Timothy Ouma signs on a season long loan

fenaddick said:

MarcusH26 said:

fenaddick said:

MarcusH26 said:

Just disappointing really stuck with him until Jan now and it's clear he's broken trust with Nathan which we know is very hard to regain. 

The positive is it might free up space for a Chalobah style player to come in in January and we have 2 months to work out who that is. I notice Holsgrove has had a decent start to the season...

I'd be hoping the budget is there for a Holsgrove type regardless of what the ownership situation is. 

Budget might be but we need the squad space to register players

There's about 5 we could happily get shot of. Apter, Knibbs, Alli, Ouma, Costello

Chunes said:

sam3110 said:

Has previous for it but instead of it being anything underhand or nefarious, it's probably a case of a young man (remember he's 22) taking the opportunity of being back home to touch base with his family before flying back to Europe. 

Think there's a lot of people in life that like to pile on regarding things like this without taking into account the human beings behind the athletes

Imagine he works in your bar and there some shifts he just doesn't show up for, and he doesn't phone in sick either. 

Anthiny Bourdain, the great chef, said
'as an employer, I quickly came to understand that there are two types of people in this world: There are the type of people who are going to live up to what they said they were going to do yesterday, and then there are people who are full of shit. And that’s all you really need to know. If you can’t be bothered to show up, why should anybody show up? It’s just the end of the fucking world.'

The audacity to do this when he’s been nothing but shit for us is admirable.

fat man on a moped said:

CAFCsayer said:

Chunes said:

sam3110 said:

Has previous for it but instead of it being anything underhand or nefarious, it's probably a case of a young man (remember he's 22) taking the opportunity of being back home to touch base with his family before flying back to Europe. 

Think there's a lot of people in life that like to pile on regarding things like this without taking into account the human beings behind the athletes

Imagine he works in your bar and there some shifts he just doesn't show up for, and he doesn't phone in sick either. 

And you'd already warned them that this can't happen again, as you'd heard he previously had a reputation for not turning up to work (which I'm sure people at the club did)

They should have done, Nathan Jones when Ouma signed "He’s a player that we’ve monitored for a long, long time"

The again the Club pretty much says that about all our signings

I got a quick AI overview of fan views on him at both Slavia and Lech. Two things stand out. Here is a Slavia fan:
“We wanted him so badly on two occasions, paid quite a lot for him, only to discover almost immediately in pre-season that it was a mistake.”

and a Legia fan:
"Ouma was a difficult player to assess definitively, acknowledging his conspicuous mistakes — poor touches, inaccurate passes and balls seemingly running underneath his foot — while also recognising that coach Niels Frederiksen had managed to rebuild his confidence and that Ouma had produced important performances, including against Legia Warsaw."

Rich Cawley seems fairly sure that we knew about his time at Lech and therefore his going AWOL and their reaction. But I wonder, does it extend to being able to call someone up and get a personal view on a player? We know it happens between managers in England all the time, but does it fall down when we are looking abroad? It shouldn't. Like everything else today's pro football world is far more globally connected than ever before. We wouldn't have go the truth out of Slavia, as they obviously want to offload him, at least for the season, but Lech, with a Swedish coach? Even now, it would be worth NJ having a chat with Mr Frederiksen, who almost certainly speaks excellent English.

CAFCsayer said:

wmcf123 said:

fenaddick said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Damning indictment of our recruitment this year 

A mistake on one player is a damning indictment of all our recruitment?

It was unremarkable recruitment , largely due to the low budget .  McNamara is ok, so is Grant .  Koumetio will be good if he can stay fit .  Mesik is fine .  Chalobah, Ouma and Alli are or will be duds for a variety of different reasons , in my opinion.  The goalkeeper is the real success .  

Edit : Skipp is like a less good Coventry.  The two together is not a good watch . 

Think that's very harsh... Arthur, as you say, looks great. Mesik hasn't put a foot wrong and can play anywhere, Mac has been solid, Koumetio is class, Chalobah looks a different gravy (given, he is made of glass, so probably can be considered a poor signing if we don't get much more use out of him).  Karlan hasn't lived up to what we were hoping, but doesn't look bad and has pitched in with a few goals, and was free.

