual.0
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That would make a decent stadium for the Commonwealth Games if they remove one end of the ground and build a new stand a bit further back.Miserableoldgit said:6 -
Guess now's a good time to get rid of Haaland from any FPL teams0
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£900,000,000 just to cheat at football, how much will they spend on lawyers to pretend it never happened?3
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£900,000,000/553,000 =£1,627.49 for every single person in Manchester, doesn’t sound as bad that way does it???0
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Everything i have heard is that employees are starting to look to jump ship urgently, as the word inside is that they are fucked. Employees from within the club confidently stating they wont be a premier league club next season and with the running costs on top of them, there will need to be a firesale.
I honestly think this could finish them off.2 -
But Liam said they're gonna get away with everything?DamoNorthStand said:Everything i have heard is that employees are starting to look to jump ship urgently, as the word inside is that they are fucked. Employees from within the club confidently stating they wont be a premier league club next season and with the running costs on top of them, there will need to be a firesale.
I honestly think this could finish them off.
Don't look back in anger our kid2 -
Guardiola needs to come into question as well. Happy to run the gravy train but then jump ship when it hits the fan.3
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If they fail with the appeal (as i expect they will), i think they'll take it all the way to the high court and try to argue the commission wasn't impartial and they didn't get a fair trial.cabbles said:I’ve never really minded City as a club, and even with the investment it at least brought another challenger into the top end of the Prem. But after today’s verdict, throw the book at them. I wonder how much pressure the owners will start to put on the UK government. I wouldn’t be surprised if their tentacles are wrapped around lots of trade, investments etc.
Agree with @MarcusH26, hope the EPL tell the owners they can’t come anywhere near English football ever again, cheating scum
If everything fails then i don't see how the owners could continue. You can't be found guilty of this over such a long period and then carry on. I'd expect they'll be forced to sell the club. As for what state the club will be in and what division it will be in, is anyones guess.
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Surely this is going to involve criminal charges. People are going to be doing jail time for this - it is financial fraud / falsification of accounts at an unprecedented level.1
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Man City buy players at exorbitant prices and pay them at mouth-watering wages. It sets a precedent that other clubs have to follow to compete. A third of premier team players are bankrupt with three years of retiring. Man City should be expelled to League 1 , that will teach them a lesson. They are so rich so fines is not enough punishment.1
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The most bizarre thing in the entire report is that the one charge City got not guilty on, was a non-cooperation charge.
How the fuck did they get away with that after not cooperating at all for years?!0 -
Only one of the non-cooperation charge, they were guilty on the othersChris_from_Sidcup said:The most bizarre thing in the entire report is that the one charge City got not guilty on, was a non-cooperation charge.
How the fuck did they get away with that after not cooperating at all for years?!0 -
Just realised there will be quite a big impact on the loan market if they get relegated. 6 City loan players in the Championship and 2 in L1 going purely of FotMob which will only include players it considers as first team.
If they go down then some of those players would be needed by City1 -
DamoNorthStand said:Surely this is going to involve criminal charges. People are going to be doing jail time for this - it is financial fraud / falsification of accounts at an unprecedented level.Money coming in from so-called third parties when those third parties are also owned or controlled by Mansour is just creative accounting - moving money from one entity to another! Unless there is tax evasion, money laundering or there are victims of any opaque accounting then it's difficult to see any provable criminal wrongdoing, or at least it doesn't appear so (but I could be wrong of course - just surmising). It's all tied up in Abu Dhabi's sovereign wealth fund, which includes Etihad, and Sheikh Mansour has his fingers in pretty much every pie in the UAE.Breaking EPL rules is not in of itself criminal.6
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Same as he did at Barca.SELR_addicks said:Guardiola needs to come into question as well. Happy to run the gravy train but then jump ship when it hits the fan.2 -
The owners, directors and officers who were engaged in the conspiracy to defraud need to be kicked out of football for good. The owners' arrogance and bellicose statements are sickening, as was the chairman's statement that he would “rather spend £30 million on the 50 best lawyers in the world to sue [Uefa] for the next 10 years” than accept a fine.
