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POST-MATCH THREAD: Norwich City v Charlton Athletic: Boxing Day 2025: KO 15:00
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That's the spirit.
golfaddick said:charltonbob said:
Not going to happengolfaddick said:PWR.
Probably been said already......
We are the only visiting team this season not to score at Carrow Road and only the second team (Blackburn being the other) not to score against them at all.
So, for the love of God can we sign a striker & some f**king playmakers.....please !
Then we will get relegated2 -
Our hearts bleed for you. You are in a horrible situation.cabbles said:
The worst thing is I’ve been away in Thailand over Xmas ... last night I literally had to shut the laptop and go straight to bed on that result - it’s such a horrible feeling compared to being in the UKAndyG said:I was raging at full time yesterday. Today I’m still bloody raging. For me that was our worst performance of the season, there just didn’t seem to be any desire, how we can go 90 mins without a shot on target against a team that leaks goals is beyond me. I didn’t expect to get anything from the game points wise but that level of performance is just not acceptable.14 -
I’m confident that won’t be the case mate our points total will be ok come the end but it won’t be pretty. We desperately need some creativity up front and another strikergolfaddick said:charltonbob said:
Not going to happengolfaddick said:PWR.
Probably been said already......
We are the only visiting team this season not to score at Carrow Road and only the second team (Blackburn being the other) not to score against them at all.
So, for the love of God can we sign a striker & some f**king playmakers.....please !
Then we will get relegated0 -
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As poor as we were yesterday, I think our good start to the season has made people expect too much. We were always going to be in a relegation battle this season. Even though Wednesday means that there are only really two relegation spots, Birmingham and Wrexham going up meant that there were two fewer teams in the relegation battle. This season was never going to be easy.
Our activity in the transfer market was to assemble a League One all-stars team with a few former Luton players chucked in. This squad was never going to be pushing for the playoffs. The goal was to hopefully stay up and, in the event we went down, hopefully keep most of those players and bounce straight back.
Anything from 7th to 21st means exactly the same thing in this league, so staying up is all that matters.
I also think that Norwich was always going to be a tougher game than most people realised. Their form has improved recently and I don't even consider them to be a relegation candidate.18 -
Where for art thou saviour Godden?
Seriously though, would that help? Is he more likely to make something of nothing than Kelman? Could they even work together up front?0 -
I’m not really fussed by how exciting or boring Nathan Jones’ teams are, I just was Charlton to win. Wanting or needing to be entertained is reserved for watching matches as a neutral.Hartleypete said:Started watching on sky with all the family (10) by half time only 2 of us left watching. The rest went off to play board games, that’s how boring Jones teams are.9 -
At least we have Bromley next season to look forward to2
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Finishing higher could help us sign better players in the summer though.AS1987 said:As poor as we were yesterday, I think our good start to the season has made people expect too much. We were always going to be in a relegation battle this season. Even though Wednesday means that there are only really two relegation spots, Birmingham and Wrexham going up meant that there were two fewer teams in the relegation battle. This season was never going to be easy.
Our activity in the transfer market was to assemble a League One all-stars team with a few former Luton players chucked in. This squad was never going to be pushing for the playoffs. The goal was to hopefully stay up and, in the event we went down, hopefully keep most of those players and bounce straight back.
Anything from 7th to 21st means exactly the same thing in this league, so staying up is all that matters.
I also think that Norwich was always going to be a tougher game than most people realised. Their form has improved recently and I don't even consider them to be a relegation candidate.9 -
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Safety this season, hopefully NJ will provide more attractive tactics next season3
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I was answering to the poster who said that we wont be strengthening in those areas after I had pointed out that those positions are where we need strengthening. So I agree with you......we will stay up if we bring in the right players. If we dont then its same old same old.AndyG said:
I’m confident that won’t be the case mate our points total will be ok come the end but it won’t be pretty. We desperately need some creativity up front and another strikergolfaddick said:charltonbob said:
Not going to happengolfaddick said:PWR.
Probably been said already......
We are the only visiting team this season not to score at Carrow Road and only the second team (Blackburn being the other) not to score against them at all.
So, for the love of God can we sign a striker & some f**king playmakers.....please !