Ouma and Alli look duds and Skipp hasn't been great, but harsh on the rest

Don’t see it’s harsh to say Koumetio and Chalobah have been injured a lot.  

ElfsborgAddick said:

PragueAddick said:

fat man on a moped said:

CAFCsayer said:

Chunes said:

sam3110 said:

Has previous for it but instead of it being anything underhand or nefarious, it's probably a case of a young man (remember he's 22) taking the opportunity of being back home to touch base with his family before flying back to Europe. 

Think there's a lot of people in life that like to pile on regarding things like this without taking into account the human beings behind the athletes

Imagine he works in your bar and there some shifts he just doesn't show up for, and he doesn't phone in sick either. 

And you'd already warned them that this can't happen again, as you'd heard he previously had a reputation for not turning up to work (which I'm sure people at the club did)

They should have done, Nathan Jones when Ouma signed "He’s a player that we’ve monitored for a long, long time"

The again the Club pretty much says that about all our signings

I got a quick AI overview of fan views on him at both Slavia and Lech. Two things stand out. Here is a Slavia fan:
“We wanted him so badly on two occasions, paid quite a lot for him, only to discover almost immediately in pre-season that it was a mistake.”

and a Legia fan:
"Ouma was a difficult player to assess definitively, acknowledging his conspicuous mistakes — poor touches, inaccurate passes and balls seemingly running underneath his foot — while also recognising that coach Niels Frederiksen had managed to rebuild his confidence and that Ouma had produced important performances, including against Legia Warsaw."

Rich Cawley seems fairly sure that we knew about his time at Lech and therefore his going AWOL and their reaction. But I wonder, does it extend to being able to call someone up and get a personal view on a player? We know it happens between managers in England all the time, but does it fall down when we are looking abroad? It shouldn't. Like everything else today's pro football world is far more globally connected than ever before. We wouldn't have go the truth out of Slavia, as they obviously want to offload him, at least for the season, but Lech, with a Swedish coach? Even now, it would be worth NJ having a chat with Mr Frederiksen, who almost certainly speaks excellent English.

He reported back late with Elfsborg as well.

The guy clearly has attitude issues.

To be fair any man of honour and dignity would be reluctant to be associated with Elfsborg wouldn’t they?

lolwray said:

He's a professional footballer..he is very lucky to have a job as a well paid athlete .He should do the fundamentals that are required of him 

Yeah fair comment, I don't say it ignoring possible outside issues. I definitely don't pull in professional footballer money but the hell that gets kicked up if one of us isn't where we are meant to be when we are on the clock is mental nowadays. Done under the guise of duty of care but thats a fallacy as much as I accept there has to be some kind of duty of care. I don't kmow why he was late back, if he was late back, if he made contact with someone at the club to let them know he would be late back. My instincts tell me that he probably hasn't. Kenya isn't that far away and footballers can't leave social media alone including African ones. 

Silly prick 

DennisBooth said:

Swisdom said:

CAFCsayer said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Croydon said:

Looks like that rumour might be true after all

Surely it’s relevant as a journalist is asking the question? 

Reads to me like we will be sending him back and putting out a statement why

I agree.  That sctually sounds like we’ve binned him off.  

I heard that this was true but didn’t want to put it on here because anytime I do I get grief. There was no need to go in as heavily as you did on me Swisdom. 

Come on Dennis, you have been around this forum for long enough to know how Swisdon works.

When something is obviously wrong at the club with owners/managers/players/ceo he will criticize those who point out what we are seeing wrong with the owners/managers/players/ceo, tell us how we all need to back the people involved and the club, and all those who are criticizing  are all in the wrong 

More often than not the original observation will prove to be correct and over the following months/years he will post about them as if they were wrong uns all along.

On this occasion he has managed to follow this usual pattern which can sometimes take years to occur, to having one opinion in the morning of the game to having a complete turnaround in the evening of the game. 

2121 said:

His highlight reel makes him look like the forward playin g creative midfielder we desperately need. he wasnt very good in the first kenya game unfortunately, against a world class eritrea. Played like the legia fans comment above. Maybe needs to be managed delicately to get the best out of him?

Maybe he's made a good career off the back of his highlights reel, he should be charged commission.