I'd also like to see them joined as defendants in any recovery action by the Premier League clubs who have preserved their right to claim compensation. Although the contractual claim will be against Man City, there are presumably grounds to join some individuals as defendants on the grounds that they conspired to fraudulently misrepresent the club's financial position to enhance City's position and damage that of competitor clubs.
The owners are not short of a bob or two and the club will have had Directors and Officers policies with some unfortunate insurer.2 -
I'm starting to think it might be a bad idea to have nation-states own football clubs...bobmunro said:DamoNorthStand said:Surely this is going to involve criminal charges. People are going to be doing jail time for this - it is financial fraud / falsification of accounts at an unprecedented level.Money coming in from so-called third parties when those third parties are also owned or controlled by Mansour is just creative accounting - moving money from one entity to another! Unless there is tax evasion, money laundering or there are victims of any opaque accounting then it's difficult to see any provable criminal wrongdoing, or at least it doesn't appear so (but I could be wrong of course - just surmising). It's all tied up in Abu Dhabi's sovereign wealth fund, which includes Etihad, and Sheikh Mansour has his fingers in pretty much every pie in the UAE.Breaking EPL rules is not in of itself criminal.5 -
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Would love PSG to be dug into as well.9
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Ferguson took 7 years to win his first title,he built that team around bruce and Pallister who were hardly stellar signings,H e bought Schmichael for around £500,000 .He then brought in the class of 92,plus of course the likes of Keen,Cantona.But there was no sugar daddy chucking billions around.Transfers were paid for out of the money generated by continual success and of course regular sell out crowds .That is the difference,the Arabs just came in chucked in limitless amounts of money and demanded instant success,which they achieved,now we know by fiddling the books.Fergusons continued success put him in the position whereby he could sign the best players,that was his job,and didnt he do it well.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Sorry what?thickandthin63 said:
How can you compare fergusons record with citys.Ferguson was at united nearly 4 years before he won a trophy.City came and just put unlimited cash towards instant success.Ferguson built his great team around wonderful home grown talent and very astute buying,not just hoovering up every top player that became available.Arsen Venger built his team from scratch and today Arsenal are still probably the best run club in the Premier league.I really hope that this does lasting damage to City,also Chelsea,as they are now slowly slipping from the top table.ForeverAddickted said:soapboxsam said:Obviously other than the freak year that Leicester won the Premier it's going to be a team with loads of money that wins titles; that is a Shay Given !
So Chelsea and Man can cheat on an industrial scale and that is ok and fans of other clubs shouldn't be bothered !
Blimey O'Riley ( Irish International 🤔) Chelsea won 21 trophies in 19 years under the Russian agent Oligarch Abramovich and if you don't have rules you have anarchy.
Man City have won 26 trophies since 2008 under the vast wealth of Abu Dhabi united group.
47 trophies that could have gone to other clubs iF the cheating started early in the tenure of either Clubs by the present owners of Man city and the past owner of Chelsea.So what about the trophies won by Arsenal / Man Utd / Liverpool in the decades before?Ferguson won around 30 trophies in a 20-year spell... Man City have won 26-trophies in an 18-year spell...Why was that okay? - Because the rules setup to protect those same clubs weren't in place? - Disguised as a means to protect the small clubs from themselves, so that the likes of Bury (when it eventually happened) would be a limited case, but hasn't stopped Sheff Wed / Reading from very almost going the same way.
Ferguson broke the transfer record countless times and had a free run at most of the leagues top players (Rooney, Rio, Keane, Berbatov, Carrick, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, Ince, Van Persie, Sheringham etc) because United were the biggest club and had the most money.
