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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Middlesborough: Tuesday 09th December 2025: KO 19:45
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So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?5 -
I've already said that TC made the mistake that led to the breakaway.Sword65pf said:
So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?
But you refuse to acknowledge that others made mistakes in the build up to their second goal as well... Its that simple!!
Or do you genuinely think it was acceptable for Kaminski to let a goal in at his near post?6 -
cantersaddick said:So much has changed in only a few weeks. Need to find a way to stop the rot. Get through to Jan and then rebuild.
Bringing players in when on a bad run is very difficult, on a run like ours you could bring in world beaters and they could still not change things.
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Middlesbrough were class, and so were their fans, both in supporting their team in numbers, and the respect they showed regarding Headphones Norm.
We were pretty professionally beaten, but we still have some fight within the team which gives me hope.14 -
On the TC thing, FA has a point and so do the others. Yes he bottled that challenge and was poor in the first half particularly. Who wasn't poor in the first half? Gillesphey has gone back to backing off players and just letting them run as far as they want, all his defending at the moment reminds of Stansfield's goal for Birmingham last season so I'm sure Saturday will be great. TK should save it but he had credit in the bank for his earlier saves. TC definitely should have done better but his teammates also should have bailed him out4
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Thank you!! - That's simply the point I've been trying to makefenaddick said:On the TC thing, FA has a point and so do the others. Yes he bottled that challenge and was poor in the first half particularly. Who wasn't poor in the first half? Gillesphey has gone back to backing off players and just letting them run as far as they want, all his defending at the moment reminds of Stansfield's goal for Birmingham last season so I'm sure Saturday will be great. TK should save it but he had credit in the bank for his earlier saves. TC definitely should have done better but his teammates also should have bailed him out2 -
I haven’t mentioned the others because it should never have got to them having defend, it was poor by them, but TC after bottling it should have taken one for the team like most other pro’s and stop it at source.ForeverAddickted said:
I've already said that TC made the mistake that led to the breakaway.Sword65pf said:
So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?
But you refuse to acknowledge that others made mistakes in the build up to their second goal as well... Its that simple!!
Or do you genuinely think it was acceptable for Kaminski to let a goal in at his near post?1 -
You've been waiting a long time to get the boot into Coventry like that. Snide little 'pathetic', I see youChunes said:I'll join the chorus that didn't get the team selection either. If we've lost four on the bounce and we're playing a good team, then surely we want to keep it tight and be hard to break down. And he starts Knibbs, Carey and Berry. I don't get it. Whatever way I look at it, it makes no sense. No aspect of that midfield was working. Even Coventry was constantly getting caught wrong side of his man, and his half-hearted tracking back was pathetic.
When we replaced half the midfield we started to have some snap in the middle of the park. And only when Berry went off as well did we actually grow into the game.4 -
If it could work I sometimes feel NJ would play 11 solid pros and no real pace and flair in the team.
After that first half (and the recent form) we can't continue having TC as the only player the opposition really worry about, aside from Carey if we somehow get the ball in and around the penalty area so he can have a shot.
We've got a squad of hard working players, but we need more attacking threats going forward, and more pace in the midfield so we can compete in that area - win loose balls, press and counter attack.
Individually all our players can contribute, but the balance is off. It started when Bree came in and replaced Apter. He got a few goals and assists while we kept it tight at the back and that papered over the cracks for a bit.
It's caught up with us now. First half TC was our only attacking player with pace - he needs a few others who offer that too, much like when we improved last season when we had TC and Small on either wing when we attacked.
Let's see what Anderson can do. He'll lose the ball at times, but others are nowhere near winning the ball to begin with. Fullah needs more game time, and if he gets it, it's only a matter of time before he scores or creates a few goals. If throwing in Apter as well is one too many, then he needs more chances off the bench. I'm not against Olaofe getting a run of starts either, he's another who loses the ball too easily at times, but he's more mobile than Leaburn and stronger than TC.
If any of the above getting more game time is at the expense of solid pros or summer signings then so be it, there are places in this team up for grabs if players want to make a spot their own.
Stick with the recent formula and we'll carry on being overrun all over the pitch.
This squad only competes if we're aggressive and energetic - so it was positive to see we showed more of that in the second half, but we need to show it for the whole game. We're not going to outplay opponents in this league, so when we aren't doing what we need to compete we look well below the standard.
Get the balance right and we won't be under so much pressure at the back, our strikers should get more chances and more space to work in, and we won't be so far off the pace in midfield. We'll probably find it makes most players look better too.
This feels similar to where we were last season, a few tweaks to the starting 11 and style will hopefully make a real difference. NJ has players he really trusts, but the answer isn't playing them all together, it's adding a bit of attacking flair and pace to help the whole team.
