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POST-MATCH THREAD: Norwich City v Charlton Athletic: Boxing Day 2025: KO 15:00
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in both their cases, we were trying to fill square holes with 2 very over-round pegs.Braziliance said:
We still have money. The strictness has loopholes, like length of contract.NabySarr said:
The difference in TV money is about £10m which is probably what we spent in the summer.Chippycafc said:
Been saying that for ages. Speculate to accumulate. Remember the difference in TV money in this league should off load some of this.EugenesAxe said:If the owners want to run the club on a L1 budget there will be a fitting outcome.The financial rules in the championship are stricter than league 1. If you go over budget in league 1 then the owners can just pay the difference as equity. In the championship you get a points deduction
In league 1 we went over budget and the owners paid the difference so we were fine. I’d imagine this season we are pushing our budget as far as it can go within the rules. People demanding we spend more money are going to be disappointed because it’s not going to happen
As an example Kelman on a 4 year contract with a rumoured 3.5 million fee. If that is the case, Kelman will eat into 875k of our transfer window for this season. You can apply that to all of our signings. It isn't as simple as 3.5 million is deducted from the 13 million.
Shame we are pissing wages up the wall on the likes of Roussillon and Hernandez. Regardless of the length of contracts, that's money wasted and an example of our poor recruitment.
We had enough money and owners with enough wealth to build a team, we just signed too much guff unfortunately. From what I understand though, unless all the public information is wrong, we still have a few million left.1 -
Anyone we sign would need to be ready to play, otherwise no point in signing them, the type of players we need should have been playing or at the very least up to speed but on someone else’s bench.CharltonManor1966 said:
Another concern is that even if the owners let Jones spend say another 10 Million, he will not want to put them straight in. He will want to get them up to his fitness levels and get them playing to his preferred system.......Chunes said:
I think we are talking about two different things. I'm saying that spending big money is no guarantee of the player scoring goals, as evidenced by many examples in this league, but you seem to be talking about signing players who are already top Championship goalscorers this season, so that would more or less guarantee goals.Braziliance said:
That's not entirely how the transfer worth works, or McBurnie, Morris and Moore would be worth more based on goals alone.Chunes said:
I get what you're saying, but their 'worth' is high because they're scoring goals in the Championship. What are their actual transfer fees?Braziliance said:
Alternatively, the top scorers are all worth millions, so a players value typically does guarantee you goals.Chunes said:Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything.
Adam Armstrong, 11 goals, 9 million.
Thomas-Asante, 10 goals, 12 million.
J. Gelhardt, 10 goals, 5 million (probs worth more)
Kieffer Moore, 10 goals, 2 million (age impacts)
Carlton Morris, 10 goals, 6 million
Oli McBurnie, 9 goals, 2.5 million (age)
The list goes on. None of these players would be cheap or come with cheap wages, except for Gelhardt.
Not all the expensive strikers are good, but all the good strikers are expensive. That's just how it is and to paint it any other way is using a very small sample.
They need to spend some wonga, all there is to it. League 1 players probably won't keep us up.
McBurnie was a free transfer.
Kieffer Moore was 2 million but that's cheap for this league, we signed Kelman for more.
Morris signed for Luton for 1.3 million back in 2022, last fee undisclosed.
Asante was also undisclosed, but rumoured to be 2 million.
There will be a lot of strikers who signed for big money who aren't on that list.
McBurnie has gone for 20 million as recently as 2020 and is now in his late 20s.
Moore is 33 and has been a multi million pound signing over 4 times.
Carlton Morris has also moved for a multi million pound fee a couple of times and 30 now.
The key thing here is wages. They are all on big wages, wages we can't compete with. If we had signed McBurnie or Morris, we would probably be quite wide of the relegation zone with their goals, as they're on a completely different level to any of our current forwards.
Money will always win in the end. Every team that sits above us has a more valuable squad and has spent more money. If you gave Nathan Jones the likes of McBurnie, Moore, Morris etc, in this current setup, we would look a completely different side.
Big wages sign the best players, until we change our infrastructure, we won't progress, or it will be extremely unlikely.
I've got no expectation that we can sign anyone like that, or that they would have any interest in coming here.
We might start running out if winnable games before new signings can start to upgrade our team......3 -
So, to sum up. we need:
--- A regular goal-scorer like Alfie May
--- An athletic wing-back who can defend and get forward like Thierry Small
--- A midfield dynamo like George Dobson
Why can our club never sign players like that?