ElfsborgAddick said:

PragueAddick said:

fat man on a moped said:

CAFCsayer said:

Chunes said:

sam3110 said:

Has previous for it but instead of it being anything underhand or nefarious, it's probably a case of a young man (remember he's 22) taking the opportunity of being back home to touch base with his family before flying back to Europe. 

Think there's a lot of people in life that like to pile on regarding things like this without taking into account the human beings behind the athletes

Imagine he works in your bar and there some shifts he just doesn't show up for, and he doesn't phone in sick either. 

And you'd already warned them that this can't happen again, as you'd heard he previously had a reputation for not turning up to work (which I'm sure people at the club did)

They should have done, Nathan Jones when Ouma signed "He’s a player that we’ve monitored for a long, long time"

The again the Club pretty much says that about all our signings

I got a quick AI overview of fan views on him at both Slavia and Lech. Two things stand out. Here is a Slavia fan:
“We wanted him so badly on two occasions, paid quite a lot for him, only to discover almost immediately in pre-season that it was a mistake.”

and a Legia fan:
"Ouma was a difficult player to assess definitively, acknowledging his conspicuous mistakes — poor touches, inaccurate passes and balls seemingly running underneath his foot — while also recognising that coach Niels Frederiksen had managed to rebuild his confidence and that Ouma had produced important performances, including against Legia Warsaw."

Rich Cawley seems fairly sure that we knew about his time at Lech and therefore his going AWOL and their reaction. But I wonder, does it extend to being able to call someone up and get a personal view on a player? We know it happens between managers in England all the time, but does it fall down when we are looking abroad? It shouldn't. Like everything else today's pro football world is far more globally connected than ever before. We wouldn't have go the truth out of Slavia, as they obviously want to offload him, at least for the season, but Lech, with a Swedish coach? Even now, it would be worth NJ having a chat with Mr Frederiksen, who almost certainly speaks excellent English.

He reported back late with Elfsborg as well.

The guy clearly has attitude issues.

Elfsborg probably took him on a tour of his local bars.

guinnessaddick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

PragueAddick said:

fat man on a moped said:

CAFCsayer said:

Chunes said:

sam3110 said:

Has previous for it but instead of it being anything underhand or nefarious, it's probably a case of a young man (remember he's 22) taking the opportunity of being back home to touch base with his family before flying back to Europe. 

Think there's a lot of people in life that like to pile on regarding things like this without taking into account the human beings behind the athletes

Imagine he works in your bar and there some shifts he just doesn't show up for, and he doesn't phone in sick either. 

And you'd already warned them that this can't happen again, as you'd heard he previously had a reputation for not turning up to work (which I'm sure people at the club did)

They should have done, Nathan Jones when Ouma signed "He’s a player that we’ve monitored for a long, long time"

The again the Club pretty much says that about all our signings

I got a quick AI overview of fan views on him at both Slavia and Lech. Two things stand out. Here is a Slavia fan:
“We wanted him so badly on two occasions, paid quite a lot for him, only to discover almost immediately in pre-season that it was a mistake.”

and a Legia fan:
"Ouma was a difficult player to assess definitively, acknowledging his conspicuous mistakes — poor touches, inaccurate passes and balls seemingly running underneath his foot — while also recognising that coach Niels Frederiksen had managed to rebuild his confidence and that Ouma had produced important performances, including against Legia Warsaw."

Rich Cawley seems fairly sure that we knew about his time at Lech and therefore his going AWOL and their reaction. But I wonder, does it extend to being able to call someone up and get a personal view on a player? We know it happens between managers in England all the time, but does it fall down when we are looking abroad? It shouldn't. Like everything else today's pro football world is far more globally connected than ever before. We wouldn't have go the truth out of Slavia, as they obviously want to offload him, at least for the season, but Lech, with a Swedish coach? Even now, it would be worth NJ having a chat with Mr Frederiksen, who almost certainly speaks excellent English.

He reported back late with Elfsborg as well.

The guy clearly has attitude issues.

Elfsborg probably took him on a tour of his local bars.

Ffs a combination of being in my company and being in the boozers I use, he should have been back at Sparrows Lane early.