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++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++
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TC takes too long to make a decision in the opposition box, meaning Kelman usually gets marked out and they reorganise.
if you look at a highlights reel of kelman’s goals last season they get the ball into him in the box quickly from out wide, I feel like we just don’t do that, especially with TC trying to beat the full back. He needs the ball played to him earlier
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drawnablank said:Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 2 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will…
That Kelman and Olaofe are our most accurate strikers and that if they were given the same amount of chances to shoot as TC and Leaburn they'd likely convert more into goals.Player Total Shots On Target % On Target Kelman 6 4 66.7% Olaofe 5 3 60.0% Leaburn 15 6 40.0% Campbell 23 3 13.0%
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That’s part of the problem though, Leaburn and TC get more opportunities to shoot because they are doing so much more outside of that which means they get the opportunities. Kelman only having 6 shots so far is pretty embarrassingCL_Phantom said:drawnablank said:Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 2 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will…
That Kelman and Olaofe are our most accurate strikers and that if they were given the same amount of chances to shoot as TC and Leaburn they'd likely convert more into goals.Player Total Shots On Target % On Target Kelman 6 4 66.7% Olaofe 5 3 60.0% Leaburn 15 6 40.0% Campbell 23 3 13.0%
TC often creates opportunities for himself, either with his movement or by taking defenders on. Leaburn gets more shots because he holds the ball up better so we keep the ball in attack, and he also often wins the ball high up the pitch.Olaofe can feel hard done by, I think because the role we use is more winger than striker he will always struggle to start ahead of TC. Unless it’s like the Ipswich game where tactically we wanted 2 strikers, TC is a better winger than he is so will nearly always start in that role. Maybe Olaofe deserves a chance as the main striker, certainly done more than Kelman has to deserve it4 -
Leaburn and Campbell aren’t given the chances though that’s the difference they go and work for those Kelman needs everything fed on a silver plate for him. Oloafe has played less than 2 games of championship football if u look at per 90 mins so he’s kind of unfair to includeCL_Phantom said:drawnablank said:Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 2 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will…
That Kelman and Olaofe are our most accurate strikers and that if they were given the same amount of chances to shoot as TC and Leaburn they'd likely convert more into goals.Player Total Shots On Target % On Target Kelman 6 4 66.7% Olaofe 5 3 60.0% Leaburn 15 6 40.0% Campbell 23 3 13.0% 3 -
I don’t why we are so intent on saying Kelman vs TC. They play different positions and neither have quite lived up to expectations. Your center forward only getting a limited number of chances and your second forward getting a lot of chances but not being able to hit the side of a barn are both problems2
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Wow, only 6 shots in how many games/minutes?
You can dress the stats up whichever way you like, for or against, but if you don't buy a ticket you ain't winning the raffle.7 -
Indeed.Off_it said:Wow, only 6 shots in how many games/minutes?
You can dress the stats up whichever way you like, for or against, but if you don't buy a ticket you ain't winning the raffle.
Luke Berry gambled on where the ball would fall from Bree's corner and Leaburn's attempted flickon. That's why he ended up with a tap in.
Which is why if Godden has been fit, he'd have had more shots than Kelman, as "sniffer dog" is a better penalty box poacher.
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Godden would also have more chances because he’d hold the ball up better. That’s why Leaburn gets more chances. If we successfully retain the ball up top more then we will get more chances as we will be on the attack more oftenkillerandflash said:
Indeed.Off_it said:Wow, only 6 shots in how many games/minutes?
You can dress the stats up whichever way you like, for or against, but if you don't buy a ticket you ain't winning the raffle.
Luke Berry gambled on where the ball would fall from Bree's corner and Leaburn's attempted flickon. That's why he ended up with a tap in.
Which is why if Godden has been fit, he'd have had more shots than Kelman, as "sniffer dog" is a better penalty box poacher.3 -
But the plan is that Kelman goes near post or is blocking the keeper, as Godden did at Orient last year, and someone comes in back post to finish it. That's not Kelman not attacking the ball, it's Kelman doing what he's supposed to from that cornerkillerandflash said:
Indeed.Off_it said:Wow, only 6 shots in how many games/minutes?
You can dress the stats up whichever way you like, for or against, but if you don't buy a ticket you ain't winning the raffle.
Luke Berry gambled on where the ball would fall from Bree's corner and Leaburn's attempted flickon. That's why he ended up with a tap in.
