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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Middlesborough: Tuesday 09th December 2025: KO 19:45
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We did not have wingbacks to start with, it was a back 4.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:As against Southampton we left our opponents in acres of space - if they knocked the ball out wide we continually failed to pick up the wide player. Our Wing Backs seem to provide little cover.
I'm unclear if players are not following instructions or simply have zero awareness of positioning.
Not clear how this will be fixed - seems inevitable we will keep shipping cheap goals.0 -
This is so dramaticCAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.1 -
We played it against Coventry with Bree and TC as the 2 wingers in a 4-1-4-1. It worked against the best team in the league and I’m not sure why we haven’t tried it again since thenSouthbank said:
If we played with two wingers we would be even more wide open in midfield and at the back than we are now. We are stuck with playing two up front. Choose two from Leaburn, TC , Oloafe and Apter. I don't think there is a pair that really works at this level.NabySarr said:
Even those like myself that like TC would probably agree he’s playing too many minutes at the moment. It’s why his performances have dropped off, he’s knackered and playing 90 every game is not doing him any goodqueensland_addick said:
Criticise him all you want. I'll criticise him for not covering his near post, but that doesn't excuse TC.ForeverAddickted said:
So have a good game, but make a mistake that leads to us conceding and you're immune from criticism?queensland_addick said:
Without Kaminski we'd have been 4 down before that chance even came along. No keeper is going to save everything. Kaminski was already well in credit on the night and was fully committed to the cause.ForeverAddickted said:
I've already said that TC made the mistake that led to the breakaway.Sword65pf said:
So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?
But you refuse to acknowledge that others made mistakes in the build up to their second goal as well... Its that simple!!
Or do you genuinely think it was acceptable for Kaminski to let a goal in at his near post?
TC was not.
That's the difference
You're right Kaminski did keep us at 0-0, and should be commended for that... But he's also part of the reason why we went 0-2 down, so should be criticised for that, especially as it was a shot at his near post.
Kaminski was in a one on one situation with a forward who had scored 4 in his last 4 games, baring down on him from about 10 yards out. Whether he went near post, across Kaminski into the far corner, or high into the roof of the net, the odds were against Kaminski preventing a goal.
Kaminski tried his best, TC bottled it, and not for the first time.
He rarely puts in a tackle, he can't head the ball, yes he's very quick and can beat his man occasionally, but it rarely ends in anything meaningful.
He has three assists all season, and one of those, the ball was out of play. That is not good enough. He either needs to be rested or work hard to iron out the faults in his game.
The problem is if you take him out of the team we’d be even worse. Even in the first half where TC didn’t play well, the only way we got up the pitch was by getting the ball to him. That’s why he’s always left on the pitch, because no one else in our squad can do that. Without him we’d be stuck in our own half struggling to get out even more than we are nowIf we had a replacement for him then I’d agree he should come out of the team, but Hernandez is the only similar player that can play there and he’s shit. Apter looked bright so I’d play with 2 wingers, playing TC at wing back isn’t doing him or the team any good
TC and Kelman got us into the top 5 , along with Bell at the back. Let us hope we can get back to that, although NJ seemed very downbeat last night about the injured.1 -
To be candid, we were outclassed by Middlesbrough all over the park, but especially in midfield, where they were totally dominant. Their players were technically superior in their passing, control, pace and movement and their structure was so much better than ours.Our midfield was a shambles in the first half, far too narrow, leaving oceans of space on both flanks for the opposition to exploit and we barely managed a tackle in the first half. Nobody really seemed to know quite what their job was. I was surprised that Nathan went for 3 attacking players in midfield against a side as potent as Boro. Hopefully, that experiment won’t be repeated and a more conservative approach will be adopted on Saturday at Birmingham.We were better in the second half with the introduction of Fullah, Anderson and Docherty, although fortunately for us, I think Boro took their foot off the gas and the number of substitutions they made certainly curbed their momentum. In truth, though, they were pretty comfortable throughout, although Gillespie’s long diagonals late on did cause a few problems, one of which led to Tanto’s chance, which he slashed high and wide.
