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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Middlesborough: Tuesday 09th December 2025: KO 19:45
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TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.16
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Sounds fine 👌The Red Robin said:
Nailed on 1-1 at Birmingham.eastterrace6168 said:At least the goals conceded figure is going down…😉1 -
In that case,ForeverAddickted said:
He really needs either Fullah or Apter to start to take the "pressure" off him.The Red Robin said:
I have no issue with TC starting - just not in a central role.gmantaxi said:To many favourites with jones , and no doubt will be the same old faces on Saturday, Campbell un droppable for some reason, he must be shit hot in training.
Early in the second half (albeit with Fullah on) TC had the ball and was facing a 'Boro defender, only that Defender suddenly had support and as a result easily won the ball, whilst TC's team mates just stood around and waited for a cross that was always going to be difficult when double marked.
When Fullah started being a problem, TC was able to become more of a problem and started putting crosses in. I've felt the issue for a long time, is that teams can see that TC is our pacey threat, we don't have anyone else, havent really had anyone of a similar ilk since Small got injured at the end of last season, so don't have to concern themselves with us switching the play... I mean who else is there... Bree? - You stop his cross, and you stop his threat.
With Fullah and Apter on though, it gave 'Boro further food for thought, and as a result were opened up easier.
Kaminski
Bree Ramsay Jones Gillesphey TC
Anderson Docherty Fullah
Apter Olaofe
Could be an option? Would certainly give the opposition something to think about.2 -
Bad run of games but don't look defeated.
Grind a point out v Birmingham and then some must win 6 pointers v Oxford, Norwich and Portsmouth which can get us right out of schtuk.
Lots of football left to play and still an abundance of grit and team spirit throughout the team.6 -
I'd swap Docherty or Anderson for Coventry still, but don't dislike it.DDOUBLEE said:
In that case,ForeverAddickted said:
He really needs either Fullah or Apter to start to take the "pressure" off him.The Red Robin said:
I have no issue with TC starting - just not in a central role.gmantaxi said:To many favourites with jones , and no doubt will be the same old faces on Saturday, Campbell un droppable for some reason, he must be shit hot in training.
Early in the second half (albeit with Fullah on) TC had the ball and was facing a 'Boro defender, only that Defender suddenly had support and as a result easily won the ball, whilst TC's team mates just stood around and waited for a cross that was always going to be difficult when double marked.
When Fullah started being a problem, TC was able to become more of a problem and started putting crosses in. I've felt the issue for a long time, is that teams can see that TC is our pacey threat, we don't have anyone else, havent really had anyone of a similar ilk since Small got injured at the end of last season, so don't have to concern themselves with us switching the play... I mean who else is there... Bree? - You stop his cross, and you stop his threat.
With Fullah and Apter on though, it gave 'Boro further food for thought, and as a result were opened up easier.
Kaminski
Bree Ramsay Jones Gillesphey TC
Anderson Docherty Fullah
Apter Olaofe
Could be an option? Would certainly give the opposition something to think about.0 -
It's no coincidence Gilly looked good when he had the more defensive LWB ahead of him in Bell or Edwards and terrible when the more attacking Hernandez or TC are ahead of him. The first played to his strengths the second exposes his weaknesses. The absolute acres between him and thr LWB leaves his lack of pace so exposed. It might even be worth trying Bree at LWB and Apter on the right. As Ramsay is the perfect RCB to do the hybrid role behind a more attacking RWB. And he has the recovery pace to cover.
I think we might need to go 4231 for a while. Pack CM with numbers and some fight allow the 3 behind the striker to rotate. Could work.
TK
Bree Jones Gilly Ramsay
Cov Doc/Anderson
Apter Carey TC
Tanto
Knibbs and Berry can also rotate in the 3. Could allow us to move Carey to come in off the left and one of them in the 10. They can switch it up and also add numbers in CM where needed to stop us getting overwhelmed there.6 -
Think Jones has to wear a fair bit of blame for that one. The first half was an absolute shitshow and lost us the game. Players didn’t know who they were marking, where they should be, leaving absolute acres of space and spare men for Middlesbrough. Whatever prep we did for them couldn’t have been more wrong.
positives. Rallied a bit 2nd half though largely I think to Boro stepping off the gas. Ramsay after a weird few months is starting to look like the quality player we saw last season. Fullah and Olafe gave us more energy. Kaminski kept the score respectable.