Then we will get relegated
I went yesterday & it was one if the worst performances I've ever seen. And I include in that the 4-0 capitulation at Millwall & the 5-0 drubbing at West Ham.2 -
Lol. A leopard never changes his spotsross1 said:Safety this season, hopefully NJ will provide more attractive tactics next season4 -
I disagree.se9addick said:
I’m not really fussed by how exciting or boring Nathan Jones’ teams are, I just was Charlton to win. Wanting or needing to be entertained is reserved for watching matches as a neutral.Hartleypete said:Started watching on sky with all the family (10) by half time only 2 of us left watching. The rest went off to play board games, that’s how boring Jones teams are.4 -
It seems mad to keep playing 3-5-2 when we don't have any wing backs. Even a fit Bree has no forward momentum. Edwards is a FB, Bell a CB. Four at the back would allow us to drop the oil tanker that is Macca and a 4-3-3 could have TC and Apter either side of any of our strikers.
With wingers on the touchlines, MF would have an out ball. We could get away with a right footed LCB.13 -
I wouldn't care if we won every game 1-0 you get 3 points just the same.golfaddick said:
I disagree.se9addick said:
I’m not really fussed by how exciting or boring Nathan Jones’ teams are, I just was Charlton to win. Wanting or needing to be entertained is reserved for watching matches as a neutral.Hartleypete said:Started watching on sky with all the family (10) by half time only 2 of us left watching. The rest went off to play board games, that’s how boring Jones teams are.
I know we're not gonna win every game and if we get beaten by a better team that's the way it goes.
I just want to see a team fight and be the best they can be.9 -
Well it could easily impact his overall performancebobmunro said:IAgree said:Is it possible Bree might be unsettled because of his future? Most people would be in similar circumstances.That may well be the case, but I'm not sure that would affect his ability to lift the ball higher than two feet from a dead ball situation.
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Hopefully not - He’s done pretty well so far!golfaddick said:
Lol. A leopard never changes his spotsross1 said:Safety this season, hopefully NJ will provide more attractive tactics next season3 -
Another problem with scoring so few goals is it puts the defence on panic mode every time the balls goes in our box, as they know it is even more important we don't concede as the chances then of getting a win are dissappearingly small.4
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I prefer 3-5-2 in principle, but you are absolutely correct that we do not currently have a single proper wing-back necessary to make it work. Campbell and Apter are good players but are both out-and-out wingers.Gisappointed said:It seems mad to keep playing 3-5-2 when we don't have any wing backs. Even a fit Bree has no forward momentum. Edwards is a FB, Bell a CB. Four at the back would allow us to drop the oil tanker that is Macca and a 4-3-3 could have TC and Apter either side of any of our strikers.
With wingers on the touchlines, MF would have an out ball. We could get away with a right footed LCB.
To play 4-3-3 you need two full-backs. We have them in Ramsay and Bell.
You need two centre-backs. We have only Jones of sufficient quality.
You need a winger for each flank. We have them in Campbell and Apter.
You need three midfielders. We have only Coventry of sufficient quality (barely). And Carey if he recovers his form, but that is a big "if". Maybe Terry Taylor? He is doing so well at Northampton that they made him, a loanee, captain. Got to be better than Docherty, but maybe still not good enough. We probably will not see Edwards back to his best until next season.
The main problem with playing two real wingers is you can only play one striker, and he needs to be an all-rounder, who both can score and hold up the ball to play in a winger or midfielder to score. Leaburn at his best might do, but he may not get to that level until too late in the season (if ever). And we would need another similar to rotate after an hour. A fit Godden would do, but I fear his career at this level is over.
So to play 4-3-3 we need:
A starting CB (preferably a leftie)
An athletic all-rounder MF
An all-rounder CF. Very expensive unless someone in the last lap of their career.
That leaves Kelman, Knibbs, Docherty, Ahadme, Olaofe, Berry and Rankin-Costello unwanted. What a waste of money!
I don't like NF or his "style" of football, but we have the lowest wage-bill in the division yet are not in the bottom three, so he gets a reluctant pass from me.4 -
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The way I see it, NJ's style of football got us promoted last season and so far has kept us out of the bottom 3.
We haven't spent anything like Brum or Billy Smarts this season and aren't that far off them at the moment. He is still in credit in my book.
Unfortunately our injuries always seem to affect our better players, but they are now returning and we have to see what the transfer window brings us.