Difficult to take many positives from the evening, although the tributes to Headphones Norm, both pre-match and in the 12th minute, were excellent. It was great that his family were there to see it and great credit also to the Middlesbrough supporters, who showed the utmost respect.The half-time substitutes will have given Nathan some food for thought and I was delighted that Rob Apter got a brief opportunity to show what he can do. Perhaps he’ll even get a start sometime soon in his usual position, although I’m not holding my breath.
A long way to go but the four games against Oxford, Pompey and Norwich later this month now are now pivotal to arresting our dramatic slide down the table.5 -
Because it was Bell at LB not GillespheyNabySarr said:
We played it against Coventry with Bree and TC as the 2 wingers in a 4-1-4-1. It worked against the best team in the league and I’m not sure why we haven’t tried it again since thenSouthbank said:
If we played with two wingers we would be even more wide open in midfield and at the back than we are now. We are stuck with playing two up front. Choose two from Leaburn, TC , Oloafe and Apter. I don't think there is a pair that really works at this level.NabySarr said:
Even those like myself that like TC would probably agree he’s playing too many minutes at the moment. It’s why his performances have dropped off, he’s knackered and playing 90 every game is not doing him any goodqueensland_addick said:
Criticise him all you want. I'll criticise him for not covering his near post, but that doesn't excuse TC.ForeverAddickted said:
So have a good game, but make a mistake that leads to us conceding and you're immune from criticism?queensland_addick said:
Without Kaminski we'd have been 4 down before that chance even came along. No keeper is going to save everything. Kaminski was already well in credit on the night and was fully committed to the cause.ForeverAddickted said:
I've already said that TC made the mistake that led to the breakaway.Sword65pf said:
So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?
But you refuse to acknowledge that others made mistakes in the build up to their second goal as well... Its that simple!!
Or do you genuinely think it was acceptable for Kaminski to let a goal in at his near post?
TC was not.
That's the difference
You're right Kaminski did keep us at 0-0, and should be commended for that... But he's also part of the reason why we went 0-2 down, so should be criticised for that, especially as it was a shot at his near post.
Kaminski was in a one on one situation with a forward who had scored 4 in his last 4 games, baring down on him from about 10 yards out. Whether he went near post, across Kaminski into the far corner, or high into the roof of the net, the odds were against Kaminski preventing a goal.
Kaminski tried his best, TC bottled it, and not for the first time.
He rarely puts in a tackle, he can't head the ball, yes he's very quick and can beat his man occasionally, but it rarely ends in anything meaningful.
He has three assists all season, and one of those, the ball was out of play. That is not good enough. He either needs to be rested or work hard to iron out the faults in his game.