If there was a player doing well at a lesser club, Ferguson tried to sign him. I think the only major ones he failed with domestically in 20+ years were Gazza and Shearer.7 -
Especially when it's been reported that UAE officials are warning that an adverse verdict against City could threaten billions in Emirati investment in the UK ! Not a complete surprise, given that Boris Johnson's government were apparently trying to put pressure the Premier League to push through the Saudi Arabian takeover of Newcastle. The pulling of high level diplomatic levers goes with the territory.SDAddick said:
I'm starting to think it might be a bad idea to have nation-states own football clubs...bobmunro said:DamoNorthStand said:Surely this is going to involve criminal charges. People are going to be doing jail time for this - it is financial fraud / falsification of accounts at an unprecedented level.Money coming in from so-called third parties when those third parties are also owned or controlled by Mansour is just creative accounting - moving money from one entity to another! Unless there is tax evasion, money laundering or there are victims of any opaque accounting then it's difficult to see any provable criminal wrongdoing, or at least it doesn't appear so (but I could be wrong of course - just surmising). It's all tied up in Abu Dhabi's sovereign wealth fund, which includes Etihad, and Sheikh Mansour has his fingers in pretty much every pie in the UAE.Breaking EPL rules is not in of itself criminal.
Arsène Wenger called it right all those years ago - financial doping on a grand scale.1 -
This is absolutely huge. I'm shocked at the scale of it now that it's all coming out.A fine is pointless & not severe enough anyway. They should get a massive points deduction that guarantees relegation.I'll believe it when I see it though1
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If they dont relegate them as an absolute minimum the premier leagues credibility is over and they will know it.
They will simply have no choice but to do it.3 -
Relegation via a massive points deduction is not a significant punishment when they will just bounce straight back with 100+ points. Expulsion from the EPL and then let the EFL and non League decide if and where to let them back in...DamoNorthStand said:If they dont relegate them as an absolute minimum the premier leagues credibility is over and they will knowt it.
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The better option I heard suggested was relegation to L2 but they would also not be allowed a promotion for the first 5 seasons there thus ensuring they would be away from the PL for at least 9 years.newyorkaddick said:
Relegation via a massive points deduction is not a significant punishment when they will just bounce straight back with 100+ points. Expulsion from the EPL and then let the EFL and non League decide if and where to let them back in...DamoNorthStand said:If they dont relegate them as an absolute minimum the premier leagues credibility is over and they will knowt it.
They will simply have no choice but to do it.7 -
I don't see how that would work or what the point of that would be.Hex said:
The better option I heard suggested was relegation to L2 but they would also not be allowed a promotion for the first 5 seasons there thus ensuring they would be away from the PL for at least 9 years.newyorkaddick said:
Relegation via a massive points deduction is not a significant punishment when they will just bounce straight back with 100+ points. Expulsion from the EPL and then let the EFL and non League decide if and where to let them back in...DamoNorthStand said:If they dont relegate them as an absolute minimum the premier leagues credibility is over and they will knowt it.
They will simply have no choice but to do it.
Also, given the charges are from the Premier League, surely all they can do is implement punishment that's connected to the Premier League (i.e. fines, points deduction for the Prem, etc.), not implement punishment in the Football League (correct me if I'm wrong here).3 -
I believe ... the PL can expell them and as a separate competition the EFL could refuse them entry or require them to start in L2 for example. The reason for keeping them in L2 rather than restarting at the foot of the pyramid is purely from a crowd safety perspective.SDAddick said:
I don't see how that would work or what the point of that would be.Hex said:
The better option I heard suggested was relegation to L2 but they would also not be allowed a promotion for the first 5 seasons there thus ensuring they would be away from the PL for at least 9 years.newyorkaddick said:
Relegation via a massive points deduction is not a significant punishment when they will just bounce straight back with 100+ points. Expulsion from the EPL and then let the EFL and non League decide if and where to let them back in...DamoNorthStand said:If they dont relegate them as an absolute minimum the premier leagues credibility is over and they will knowt it.
They will simply have no choice but to do it.
Also, given the charges are from the Premier League, surely all they can do is implement punishment that's connected to the Premier League (i.e. fines, points deduction for the Prem, etc.), not implement punishment in the Football League (correct me if I'm wrong here).3 -
With £900m in misreported finances it would be amazing if HMRC, and possibly other authorities, weren't looking at this very carefully. Then again, as they were over inflating their value, perhaps they were paying more tax than they should for the 'privilege'?1
