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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Sheffield Wednesday: Saturday 18th October 2025: KO 15:00
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panther10 said:Was in control ,but yet again like derby and preston away poor second half . And please stop with the kelman tc love affair it clearly dosent work 10 games 0 goals between themTake them off at the same time and … well, we all saw what happened.0
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PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.2 -
Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.
The assisant referee is part of the mechanism for match control, so I am glad that you acknowledge his correct involvement.0 -
PeterGage said:Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.2 -
The keeper came out intent on wiping out Tanto, knew he couldn't legally get the ball so got the man, that's intent and violent conduct imo...1
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PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...I agree that the incident wasn't violent conduct as defined in the laws of the game. It was however, in my opinion, still serious foul play as defined in said Law 12 which would routinely carry a three match ban.A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.
A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.
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LargeAddick said:PeterGage said:Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.
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eastterrace6168 said:The keeper came out intent on wiping out Tanto, knew he couldn't legally get the ball so got the man, that's intent and violent conduct imo...0
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NabySarr said:Champs85 said:I really struggle to see what others do with TC. His end product is not good, he gives the ball away frequently, makes the wrong decisions. Yes he has the occasional great bit of play/skill but I feel the negatives outweigh the positives. I’d like to see him brought off the bench in the last 20 mins rather than starting. Tanto and Kelman should be the starting pair.Also what do Rankin-Costello and Apter have to do to get on the pitch? RC is a proven championship player and Apter was our best player for the first few games. I think they should be getting some game time, starting with IpswichWhat makes him so important is that he’s an out ball that consistently gets us up the pitch. Looking at the stats he carries the ball 121m per 90 minutes on the pitch. Apter is also very good at this, but if you play Bree on the right instead of Apter, then you almost have to start TC as otherwise we don’t have a player that can do that. To start attacks and score goals you need to get the ball up the right end of the pitch, and TC is one of our best ways of doing that. Even if he’s not scoring or assisting at the end of a run, he could have won us a free kick, throw in, or just got us 20 yards up the pitch and kept the ball, where we can now attack and score from
For carries per 90 minutes that end in a chance, TC is 3rd in the championship. Saturday was a prime example, he drove at their defence and then slipped in Carey for a shotI think if TC got injured and missed a few games, the doubters would realise how important he is. It’s not even that he is that brilliant a player, we all see the flaws he has in his game. But he’s just so important to the setup and the role he plays for the team is why Jones will continue to pick him every week because we are a worse team without him2 -
PeterGage said:LargeAddick said:PeterGage said:Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.
He "forced" the ref to stop and turn around and take another look at 2 players who may have been seriously injured.
Someone, the lino or the 4th official then obviously told him what had happened.
I say without exaggeration it was one of the worst pieces of refereeing I've ever seen.
Everyone was almost speechless that he let play continue and that he hadn't given a free kick.4 -
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It's either handball outside the box or serious foul play (it's both, to be clear). It isn't even slightly a last-man foul. Extremely weird ruling0
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Covered End said:PeterGage said:LargeAddick said:PeterGage said:Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.
He "forced" the ref to stop and turn around and take another look at 2 players who may have been seriously injured.
Someone, the lino or the 4th official then obviously told him what had happened.
I say without exaggeration it was one of the worst pieces of refereeing I've ever seen.
Everyone was almost speechless that he let play continue and that he hadn't given a penalty.
I agree with you that Connor Coventry had a very positive role in the incident.
As I said earlier, the referee was slow in stopping the game, but the only "exaggeration" is you saying it is one of the worst pieces of refereeing you have ever seen; unless you mean that the refereeing standard is so high generally, that this WAS the worst piece etc etc.
Fouls outside of the area are not penalties. Am I allowed to say that your penalty decision eclipsies any poor decision made by a referee I have ever seen ( saying in jest, btw).0 -
PeterGage said:Covered End said:PeterGage said:LargeAddick said:PeterGage said:Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.
He "forced" the ref to stop and turn around and take another look at 2 players who may have been seriously injured.
Someone, the lino or the 4th official then obviously told him what had happened.
I say without exaggeration it was one of the worst pieces of refereeing I've ever seen.
Everyone was almost speechless that he let play continue and that he hadn't given a penalty.
I agree with you that Connor Coventry had a very positive role in the incident.
As I said earlier, the referee was slow in stopping the game, but the only "exaggeration" is you saying it is one of the worst pieces of refereeing you have ever seen; unless you mean that the refereeing standard is so high generally, that this WAS the worst piece etc etc.
Fouls outside of the area are not penalties. Am I allowed to say that your penalty decision eclipsies any poor decision made by a referee I have ever seen ( saying in jest, btw).
You saw Coventry "forcing" him to stop running in the opposite direction and "forced" the ref to stop the game.
Yet that leads you to think the ref was going to stop the game.
Their is absolutely zero logic in that thought process.
The referee should stop the game for a head injury, end of story.
It was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen because the keeper clearly clattered our player in the head and Tanto could have been very seriously injured.
He could have swallowed his tongue, a fractured skull, anything and yet the ref turned around and started running up the field.
I can scarcely believe that even an ex referee could come to the conclusion that he was going to stop the game, running away from the incident and clearly allowing play to continue.
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king addick said:I do think Tanto and Kelman could be effective. Kelman is growing into games and he really just needs that goal to get him going but it isnt for the lack of trying, I am confident in saying he would scored against Weds if that defender didnt recover from his own mistake with a great challenge.