But we have such little quality in the final third and add to that now a midfield like a sieve and it’s a massive concern. It’s a hugepositive this is happening now and now in Feb / March. One or two positive results and it will all look much better, but it’s difficult to see these coming when if honest, there’s a few players getting game time not quite at this level, and others are playing with little confidence now.19 -
We lost to Southampton by 4
To Stoke by 3
To Coventry by 2
And to Boro by 1
So a draw on Saturday
(and we'll win the last game of the season by 26 goals)37 -
Think the play-off winner blinded Gillesphey for some, as it needs to be said more, but, he is truly horrendous at this level. We categorically cannot stay up with him in our starting 11, you can see why Plymouth got rid of him when they were in the championship11
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Wouldn’t mind a 3-5-2. Something like:
Kaminski
Ramsay Jones Macca (for now)
Apter Anderson Carey Campbell
Fullah
Tanto Leaburn
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Dont get why Campbell starts every game even if his shite, but Apter has been cast aside9
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You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!!16 -
That was a baffling team selection against a Top 6 team, and not just with hindsight. Carey and Knibbs were so often caught out of position defensively, making it ridiculously easy for Boro to break through the middle.East Kent Addick said:Lost that in the first half due to terrible team selection and formation - starting with Knibbs Carey and Berry was crazy - Gillesphey a liability too but we have no alternative until the transfer window opens unless Bell come back.
I've no idea why, Anderson didn't start im place of one of the 3 No 10s. He's not perfect, but gives way more defensive aggression and energy than those 3. We may have paid big money (by our standards) for Knibbs, but he doesn't improve the team.
We looked much better after the changes, indeed all the subs worked out tonight. It would have been nice to nick a point, but Boro did deserve the win.6 -
Agree with all of this. Just hope Jones isn’t too stubborn on Saturday.AFKABartram said:Think Jones has to wear a fair bit of blame for that one. The first half was an absolute shitshow and lost us the game. Players didn’t know who they were marking, where they should be, leaving absolute acres of space and spare men for Middlesbrough. Whatever prep we did for them couldn’t have been more wrong.
positives. Rallied a bit 2nd half though largely I think to Boro stepping off the gas. Ramsay after a weird few months is starting to look like the quality player we saw last season. Fullah and Olafe gave us more energy. Kaminski kept the score respectable.
But we have such little quality in the final third and add to that now a midfield like a sieve and it’s a massive concern. It’s a hugepositive this is happening now and now in Feb / March. One or two positive results and it will all look much better, but it’s difficult to see these coming when if honest, there’s a few players getting game time not quite at this level, and others are playing with little confidence now.1 -
It was a strange line up in midfield three offensive players who looked all over the place. Knibbs and Carey were rightly replaced and with Docherty, Anderson and Fullah we had more energy. I think Nathan Jones has learnt a lot about his players in this spell, Leaburn and Campbell are not a partnership, Olaofe couldn't hit a barn door and some players such as Carey are suffering from a loss of form. We need the injured back but we also need to add players, Gough being a fixture on the bench is an indication of the reliance and worry over Lloyd Jones, we cant rely on players who are injury prone. As for the forwards, we need Kelman for sure but everytime I see Olaofe, I wonder why he's on our bench and Kanu isnt.2
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Because Kanu is out on loan at WalsallBailey said:It was a strange line up in midfield three offensive players who looked all over the place. Knibbs and Carey were rightly replaced and with Docherty, Anderson and Fullah we had more energy. I think Nathan Jones has learnt a lot about his players in this spell, Leaburn and Campbell are not a partnership, Olaofe couldn't hit a barn door and some players such as Carey are suffering from a loss of form. We need the injured back but we also need to add players, Gough being a fixture on the bench is an indication of the reliance and worry over Lloyd Jones, we cant rely on players who are injury prone. As for the forwards, we need Kelman for sure but everytime I see Olaofe, I wonder why he's on our bench and Kanu isnt.2 -
Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.4
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Poor turnout ,followed by poor selection and woefull first half .1
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I'll join the chorus that didn't get the team selection either. If we've lost four on the bounce and we're playing a good team, then surely we want to keep it tight and be hard to break down. And he starts Knibbs, Carey and Berry. I don't get it. Whatever way I look at it, it makes no sense. No aspect of that midfield was working. Even Coventry was constantly getting caught wrong side of his man, and his half-hearted tracking back was pathetic.