The problem is if you take him out of the team we’d be even worse. Even in the first half where TC didn’t play well, the only way we got up the pitch was by getting the ball to him. That’s why he’s always left on the pitch, because no one else in our squad can do that. Without him we’d be stuck in our own half struggling to get out even more than we are nowIf we had a replacement for him then I’d agree he should come out of the team, but Hernandez is the only similar player that can play there and he’s shit. Apter looked bright so I’d play with 2 wingers, playing TC at wing back isn’t doing him or the team any good
TC and Kelman got us into the top 5 , along with Bell at the back. Let us hope we can get back to that, although NJ seemed very downbeat last night about the injured.2 -
Apter is nowhere near as strong as Small, or indeed TC. He is a luxury player sadly, which is why he cannot get in/stay in the side. What did look good last night was Fullah playing the 10 role. He was very mobile, dragging defenders around and creating space for TC, who for once was last with one defender instead of his usual 2. That may be worth trying against the weaker teams we have after Brum.NabySarr said:
Apter would then face the same problem TC does every game, the opposition would simply double up on him every time he got the ball and he’d be mostly ineffective. We need threat from both sides or we will be far too easy to defend againstqueensland_addick said:
We could perhaps concentrate on attacking down the right flank instead via Apter, whilst just trying to remain solid on the left.NabySarr said:
Your last bit there is the point. At the moment, if we take TC out we will be worse. When we have our full team then yes you can take him out (though that Ipswich first half we were absolutely terrible)queensland_addick said:
With respect, how do we know that, when Jones refuses to drop him?NabySarr said:
Even those like myself that like TC would probably agree he’s playing too many minutes at the moment. It’s why his performances have dropped off, he’s knackered and playing 90 every game is not doing him any goodqueensland_addick said:
Criticise him all you want. I'll criticise him for not covering his near post, but that doesn't excuse TC.ForeverAddickted said:
So have a good game, but make a mistake that leads to us conceding and you're immune from criticism?queensland_addick said:
Without Kaminski we'd have been 4 down before that chance even came along. No keeper is going to save everything. Kaminski was already well in credit on the night and was fully committed to the cause.ForeverAddickted said:
I've already said that TC made the mistake that led to the breakaway.Sword65pf said:
So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?
But you refuse to acknowledge that others made mistakes in the build up to their second goal as well... Its that simple!!
Or do you genuinely think it was acceptable for Kaminski to let a goal in at his near post?
TC was not.
That's the difference
You're right Kaminski did keep us at 0-0, and should be commended for that... But he's also part of the reason why we went 0-2 down, so should be criticised for that, especially as it was a shot at his near post.
Kaminski was in a one on one situation with a forward who had scored 4 in his last 4 games, baring down on him from about 10 yards out. Whether he went near post, across Kaminski into the far corner, or high into the roof of the net, the odds were against Kaminski preventing a goal.
Kaminski tried his best, TC bottled it, and not for the first time.
He rarely puts in a tackle, he can't head the ball, yes he's very quick and can beat his man occasionally, but it rarely ends in anything meaningful.
He has three assists all season, and one of those, the ball was out of play. That is not good enough. He either needs to be rested or work hard to iron out the faults in his game.
The problem is if you take him out of the team we’d be even worse. Even in the first half where TC didn’t play well, the only way we got up the pitch was by getting the ball to him. That’s why he’s always left on the pitch, because no one else in our squad can do that. Without him we’d be stuck in our own half struggling to get out even more than we are nowIf we had a replacement for him then I’d agree he should come out of the team, but Hernandez is the only similar player that can play there and he’s shit. Apter looked bright so I’d play with 2 wingers, playing TC at wing back isn’t doing him or the team any good
As a matter of fact, let's look at the one time he was actually left out of the starting line up.
We achieved our best result of the season winning 3 nil at Ipswich when both he and Leaburn were far more effective coming off the subs bench.
Granted we had Bell that day, but it does prove that it isn't essential that TC has to start every single game.
If we had an actual LWB to play, then if TC isn’t playing we still have something on that side. If Ramsay is playing left back he won’t be getting forward, and if he does he won’t be effective as he’s not used to playing on that side. So with no Bell and Edwards, we almost have to play TC as otherwise we would have nothing on the left and be very easy to defend against
You could maybe put Fullah, Knibbs or Carey out there but I’m really not sure any of them would be effective from the start in that position, they are all better centrally
Maybe Doc could play on the left side of midfield. At least he tackles and tracks back.
We need to find a solution and quickly, because unfortunately I can't see Bell or Edwards returning any time soon.Like last season when we had Small and TC, we now need Apter and TC to both play. If we move the ball well enough from one side to the other then we should be able to get them 1v1 which is when they are at their best1 -
Holes everywhere! Distance between players laterally and distance between lines left vacant spaces centrally. More than a few times there was a 40 x 40 yard box of space in front of the back line.