Still confident of finishing around 14th - 18th.17 -
you can sign all the prolific strikers you like,but if you dont have the midfield to supply them you are wasting your time.se9addick said:
One issue which I haven’t seen mentioned was the abject lack of leadership yesterday, which has been a theme for some time. I don’t think Docherty is incredible but when he’s not on the pitch I feel like we often look more like XI individuals rather than a coherent team. Lloyd Jones is about the only other player that I see orchestrating, encouraging and cajoling the rest of the team. I really hope this is something that can be addressed in January (and I’d probably something that is easier addressed than us suddenly being able to sign a prolific striker).wmcf123 said:Time for Docherty not to play again, in my view. I saw some 6s and even a 7 on the marks thread- I thought he was awful and it was a substitution that made no sense to me - Anderson wasn’t spectacular but he was doing Anderson type things .12 -
Not sure Harry Kane would get in double figures playing for us this season.thickandthin63 said:
you can sign all the prolific strikers you like,but if you dont have the midfield to supply them you are wasting your time.se9addick said:
One issue which I haven’t seen mentioned was the abject lack of leadership yesterday, which has been a theme for some time. I don’t think Docherty is incredible but when he’s not on the pitch I feel like we often look more like XI individuals rather than a coherent team. Lloyd Jones is about the only other player that I see orchestrating, encouraging and cajoling the rest of the team. I really hope this is something that can be addressed in January (and I’d probably something that is easier addressed than us suddenly being able to sign a prolific striker).wmcf123 said:Time for Docherty not to play again, in my view. I saw some 6s and even a 7 on the marks thread- I thought he was awful and it was a substitution that made no sense to me - Anderson wasn’t spectacular but he was doing Anderson type things .
How many chances would he get?3 -
Very disappointing. I always try to look for positives, and there were a couple.Gough had a great debut.Bell continuing his comeback was encouraging.The thing that annoyed me the most was that there was a period where we forced Norwich into giving the ball away multiple times, but we didn’t do enough with the turnovers.4
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It's easier and cheaper to build a team that's hard to score against vs one that's so good going forward it can score 3/4/5 a game if needed.EugenesAxe said:Another problem with scoring so few goals is it puts the defence on panic mode every time the balls goes in our box, as they know it is even more important we don't concede as the chances then of getting a win are dissappearingly small.
Curbs, Powell and Bowyer all built squads in a similar way - they ensured we competed first, which gave us a chance in games more often than not.
Managers like Garner and Peeters put a bigger emphasis on possession and pretty football. That needs more money and patience than we've got.
Some good January signings, getting players fit back from injury and a better balanced team (more attacking threats than we had vs Norwich) then we should be ok. It won't be great to watch, but it's still a lot better than being in L1.10 -
For me it’s the fear of going back to L1 I honestly don’t think I can do it anymore so maybe I’m to critical, just an absolute gash league, if there is a god 4th bottom will do !10
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Just need a bit of a run again. More depth in the squad is needed. But very unlucky to get two injuries in the same position.This window will show us how serious these owners are IMO.3
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I agree, it's more that we have gone from the solidity to the ball pin balling around and our defenders hacking at everything, seems more a game of chance than percentage now. think the run of heavy defeats has given them a fright.Scoham said:
It's easier and cheaper to build a team that's hard to score against vs one that's so good going forward it can score 3/4/5 a game if needed.EugenesAxe said:Another problem with scoring so few goals is it puts the defence on panic mode every time the balls goes in our box, as they know it is even more important we don't concede as the chances then of getting a win are dissappearingly small.
Curbs, Powell and Bowyer all built squads in a similar way - they ensured we competed first, which gave us a chance in games more often than not.
Managers like Garner and Peeters put a bigger emphasis on possession and pretty football. That needs more money and patience than we've got.
Some good January signings, getting players fit back from injury and a better balanced team (more attacking threats than we had vs Norwich) then we should be ok. It won't be great to watch, but it's still a lot better than being in L1.1 -
CF even said similar in his post match.0
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Same. I would take finishing 7th-21st for 15 years in a row. I just don't want us back in that league.gmantaxi said:For me it’s the fear of going back to L1 I honestly don’t think I can do it anymore so maybe I’m to critical, just an absolute gash league, if there is a god 4th bottom will do !
It kills clubs of our size. Even fanbases with more hardcore fan bases and bigger stadiums would decline in that league. It's an utter graveyard.
Can't stand reading people say "we are a year ahead of where we are supposed to be" etc. It's utter nonsense. If you get promoted from League 1, especially in the fashion we did, you should be ready for this league. You have a transfer window just like everyone else.
It's pretty simple from here. They need to invest every penny they can to help Jones, or, we likely go down with Sheffield Wednesday and one poor other sod, the form table doesn't lie.
People think we are one year ahead so it's an excuse for potential relegation, a relegation will probably set us back at least 2-4 years, cause we won't keep our best players, and don't suspect Jones will fancy League 1 again. He needs and deserves to be backed in this January with actual Championship signings, not League 1 players.12