Which is why if Godden has been fit, he'd have had more shots than Kelman, as "sniffer dog" is a better penalty box poacher.7 -
That's one example though, I think if you take a broader view of it then the original point is a valid one. Particularly from open play, set pieces are a bit different reallyRothko said:
But the plan is that Kelman goes near post or is blocking the keeper, as Godden did at Orient last year, and someone comes in back post to finish it. That's not Kelman not attacking the ball, it's Kelman doing what he's supposed to from that cornerkillerandflash said:
Indeed.Off_it said:Wow, only 6 shots in how many games/minutes?
You can dress the stats up whichever way you like, for or against, but if you don't buy a ticket you ain't winning the raffle.
Luke Berry gambled on where the ball would fall from Bree's corner and Leaburn's attempted flickon. That's why he ended up with a tap in.
Which is why if Godden has been fit, he'd have had more shots than Kelman, as "sniffer dog" is a better penalty box poacher.0 -
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Think with the exception of the Chef Wed game, I don't remember massive amounts of cut backs for a striker to attack, be it Charlie, Miles or Tanto. The only one I can remember is the one served on a platter for Tanto in Sheffieldfenaddick said:
That's one example though, I think if you take a broader view of it then the original point is a valid one. Particularly from open play, set pieces are a bit different reallyRothko said:
But the plan is that Kelman goes near post or is blocking the keeper, as Godden did at Orient last year, and someone comes in back post to finish it. That's not Kelman not attacking the ball, it's Kelman doing what he's supposed to from that cornerkillerandflash said:
Indeed.Off_it said:Wow, only 6 shots in how many games/minutes?
You can dress the stats up whichever way you like, for or against, but if you don't buy a ticket you ain't winning the raffle.
Luke Berry gambled on where the ball would fall from Bree's corner and Leaburn's attempted flickon. That's why he ended up with a tap in.
Which is why if Godden has been fit, he'd have had more shots than Kelman, as "sniffer dog" is a better penalty box poacher.0 -
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There have been a few crosses flashed across the box where Kelman has been waiting for a cutback not gambling. We then don't cut the ball back because there's a more static Kelman there rather than Carey/Doc running on to attack the ball. If he gambles more not only will he get more goals, I think the midfield will get (even) more. Really it is just getting used to our movement, we're now approaching the point where a decision has to be made on how long he is given to get used to itRothko said:
Think with the exception of the Chef Wed game, I don't remember massive amounts of cut backs for a striker to attack, be it Charlie, Miles or Tanto. The only one I can remember is the one served on a platter for Tanto in Sheffieldfenaddick said:
That's one example though, I think if you take a broader view of it then the original point is a valid one. Particularly from open play, set pieces are a bit different reallyRothko said:
But the plan is that Kelman goes near post or is blocking the keeper, as Godden did at Orient last year, and someone comes in back post to finish it. That's not Kelman not attacking the ball, it's Kelman doing what he's supposed to from that cornerkillerandflash said:
Indeed.Off_it said:Wow, only 6 shots in how many games/minutes?
You can dress the stats up whichever way you like, for or against, but if you don't buy a ticket you ain't winning the raffle.
Luke Berry gambled on where the ball would fall from Bree's corner and Leaburn's attempted flickon. That's why he ended up with a tap in.
Which is why if Godden has been fit, he'd have had more shots than Kelman, as "sniffer dog" is a better penalty box poacher.0 -
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Are you sure they aren’t Ahadme’s stats?0
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Keep the faith, we don't create much but equally sometimes he needs to be in the right place. Hopefully after 1/ or 2 he can get that confidence to be in the right place. Time will tell2
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Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.2
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Sword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.
The realistic replacement is in the treatment room, but if Kelman doesn’t improve soon he will be replaced by Godden and end up 5th choice because he doesn’t offer as much as the rest from the bench0 -
Rothko said:
But the plan is that Kelman goes near post or is blocking the keeper, as Godden did at Orient last year, and someone comes in back post to finish it. That's not Kelman not attacking the ball, it's Kelman doing what he's supposed to from that cornerkillerandflash said:
Indeed.Off_it said:Wow, only 6 shots in how many games/minutes?
You can dress the stats up whichever way you like, for or against, but if you don't buy a ticket you ain't winning the raffle.