Sign who you want up front, you cannot allow that amount of free space. Ever!1 -
It was clever defending from the Boro player. Would have been a soft penalty. Berry played for it and dived a bit really.2
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The first 1/2 performance was simply unacceptable, the team looked to be in collective coma allied to what t f was the formation supposed to be ?
Second half a big improvement due to bringing on subs. Carey was unlucky to be withdrawn, though he is nothing like as effective in his recent role in a midfield 4 with seemingly no 'licence to roam'
Our finishing is absolutely woeful, Olaofe blazing wide when well placed, a chance that could have given us a point against a team who had run us ragged for 70% of the game. Even so, without Kaminski the game would have been done after 20 minutes. That is what he's there for of course, but this time he showed what a shrewd signing he was, alas one of the few recent successes
The 2nd 1/2 performance showed me that the players are still giving it their all, when Nathan gets his personnel and tactics right.
All we can do is to keep on keeping on and hope there is a few quid in the kitty for January reinforcements.
Nypan, the talent who came on for Boro is a loanee from Manchester Citteeee. He was signed from Rosenborg for some £12 Million +, THAT is just one example of what we are up against
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Yes we won that game very easilyNabySarr said:
We played it against Coventry with Bree and TC as the 2 wingers in a 4-1-4-1. It worked against the best team in the league and I’m not sure why we haven’t tried it again since thenSouthbank said:
If we played with two wingers we would be even more wide open in midfield and at the back than we are now. We are stuck with playing two up front. Choose two from Leaburn, TC , Oloafe and Apter. I don't think there is a pair that really works at this level.NabySarr said:
Even those like myself that like TC would probably agree he’s playing too many minutes at the moment. It’s why his performances have dropped off, he’s knackered and playing 90 every game is not doing him any goodqueensland_addick said:
Criticise him all you want. I'll criticise him for not covering his near post, but that doesn't excuse TC.ForeverAddickted said:
So have a good game, but make a mistake that leads to us conceding and you're immune from criticism?queensland_addick said:
Without Kaminski we'd have been 4 down before that chance even came along. No keeper is going to save everything. Kaminski was already well in credit on the night and was fully committed to the cause.ForeverAddickted said:
I've already said that TC made the mistake that led to the breakaway.Sword65pf said:
So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?
But you refuse to acknowledge that others made mistakes in the build up to their second goal as well... Its that simple!!
Or do you genuinely think it was acceptable for Kaminski to let a goal in at his near post?
TC was not.
That's the difference
You're right Kaminski did keep us at 0-0, and should be commended for that... But he's also part of the reason why we went 0-2 down, so should be criticised for that, especially as it was a shot at his near post.
Kaminski was in a one on one situation with a forward who had scored 4 in his last 4 games, baring down on him from about 10 yards out. Whether he went near post, across Kaminski into the far corner, or high into the roof of the net, the odds were against Kaminski preventing a goal.
Kaminski tried his best, TC bottled it, and not for the first time.
He rarely puts in a tackle, he can't head the ball, yes he's very quick and can beat his man occasionally, but it rarely ends in anything meaningful.
He has three assists all season, and one of those, the ball was out of play. That is not good enough. He either needs to be rested or work hard to iron out the faults in his game.
The problem is if you take him out of the team we’d be even worse. Even in the first half where TC didn’t play well, the only way we got up the pitch was by getting the ball to him. That’s why he’s always left on the pitch, because no one else in our squad can do that. Without him we’d be stuck in our own half struggling to get out even more than we are nowIf we had a replacement for him then I’d agree he should come out of the team, but Hernandez is the only similar player that can play there and he’s shit. Apter looked bright so I’d play with 2 wingers, playing TC at wing back isn’t doing him or the team any good
TC and Kelman got us into the top 5 , along with Bell at the back. Let us hope we can get back to that, although NJ seemed very downbeat last night about the injured.1 -
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Oh come on now, why would Berry dive when he would have been clean through, "clever defending" = blatant body checking, the guy made no attempt at all to get the ball which was past him, and made do with Berry instead...The Red Robin said:It was clever defending from the Boro player. Would have been a soft penalty. Berry played for it and dived a bit really.5 -
contentious comment ? .. we need VAR in the Championship .. the prize of promotion and the devastation of relegation mean that there is a lot on every single game .eastterrace6168 said:
Oh come on now, why would Berry dive when he would have been clean through, "clever defending" = blatant body checking, the guy made no attempt at all to get the ball which was past him, and made do with Berry instead...The Red Robin said:It was clever defending from the Boro player. Would have been a soft penalty. Berry played for it and dived a bit really.