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So how long is Bell out for now? Kelman? Burke? Allowing ourselves to lose Will Abbott is the most costly mistake of the season.3
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But it did...Sword65pf said:
I haven’t mentioned the others because it should never have got to them having defend, it was poor by them, but TC after bottling it should have taken one for the team like most other pro’s and stop it at source.ForeverAddickted said:
I've already said that TC made the mistake that led to the breakaway.Sword65pf said:
So it’s ok for everyone to sing his song when he was doing well, which seems a long time ago now, but not ok to criticise when he’s playing shit.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry Prague you don't get it... It’s only TC that can be at fault for anything.PragueAddick said:
Not to mention Carey’s lack of care with the ball twice in front of our box, first time he got away with it, does it again a few mins later and bang, goal.ForeverAddickted said:
The break away is on TC, the conceding at his near post is on Kaminski, the letting of the shot away is on GillespheySword65pf said:
He bottled it , they broke away, it didn’t need to happen. It’s on TC.The Red Robin said:
This just isn’t true. Yes, it was a weak effort, he should put more of a foot in and he was one of the players at fault for this goal - but - they are then able to play the length of the pitch unchallenged, Macca gets caught out of position and turned inside out and Kaminski gets beaten at his near post.Sword65pf said:Not much mention of the complete bottle job Campbell in the post match, assume it was discussed lots in the match thread, if he doesn’t bottle it they don’t score. I think Campbell is very lucky there is nobody else NJ trusts in the same position.
Funnily though, no one gives a shit about Kaminski's error or Gillesphey's - If the issue is the fact that TC shouldn't have backed out of the challenge, maybe the fault is with the person who put the cross into him, and so put it into an area where it was too close to the Defender... Hmm?
But you refuse to acknowledge that others made mistakes in the build up to their second goal as well... Its that simple!!
Or do you genuinely think it was acceptable for Kaminski to let a goal in at his near post?
As I've also said... TC could have won us a corner, or it could have gone for a Goal Kick, neither scenario would have fully avoided a goal, as it still would have enabled 'Boro to build an attack from... The only scenario where TC would have avoided an immediate goal, or within the next few mins, was if he'd controlled it and scored.1 -
I can see where NJ is going with this:The Red Robin said:
Nailed on 1-1 at Birmingham.eastterrace6168 said:At least the goals conceded figure is going down…😉
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I praise players when they play well and criticise them when they play poorly. I'm the normal one in this scenario.Leuth said:
You've been waiting a long time to get the boot into Coventry like that. Snide little 'pathetic', I see youChunes said:I'll join the chorus that didn't get the team selection either. If we've lost four on the bounce and we're playing a good team, then surely we want to keep it tight and be hard to break down. And he starts Knibbs, Carey and Berry. I don't get it. Whatever way I look at it, it makes no sense. No aspect of that midfield was working. Even Coventry was constantly getting caught wrong side of his man, and his half-hearted tracking back was pathetic.
When we replaced half the midfield we started to have some snap in the middle of the park. And only when Berry went off as well did we actually grow into the game.5 -
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But thats where he will start. As system won't change.The Red Robin said:
I have no issue with TC starting - just not in a central role.gmantaxi said:To many favourites with jones , and no doubt will be the same old faces on Saturday, Campbell un droppable for some reason, he must be shit hot in training.
Fed up with the general love in with TC starting. No impact/end product.
It just isnt good enough and people need to take the rose tinted spectacles off.
We have injuries and it isnt all his fault but he certainly is not the answer in that role.4 -
Thought NJ got it wrong from the start and defence was all over the shop, Ramsay not a LB. Least said about the first half the better.
Second half at least we showed some fight and Anderson, Doc, Fullah and Apter all made a difference.
Don't get some of the criticism of Coventry, yes he wasn't great but he was exposed due to NJ starting Knibbs, Carey and Berry which was never going to work.
Not too down, Boro are a decent side but with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey coming up soon we need to be picking up six points from those three games or we are bang in trouble. Also the lower we go the harder it will be to convince quality players to join us.9 -
Accusing probably our hardest-working player of not really trying is normal thenChunes said:
I praise players when they play well and criticise them when they play poorly. I'm the normal one in this scenario, you are not.Leuth said:
You've been waiting a long time to get the boot into Coventry like that. Snide little 'pathetic', I see youChunes said:I'll join the chorus that didn't get the team selection either. If we've lost four on the bounce and we're playing a good team, then surely we want to keep it tight and be hard to break down. And he starts Knibbs, Carey and Berry. I don't get it. Whatever way I look at it, it makes no sense. No aspect of that midfield was working. Even Coventry was constantly getting caught wrong side of his man, and his half-hearted tracking back was pathetic.
