There’s no way Jones has spent the last 18 months, working his nuts off to restore his reputation and get himself back into the championship to go straight back into league one for anyone.
Can we have the football back please 🙏
Would be very strange indeed.
Not if he sees the writing on the wall.
Not saying this is what is happening, but making the point that nothing is impossible in football. The wage budget is currently at least less than half every other team in the Championship. Without significant investment, Charlton could come straight back down. Whereas, he could lead Cardiff City straight back up & have double or more his current budget when back in the Championship.
He certainly doesn’t lack belief in his abilities. But is pretty fragile ego wise. He may think the season could be a struggle & Charlton fans will quickly be on his back again. Whereas at Cardiff City he could play the home boy hero turning the club around.
Again, not saying that is the case at all. But it’s what the post on the Plymouth forum suggests (oh the irony 😂). And nothing would surprise me in football. Nothing.
Well, yeah, but the club just doubled its revenue. Roland was the only one who thought you could just use the extra to offset the operating loss and still stay up. It’s reasonable to suppose the current ownership has more interest in what happens next than he did.
My worry though is Rodwell will be the next CEO and hence not enough NEW thinking generally.
i think rodwell's days at charlton r numbered - wouldn't be surprised if he leaves soon
I’d be surprised if NJ left now, even for his boyhood club Cardiff. He’s just got out of League One, can’t see him wanting to go back there so soon. Add in the fact Tan is a twat too. At Charlton he’s got the autonomy he wants, he’s in charge. And he keeps banging on about us all buying into the project, a project that doesn’t end with just getting out of League One.
What this may do is actually strengthen his hand with the owners and the budget may be increased to head off any interest. Either way I think he’s not going anywhere.
Where’s all this “he’s got a bad budget for next season” come from other than fake in the know merchants?
This. Not even genuine ITK's have hinted at what the budget is. Probably only a handful of people know what the budget is and how it compares to the rest of the league and suspect that handful of people have kept this watertight to now.
Even though I think it would be a backwards move, and it would be ridiculous after what he has achieved. If he is approached and they are willing to pay, he's gone imo.
He has left Luton twice with arguably more of a connection to them than us for better opportunities and if he's a man of his word, he would leave for Cardiff, hard to ignore this quote.
I think from his comments recently he’ll stay regardless. Their owner is a looney and he learned a lot from his Southampton and stoke experience
Can someone explain the logic of how if he left us he’d be on a fatter wedge in league one than with us on a championship wage? Especially as the Cardiff owner’s a notorious cheapskate these days.
I'm actually struggling to think of a manager that has EVER dropped down a division having just been promoted? Has it happened before?
Given his previous experiences of jumping ship when in a good job, it would be absolutely mind boggling for Nathan Jones to take the Cardiff job. As we are only too aware getting out of League One is horrendously difficult, and to subject yourself to that again, having only just miraculously completed that task would take sado-masochism to a whole new level.
With Luton and Plymouth joining the likes of Stockport, Reading, Leyton Orient, Huddersfield, Bolton and Wycombe there is no doubt that it will be the dirtiest of dog fights getting out of that little lot, and for a manager that is undoubtedly ambitious to get back to the higher levels of the game, taking a backward step in your early 50's would be kamikaze to say the least,
Not impossible he’s trying to put a bit of pressure on owners for more of a transfer kitty either
Two times now that budget has been mentioned, and our spokespeople said we would be looking to maneuver in the market sensibly.
On the other hand, Nathan Jones said to a fan that "we're fackin loaded".
Never a boring day at Charlton.
It's certainly a concern bearing in mind that last summer we hardly spent anything on transfer fees & just recruited those mainly out of contract. ( I'm trying to forget Gas )
Enter the summer silly season ! No football, just transfer and manager speculation, so here we go 2 months of, who may come & who may leave.....One person i can't see moving is Nathan. Not to Vincent Tans Cardiff thats for sure, an owner who really understands the fans turning Cardiff blue kit to a red kit?
Nathan maybe a nutter but he's not mad? It would be a real step backwards to take one step up with Charlton and two steps back to drop back into League One with Cardiff, which will be even tougher next season to escape from.
Nathan has repeatedly said he sees Charlton as a project, knows the potential and has a board, players and fan base who are behind him. I would hope that those close to him say he jumped ship in the past to "bigger" clubs and boy did he get bitten. Charlton are a club that have shown in the past through Lennie Lawrence and Alan curbishley that they will support a manager over the long term. I also think its a really dumb thing to manage the club you support, why be emotionally invested, its a job. I have worked with a number of football clubs and would never want to work with Charlton, why spoil one's relationship with the club you support.
Nobody knows what the budget is. It seems to me Jones has a close relationship with the owners and when we were struggling he asked them to trust him and back him and they did. We are clearly not going to have the biggest budget in the Championship but the intention is surely to get out of it from the top end or else why buy the club? I would expect the budget to factor in Jones' abilities but give him a realistic chance of working his magic.
He will probably have his chance of managing Cardiff down the line, but the time is clearly not now. If Jones was at another club, he may well have been sacked in December and then Charlton would just be an addition to his failures. He was given time and used it brilliantly but his failures, Stoke and Southampton, he wasn't given time and the question has to be asked, would he have turned things round if he was. I think probably. Basically, he is smart enough to know that he has to see the project through. He has momentum and some great young players as a platform.