Berry was 'PROBABLY' fouled in the area, a very good pen shout at the very least.
Although of course, the pen denied West Ham at Brighton indicated that even replays can get it wrong or the laws/rules whatever need reviewing .. all this, yes it was a handball or a shirt tug or a foul in the area and comments from the 'expert' pundits like 'not enough for a pen' are fecking rubbish .. a handball is a handball, a foul is a foul .. in the area ? .. its a PENALTY KICK2 -
We won 3 nilSouthbank said:
We fluked a 0-0 by half time, could easily have been 2 downredbuttle said:
What happened when they didn't start at Ipswich?Garrymanilow said:
Everyone does criticise them. Far more than they do Tanto who has the same number of league goals as Leaburn and tends to show why Jones doesn’t usually start him every time he gets a chance. It’s nothing to do with golden boys, it’s the fact that the players who play less become footballing gods while the ones who play are apparently ‘total dogshit’. You swap TC and Tanto for 5 games and you’ll be calling Tanto that instead and asking why TC isn’t getting a gameredbuttle said:
Exactly. If they were both new signings everyone would criticise them. They are both total dogshit.DDOUBLEE said:2 -
My Boro mate's one comment was "Campbell looked dangerous for you".
Yes, I do think he should have won the ball before the second goal, but does no-one remember him chasing back and catching a Boro player's break in the second half? He sprinted the whole way back to cover a gaping hole.
He does good and bad things like any other player.
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Lincsaddick said:
contentious comment ? .. we need VAR in the Championship .. the prize of promotion and the devastation of relegation mean that there is a lot on every single game .eastterrace6168 said:
Oh come on now, why would Berry dive when he would have been clean through, "clever defending" = blatant body checking, the guy made no attempt at all to get the ball which was past him, and made do with Berry instead...The Red Robin said:It was clever defending from the Boro player. Would have been a soft penalty. Berry played for it and dived a bit really.
Berry was 'PROBABLY' fouled in the area, a very good pen shout at the very least.
Although of course, the pen denied West Ham at Brighton indicated that even replays can get it wrong or the laws/rules whatever need reviewing .. all this, yes it was a handball or a shirt tug or a foul in the area and comments from the 'expert' pundits like 'not enough for a pen' are fecking rubbish .. a handball is a handball, a foul is a foul .. in the area ? .. its a PENALTY KICK
Don't need VAR full stop...just a competent set of professional officials...
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I thought we lined up with a Back 3 of Ramsay Jones and Macca.Southbank said:
We did not have wingbacks to start with, it was a back 4.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:As against Southampton we left our opponents in acres of space - if they knocked the ball out wide we continually failed to pick up the wide player. Our Wing Backs seem to provide little cover.
I'm unclear if players are not following instructions or simply have zero awareness of positioning.
Not clear how this will be fixed - seems inevitable we will keep shipping cheap goals.0 -
Started with Bree - Jones - Gillesphey - Ramsay, switched to Bree - Ramsay - Jones - Gillesphey - Campbellhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I thought we lined up with a Back 3 of Ramsay Jones and Macca.Southbank said:
We did not have wingbacks to start with, it was a back 4.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:As against Southampton we left our opponents in acres of space - if they knocked the ball out wide we continually failed to pick up the wide player. Our Wing Backs seem to provide little cover.