Tanto is a wrecking ball first and foremost, just powers at/through defenders with ease and carries the ball so well. His press is decent and is already off the mark with a goal. Just looks a decent player.
TC may have played the ball to Carey but contributed nothing after. He could have been knackered from INT duty but I dont think a break will do him harm.
Understand about TC having been on int'l duty and jet lag etc but frankly the bloke creates little, always looks knackered and cannot do more than 60 - 70 minutes anyway. Compare this to the legs needed in midfield by Coventry and Doc..... time for a rest for TC.0 -
Covered End said:PeterGage said:Covered End said:PeterGage said:LargeAddick said:PeterGage said:Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.
He "forced" the ref to stop and turn around and take another look at 2 players who may have been seriously injured.
Someone, the lino or the 4th official then obviously told him what had happened.
I say without exaggeration it was one of the worst pieces of refereeing I've ever seen.
Everyone was almost speechless that he let play continue and that he hadn't given a penalty.
I agree with you that Connor Coventry had a very positive role in the incident.
As I said earlier, the referee was slow in stopping the game, but the only "exaggeration" is you saying it is one of the worst pieces of refereeing you have ever seen; unless you mean that the refereeing standard is so high generally, that this WAS the worst piece etc etc.
Fouls outside of the area are not penalties. Am I allowed to say that your penalty decision eclipsies any poor decision made by a referee I have ever seen ( saying in jest, btw).
You saw Coventry "forcing" him to stop running in the opposite direction and "forced" the ref to stop the game.
Yet that leads you to think the ref was going to stop the game.
Their is absolutely zero logic in that thought process.
The referee should stop the game for a head injury, end of story.
It was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen because the keeper clearly clattered our player in the head and Tanto could have been very seriously injured.
He could have swallowed his tongue, a fractured skull anything and yet the ref turned around and started running up the field.
I can scarcely believe that even an ex referee could come to the conclusion that he was going to stop the game, running away from the incident and clearly allowing play to continue.
However, I cant see where you claim I said the referee was going to stop the game. I, nor you, would ever know the answer to that question. "clearly allowing the game to continue'? Again, pure supposition given the ball either went out of play or was about to.
The referee was not " running up the field of play", he was running in the direction of the ball
Do you stand by your penalty decion?
I think we have both given our views and that is fine by me. Thanks0 -
Apologies I meant free kick not penalty.
The ref was running away away from the incident, yes in the direction of the ball, but also diagonally up field, as opposed to towards the injured players to check on them.
It's clear to me that the ref saw the keeper flatten Tanto and both players were lying motionless, he surely saw the keeper smash Tanto in the head and should have immediately stopped the game.
No need to reply you clearly think differently. Thanks.1 -
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PeterGage said:LargeAddick said:PeterGage said:Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.2 -
Watched on TV and thought straight away it was so similar to the Schumacher incident v France and couldn't believe the ref didn't stop playing straight away!! If he did in fact take advice from the lino or fourth official it makes the incident even worse as he was much closer to it sorry it is one of the worst refereeing decisions I have seen and worthy of a 3 match ban, their manager was even further away and he admitted it was the right decision! Incredible that anybody could defend that!1
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Covered End said:PeterGage said:Covered End said:PeterGage said:LargeAddick said:PeterGage said:Coveredendchoir said:PeterGage said:eastterrace6168 said:Mick McManus would have been proud of that forearm smash on Tanto...
Makes you wonder what violent conduct looks like to the FA...
Details of incident: none: I didn’t see jack shit
Also reporting: Assistant referee saw it and told me to give a red as the attempted decapitation of the Charlton forward was almost successful! While GK feigned injury we waited for at least 3/4mins then I sent him off.
He "forced" the ref to stop and turn around and take another look at 2 players who may have been seriously injured.
Someone, the lino or the 4th official then obviously told him what had happened.
I say without exaggeration it was one of the worst pieces of refereeing I've ever seen.
Everyone was almost speechless that he let play continue and that he hadn't given a penalty.
I agree with you that Connor Coventry had a very positive role in the incident.
As I said earlier, the referee was slow in stopping the game, but the only "exaggeration" is you saying it is one of the worst pieces of refereeing you have ever seen; unless you mean that the refereeing standard is so high generally, that this WAS the worst piece etc etc.
Fouls outside of the area are not penalties. Am I allowed to say that your penalty decision eclipsies any poor decision made by a referee I have ever seen ( saying in jest, btw).
You saw Coventry "forcing" him to stop running in the opposite direction and "forced" the ref to stop the game.
Yet that leads you to think the ref was going to stop the game.
Their is absolutely zero logic in that thought process.
The referee should stop the game for a head injury, end of story.
It was one of the worst decisions I have ever seen because the keeper clearly clattered our player in the head and Tanto could have been very seriously injured.
He could have swallowed his tongue, a fractured skull anything and yet the ref turned around and started running up the field.
I can scarcely believe that even an ex referee could come to the conclusion that he was going to stop the game, running away from the incident and clearly allowing play to continue.3 -
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mendonca said:"Having been shown a straight red card, it was possible Horvath may have been forced to miss up to three matches. However, the ban will only see him miss the clash with Rob Edwards’ side, with the foul not deemed to have been violent conduct."0