When we replaced half the midfield we started to have some snap in the middle of the park. And only when Berry went off as well did we actually grow into the game.0 -
First 30 seconds of this have annoyed me. "We tried to be aggressive". After Southampton NJ said we'd been too aggressive and that cost us, he was right but we had the same gung ho plan herefenaddick said:2 -
He also had to do all that work while avoiding a booking, that's a hard askLargeAddick said:Thought NJ got it wrong from the start and defence was all over the shop, Ramsay not a LB. Least said about the first half the better.
Second half at least we showed some fight and Anderson, Doc, Fullah and Apter all made a difference.
Don't get some of the criticism of Coventry, yes he wasn't great but he was exposed due to NJ starting Knibbs, Carey and Berry which was never going to work.
Not too down, Boro are a decent side but with Oxford, Norwich and Pompey coming up soon we need to be picking up six points from those three games or we are bang in trouble. Also the lower we go the harder it will be to convince quality players to join us.5 -
I think we are just excuse hunting tbh. Many clubs have a fair few injuries at the moment.PragueAddick said:So how long is Bell out for now? Kelman? Burke? Allowing ourselves to lose Will Abbott is the most costly mistake of the season.Those out aren’t exactly massive stand outs. What it’s exposed is our squad is not deep enough in quality.We have the smallest wage bill in the league apparently. You’re always going to be exposed in that case8 -
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Our squad is in need of a refresh, but that is unlikely to happen in January, so we need to compete all the time - when we do, we can upset better teams.
i’ll be delighted if we stay uo this seasons, so we must get points against Oxford and Norwich in the coming weeks.
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A mix of that and signing players with poor injury records. Didn’t Abbott go to a Premier League club? We can’t match that.PragueAddick said:So how long is Bell out for now? Kelman? Burke? Allowing ourselves to lose Will Abbott is the most costly mistake of the season.3 -
You were going so well but then spoilt it with your last sentence.The Red Robin said:Players that need a decent run in the team and a proper chance now over Jones’ usual favourites:
Tanto
Fullah
Apter
Anderson
…and please find a better solution to Macca. Maybe that’s TC at LWB.
If you are going to replace Gillesphey then at least go for a straight replacement. I mean, Roussillion was on the bench. Si why not play him. If he's not fit then why is he there ?0 -
I doubt he’s fit yet. If he is, got to give him a chance.golfaddick said:
You were going so well but then spoilt it with your last sentence.The Red Robin said:Players that need a decent run in the team and a proper chance now over Jones’ usual favourites:
Tanto
Fullah
Apter
Anderson
…and please find a better solution to Macca. Maybe that’s TC at LWB.
If you are going to replace Gillesphey then at least go for a straight replacement. I mean, Roussillion was on the bench. Si why not play him. If he's not fit then why is he there ?1 -
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No that was Tom Pell who is off to Spurs. Abbott seems to have kept his new job under wrapsThe Red Robin said:
A mix of that and signing players with poor injury records. Didn’t Abbott go to a Premier League club? We can’t match that.PragueAddick said:So how long is Bell out for now? Kelman? Burke? Allowing ourselves to lose Will Abbott is the most costly mistake of the season.2 -
I saw him 'warming up' at half time. He will almost certainly never play a minute for us, unless we convert to a rugby teamThe Red Robin said:
I doubt he’s fit yet. If he is, got to give him a chance.golfaddick said:
You were going so well but then spoilt it with your last sentence.The Red Robin said:Players that need a decent run in the team and a proper chance now over Jones’ usual favourites:
Tanto
Fullah
Apter
Anderson
…and please find a better solution to Macca. Maybe that’s TC at LWB.
If you are going to replace Gillesphey then at least go for a straight replacement. I mean, Roussillion was on the bench. Si why not play him. If he's not fit then why is he there ?1 -
Lovely and emotional tribute to Norm both before and during the game.
A professional performance by Borough on us, they took advantage of our mistakes and then managed the second half well knowing we would put some pressure on.
Were Borough better than us? Yes but we could have got something without the mistakes that led to the 2 goals. Bowyer would have hauled TC off for stepping out of that tackle.
Alot of our games in the championship this season have been on a knife edge and quite often we managed to win but at the moment things are not going for us. It will change again I am sure, just need to keep the faith.
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Boro played us off the park first half but the second just before half time killed is…our ex loanee Gilbert Controlled things for them and a shame we didn’t pick him up in the summer….can’t see how he keeps playing TC. … he bottled challenge for 2nd goal…goal is to stay up….hope we pick up a couple of players in Jan0
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If we are targeting the likes of Pompey and Oxford… then there really isn’t a plan B .1