Luke Berry gambled on where the ball would fall from Bree's corner and Leaburn's attempted flickon. That's why he ended up with a tap in.
Which is why if Godden has been fit, he'd have had more shots than Kelman, as "sniffer dog" is a better penalty box poacher.
You can't say things like that, it doesn't fit the narrative.2 -
Don't think Kelman is a dud but Fofana on loan would've been interesting.Sword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.2 -
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I love Godden but there is no sign of him. My point is, it’s easy to want something else right now. If Kelman had scored say 5 goals ( better stats)and we were sitting in 8th, would that make people happy?. It’s a team game and we are scoring as a team.NabySarr said:Sword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.
The realistic replacement is in the treatment room, but if Kelman doesn’t improve soon he will be replaced by Godden and end up 5th choice because he doesn’t offer as much as the rest from the bench6 -
Probably going to persist with Kelman till at least the end of the season if there is no risk of relegation. If he comes good great if not Mbick hasn’t hurt his chances getting an opportunity next seasonSword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.0 -
And I think we should, with Godden hopefully coming back soon🤞, not seen much to be overly optimistic about Mbick in the championship. Early days I accept.Crispywood said:
Probably going to persist with Kelman till at least the end of the season if there is no risk of relegation. If he comes good great if not Mbick hasn’t hurt his chances getting an opportunity next seasonSword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.0 -
It depends if we get the Godden of last season back, if we do then there is no doubt he comes back into the starting eleven and improves the team. Would you have swapped Godden for Kelman at the end of last season? No chance, Godden is a better playerSword65pf said:
I love Godden but there is no sign of him. My point is, it’s easy to want something else right now. If Kelman had scored say 5 goals ( better stats)and we were sitting in 8th, would that make people happy?. It’s a team game and we are scoring as a team.NabySarr said:Sword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.
The realistic replacement is in the treatment room, but if Kelman doesn’t improve soon he will be replaced by Godden and end up 5th choice because he doesn’t offer as much as the rest from the bench0 -
If's and but's, Godden hasnt been available! likewise none of the other strikers are banging them in or offering more right now, maybe on the odd appearance but noone is staking a claim to take his spotNabySarr said:
It depends if we get the Godden of last season back, if we do then there is no doubt he comes back into the starting eleven and improves the team. Would you have swapped Godden for Kelman at the end of last season? No chance, Godden is a better playerSword65pf said:
I love Godden but there is no sign of him. My point is, it’s easy to want something else right now. If Kelman had scored say 5 goals ( better stats)and we were sitting in 8th, would that make people happy?. It’s a team game and we are scoring as a team.NabySarr said:Sword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.
The realistic replacement is in the treatment room, but if Kelman doesn’t improve soon he will be replaced by Godden and end up 5th choice because he doesn’t offer as much as the rest from the bench1 -
No doubt Godden is a better all round player, but we haven’t got Godden and we don’t know when we will either.NabySarr said:
It depends if we get the Godden of last season back, if we do then there is no doubt he comes back into the starting eleven and improves the team. Would you have swapped Godden for Kelman at the end of last season? No chance, Godden is a better playerSword65pf said:
I love Godden but there is no sign of him. My point is, it’s easy to want something else right now. If Kelman had scored say 5 goals ( better stats)and we were sitting in 8th, would that make people happy?. It’s a team game and we are scoring as a team.NabySarr said:Sword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.
The realistic replacement is in the treatment room, but if Kelman doesn’t improve soon he will be replaced by Godden and end up 5th choice because he doesn’t offer as much as the rest from the bench1 -
and Cov moved on from Godden 18 months ago as he wasn't doing it in the Championship.0
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Indeed, guess we’ll never know.Chunes said:
Don't think Kelman is a dud but Fofana on loan would've been interesting.Sword65pf said:Playing devils advocate, so if people have decided Kelman is a dud( I don’t, I think patience will prevail) who would they like to replace him with realistically?, it can’t be anyone else in the squad as they aren’t doing great either. Please remember we are Charlton, not a club able to just spunk money.0 -
Oh dear. A striker being berated for not scoring goals. Whatever next. Perhaps we should have kept Alfie May.
Be careful for what you wished for.6 -
Remind me what Birmingham did with May when they got promoted?golfaddick said:Oh dear. A striker being berated for not scoring goals. Whatever next. Perhaps we should have kept Alfie May.
Be careful for what you wished for.0