I'm unclear if players are not following instructions or simply have zero awareness of positioning.
Not clear how this will be fixed - seems inevitable we will keep shipping cheap goals.2 -
That’s the spirit.panther10 said:Saturday will be 6 losses on the trot , brutal drop from our good start2 -
Yes 6 losses on the trot probably after Saturday but how many of those games would we have expected to win ? Those games will not define our season. It’s Oxford, Portsmouth etc that will1
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We always win at fratton park ,cant see it this time around0
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Is Ramsey out Saturday with 5 yellows after 19 games?2
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To stay up we need to get another 23-27 points from 27 games.
We have 81 points to play for. Get our injured players back, get a few new signings in January and we should be OK.
He also needs to offload/loan out a few to create space in the squad in January.
Again, we need to be sensible in our expectations. Losing to Southampton, Stoke, Wrexham, Coventry and Boro’ is not a shock - out of those games, we gifted Wrexham a penalty, but in all 5 games we were beaten by teams with massive budgets and valuable squads. The quality of these teams is way above ours, so whether NJ picked a different formation or having a pop at TC is really missing the point. I doubt any of our starting players would have got into that Boro’ team last night.
It is tiring to hear so many hear whining about NJ and expecting that we can compete with those teams - we can’t, for now.
NJ does need some help from the Board in January and I am sure he will get some new players in.
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Id imagine so... But technically he is on six yellow cards, given that he got two against Millwall... The fact he got two yellows in that game... MIGHT save himGrovenuts said:Is Ramsey out Saturday with 5 yellows after 19 games?0 -
Ah as he has served his suspension for the 2 yellows= a redForeverAddickted said:
Id imagine so... But technically he is on six yellow cards, given that he got two against Millwall... The fact he got two yellows in that game... MIGHT save himGrovenuts said:Is Ramsey out Saturday with 5 yellows after 19 games?0 -
Surely if the 2 yellows = red were not wiped out he would of been on 5 already and would of been banned before saturday?1
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TC needs a rest, the fella is knackered, and I’m being polite and this time yesterday I was furious when he bottled that challenge.Now, having had time to reflect, I can appreciate that he’s being asked to play multiple positions during a game, and, as a young lad, flying away for international games will take its toll. NJ needs to give him a rest so we can get h back to his best.6
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It's more of a concern on how we lost some of these rather than why.AndyG said:Yes 6 losses on the trot probably after Saturday but how many of those games would we have expected to win ? Those games will not define our season. It’s Oxford, Portsmouth etc that will1 -
You're ’allowed’ to say what you want but not to tell me to piss off. Would you say that to my face?DDOUBLEE said:
Oh piss off, "tiring" we're really not allowed to say anything bad about them are we? The defence of the two strikers that make Leko and Bonne look like Bergkamp and Henry is insane.jimmymelrose said:DDOUBLEE said:
Is Fullah a youth clown?
What about when he's played 20 consecutive games and tires a bit?
You’ll be turning on him too if he does.
As for your team, it would get stuffed with Apter and Rousillon as wing backs. You are the clown imo.
I’m not going to answer you again. I suspect that you’re a Palace fan on a wind-up anyway, calling our players ’clowns.’3 -
1st half: Men against boys.
2nd half: Men against teenagers.
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My mistake - barely noticed Bree.ForeverAddickted said:
Started with Bree - Jones - Gillesphey - Ramsay, switched to Bree - Ramsay - Jones - Gillesphey - Campbellhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I thought we lined up with a Back 3 of Ramsay Jones and Macca.Southbank said:
We did not have wingbacks to start with, it was a back 4.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:As against Southampton we left our opponents in acres of space - if they knocked the ball out wide we continually failed to pick up the wide player. Our Wing Backs seem to provide little cover.
I'm unclear if players are not following instructions or simply have zero awareness of positioning.
Not clear how this will be fixed - seems inevitable we will keep shipping cheap goals.1