When we replaced half the midfield we started to have some snap in the middle of the park. And only when Berry went off as well did we actually grow into the game.
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These arguments would hold a little weight if we were talking about isolated incidents but they’re not. Every single week he is misplacing 5 yard passes, every single week he’s caught flat footed because he can’t anticipate what his teammates are going to do. The fact is, if we’d signed him over summer he’d be talked about as one of the worst signings we’ve had in a very long time.ForeverAddickted said:
You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!!13 -
Is TC the ONLY individual making mistakes?Smithy said:
These arguments would hold a little weight if we were talking about isolated incidents but they’re not. Every single week he is misplacing 5 yard passes, every single week he’s caught flat footed because he can’t anticipate what his teammates are going to do. The fact is, if we’d signed him over summer he’d be talked about as one of the worst signings we’ve had in a very long time.ForeverAddickted said:
You see what frustrates me most with the TC "abuse" and why I defend it more than most, is the fact that yes his actions in the opposition penalty area were inexcusable... But its the fact that there are good number of seconds between that incident and the second goal where someone else could have prevented the goal from happening.CAFC_boi said:TC absolutely bottles the header in the box then jogs back and we concede … inexcusable and offered nothing attacking all night (season).Fullah did more in his cameo than TC all season (so did Apter) both should be starting ahead of him.People sat around me are finally coming round to my point of view that he’s shite, not sure if the tide has turned fully on here yet. 1 more until 20 games @Callumcafc!Leaburn at least put himself about well tonight with zero service.Gillesphy is an absolute liability - we need to sign a LCB on 1st January.Also Ryan Hardie to go up front.After Birmingham - the few weeks after define our season with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey in a row - don’t pick up two wins in those and we’re down imo.
There are eleven players out on the pitch, yet a good number of fans have such a hate boner for one individual that they're prepared to excuse the actions of others to lay the blame wherever they can at one individual - Take Fullah's effort which was well saved second half, that's what Kaminski should have done for the second goal, instead he's beaten at his near post (Yes he made some decent saves to keep us in it), but he should not be conceding that, whilst the defenders who were back couldn't be bothered to put a block in.
Same at Coventry, everyone blaming Campbell for failing a 2-yard pass, but nothing mentioned about Carey who had the opportunity to play in TC moments earlier, doesnt, causes TC to check his run... THEN gets the pass, and is flat footed for his mistake!!
As for talk about signing Ryan Hardie (Lets talk about someone who hasn't even been linked, and only signed for Wrexham a few months ago), and being down in December... Jesus wept!!
I get it... I will berate him when he makes errors... I'm not pretending he's perfect... But he's being berated and given sole blame, for a mistake today, which could have been avoided in however many seconds it took for Middlesbrough to break down the field, they didn't even outnumber us. Or are we going to pretend as though a team NEVER scores that goal, breaking from their own penalty area after winning a ball7 -
East Terrace Junior said this when he saw the line up. Like Southampton all over again. Far too open.East Kent Addick said:Lost that in the first half due to terrible team selection and formation - starting with Knibbs Carey and Berry was crazy - Gillesphey a liability too but we have no alternative until the transfer window opens unless Bell come back.0 -
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
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At least Coventry and Jones didn't get booked. I imagine Coventry was subbed with that in mind.6
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Curbs was asked on catv during the summer if he could give Nathan Jones one piece of advice for preparing a newly promoted team what would it be?.
His answer. Don't be too loyal. He made that mistake in 98 a paid for it..
Jones has not only shown too much loyalty to some of last seasons ok performers..he's also been too loyal to some of his injury prone old guard from when he was elsewhere.
We need an injection of fit and capable championship players in January to give us a chance.15 -
I can’t believe how sure some people seem to be that we’re going down already. Aside from the fact I’m fairly confident there are at least 3 worse teams in the league than us, you can still get us at 16/1 to be relegated. If I was as certain as some seem to be that it’s gonna happen, I’d be putting some serious money on that.8