All of this speculation is probably a good thing, as it is a reminder that we can't go into the Championship with a Roland mindset.
I'm actually struggling to think of a manager that has EVER dropped down a division having just been promoted? Has it happened before?
Given his previous experiences of jumping ship when in a good job, it would be absolutely mind boggling for Nathan Jones to take the Cardiff job. As we are only too aware getting out of League One is horrendously difficult, and to subject yourself to that again, having only just miraculously completed that task would take sado-masochism to a whole new level.
With Luton and Plymouth joining the likes of Stockport, Reading, Leyton Orient, Huddersfield, Bolton and Wycombe there is no doubt that it will be the dirtiest of dog fights getting out of that little lot, and for a manager that is undoubtedly ambitious to get back to the higher levels of the game, taking a backward step in your early 50's would be kamikaze to say the least,
I remember Dave Challinor leaving Hartlepool a few years ago having just got them promoted to league 2 to join Stockport back in the National league, but that’s the best I can do.
I'm actually struggling to think of a manager that has EVER dropped down a division having just been promoted? Has it happened before?
Given his previous experiences of jumping ship when in a good job, it would be absolutely mind boggling for Nathan Jones to take the Cardiff job. As we are only too aware getting out of League One is horrendously difficult, and to subject yourself to that again, having only just miraculously completed that task would take sado-masochism to a whole new level.
With Luton and Plymouth joining the likes of Stockport, Reading, Leyton Orient, Huddersfield, Bolton and Wycombe there is no doubt that it will be the dirtiest of dog fights getting out of that little lot, and for a manager that is undoubtedly ambitious to get back to the higher levels of the game, taking a backward step in your early 50's would be kamikaze to say the least,
I remember Dave Challinor leaving Hartlepool a few years ago having just got them promoted to league 2 to join Stockport back in the National league, but that’s the best I can do.
Because Stockport are minted. Cardiff aren’t and are on a decline.
I'm actually struggling to think of a manager that has EVER dropped down a division having just been promoted? Has it happened before?
Given his previous experiences of jumping ship when in a good job, it would be absolutely mind boggling for Nathan Jones to take the Cardiff job. As we are only too aware getting out of League One is horrendously difficult, and to subject yourself to that again, having only just miraculously completed that task would take sado-masochism to a whole new level.
With Luton and Plymouth joining the likes of Stockport, Reading, Leyton Orient, Huddersfield, Bolton and Wycombe there is no doubt that it will be the dirtiest of dog fights getting out of that little lot, and for a manager that is undoubtedly ambitious to get back to the higher levels of the game, taking a backward step in your early 50's would be kamikaze to say the least,
Steve Bruce resigned after getting Hull City promoted to Premier League over the budget. And joined Championship Aston Villa. Albeit in October. So not directly.
Next season there are 4 Championship clubs with parachute money, one is Leicester who have all sorts of FFP issues; one is Sheffield United who's parachute payments have just massively reduced having missed the jump straight back up and will need to sell.
There is a chance for a team without those parachute payments to go up. Why not us...
Or NJ can go to Cardiff and play Burton and Doncaster.
It isn't happening and if it did then I would question his decision making so much I would be happy he isn't here any more!
I suspect it will make many many more too. Until Cardiff appoint a new manager this will bubble under. I have little doubt that Jones is their target and why wouldn’t he be. He’s unlikely to make any public statements so until it’s resolved I think it’s comment worthy. As unlikely as it appears, there are none of us that are 100% certain of the outcome.
I suspect it will make many many more too. Until Cardiff appoint a new manager this will bubble under. I have little doubt that Jones is their target and why wouldn’t he be. He’s unlikely to make any public statements so until it’s resolved I think it’s comment worthy. As unlikely as it appears, there are none of us that are 100% certain of the outcome.
Trust me, he’s not going anywhere… except on holiday!
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What this may do is actually strengthen his hand with the owners and the budget may be increased to head off any interest. Either way I think he’s not going anywhere.
Given his previous experiences of jumping ship when in a good job, it would be absolutely mind boggling for Nathan Jones to take the Cardiff job. As we are only too aware getting out of League One is horrendously difficult, and to subject yourself to that again, having only just miraculously completed that task would take sado-masochism to a whole new level.
With Luton and Plymouth joining the likes of Stockport, Reading, Leyton Orient, Huddersfield, Bolton and Wycombe there is no doubt that it will be the dirtiest of dog fights getting out of that little lot, and for a manager that is undoubtedly ambitious to get back to the higher levels of the game, taking a backward step in your early 50's would be kamikaze to say the least,
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He will probably have his chance of managing Cardiff down the line, but the time is clearly not now. If Jones was at another club, he may well have been sacked in December and then Charlton would just be an addition to his failures. He was given time and used it brilliantly but his failures, Stoke and Southampton, he wasn't given time and the question has to be asked, would he have turned things round if he was. I think probably. Basically, he is smart enough to know that he has to see the project through. He has momentum and some great young players as a platform.
All of this speculation is probably a good thing, as it is a reminder that we can't go into the Championship with a Roland mindset.
Utter madness.
There is a chance for a team without those parachute payments to go up. Why not us...
Or NJ can go to Cardiff and play Burton and Doncaster.
It isn't happening and if it did then I would question his decision making so much I would be happy he isn't here any more!