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We can sign em ok, it's keeping hold of them that's the problem.wolfgang said:So, to sum up. we need:
--- A regular goal-scorer like Alfie May
--- An athletic wing-back who can defend and get forward like Thierry Small
--- A midfield dynamo like George Dobson
Why can our club never sign players like that?2 -
Meanwhile back on the transfer rumours thread...😉0
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Meanwhile back on the post match thread Norwich v Charlton.0
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It did look like the players had the same hangover I had on Boxing Day. Very odd performance to last a whole game, and I wonder if NJ not being on the touchline had an influence.He would have been screaming blue murder at them with all the mistakes and lack of urgency.As a collective unit they need to find a way to snap out of it.2
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Good point well madeNabySarr said:
Can’t really do more than we are already though. Championship clubs are allowed to lose £13m a season on average (£39m over 3 years is the rule). I’d imagine we are going to be losing at least £10m this season, maybe moreBraziliance said:
That's not entirely how the transfer worth works, or McBurnie, Morris and Moore would be worth more based on goals alone.Chunes said:
I get what you're saying, but their 'worth' is high because they're scoring goals in the Championship. What are their actual transfer fees?Braziliance said:
Alternatively, the top scorers are all worth millions, so a players value typically does guarantee you goals.Chunes said:Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything.
Adam Armstrong, 11 goals, 9 million.
Thomas-Asante, 10 goals, 12 million.
J. Gelhardt, 10 goals, 5 million (probs worth more)
Kieffer Moore, 10 goals, 2 million (age impacts)
Carlton Morris, 10 goals, 6 million
Oli McBurnie, 9 goals, 2.5 million (age)
The list goes on. None of these players would be cheap or come with cheap wages, except for Gelhardt.
Not all the expensive strikers are good, but all the good strikers are expensive. That's just how it is and to paint it any other way is using a very small sample.
They need to spend some wonga, all there is to it. League 1 players probably won't keep us up.
McBurnie was a free transfer.
Kieffer Moore was 2 million but that's cheap for this league, we signed Kelman for more.
Morris signed for Luton for 1.3 million back in 2022, last fee undisclosed.
Asante was also undisclosed, but rumoured to be 2 million.
There will be a lot of strikers who signed for big money who aren't on that list.
McBurnie has gone for 20 million as recently as 2020 and is now in his late 20s.
Moore is 33 and has been a multi million pound signing over 4 times.
Carlton Morris has also moved for a multi million pound fee a couple of times and 30 now.
The key thing here is wages. They are all on big wages, wages we can't compete with. If we had signed McBurnie or Morris, we would probably be quite wide of the relegation zone with their goals, as they're on a completely different level to any of our current forwards.
Money will always win in the end. Every team that sits above us has a more valuable squad and has spent more money. If you gave Nathan Jones the likes of McBurnie, Moore, Morris etc, in this current setup, we would look a completely different side.
Big wages sign the best players, until we change our infrastructure, we won't progress, or it will be extremely unlikely.
We need to stay at this level obviously, and each year build up our revenues. The main way to compete though is to sell players. Look at all the non-parachute teams that do well in the championship and most are good at selling players for fees. That is why we’ve targeted signings we think we can develop, and why we leave spots open for academy players to develop. It’s really not easy to do, but it’s the only way we will be able to increase our budget to compete higher up the leagueThe way for us to climb the league isn’t the owners pouring more money in. Because the rules don’t allow it. We need to increase revenue ourselves. It’s not as simple as us just needing to spend more money on wages or transfers, because there probably isn’t much more room to do so0 -
No guarantee, but increases the likelihood Chunesy.Chunes said:Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything.0 -
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I guess it really depends. For every Darren Bent there's a Luke Varney.JamesSeed said:
No guarantee, but increases the likelihood Chunesy.Chunes said:Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything.
Ahadme was an expensive signing for League One.
If we signed someone like Adam Armstrong for £20 million, I think he'd struggle in this team and with how we play.0 -
With how we play I think any striker would struggle to score goals, I don’t think our midfield is good enough to comfortably survive at this level as it is - we can criticise our strikers’ lack of goals but aside from Leaburn vs Birmingham they don’t exactly get any chances on a plate and that’s down to our midfield not having enough possession or being able to create enough chances.Chunes said:
I guess it really depends. For every Darren Bent there's a Luke Varney.JamesSeed said:
No guarantee, but increases the likelihood Chunesy.Chunes said:Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything.
Ahadme was an expensive signing for League One.
If we signed someone like Adam Armstrong for £20 million, I think he'd struggle in this team and with how we play.3 -
Had a striker who scored 18 goals in 41 last season playing the exact same way. Our system isn’t designed for strikers to thrive but doesn’t excuse the fact none of our forwards have looked anywhere near the level besides the odd moment of quality. Tanto has missed 3 1on1’s, Leaburn has missed an open goal, Kelman had a good chance at Wednesday, TC missed that header at Leicester and that’s just at the top of my head our strikers have definitely had more service than their numbers suggestSheedyCAFC said:
With how we play I think any striker would struggle to score goals, I don’t think our midfield is good enough to comfortably survive at this level as it is - we can criticise our strikers’ lack of goals but aside from Leaburn vs Birmingham they don’t exactly get any chances on a plate and that’s down to our midfield not having enough possession or being able to create enough chances.Chunes said:
I guess it really depends. For every Darren Bent there's a Luke Varney.JamesSeed said:
No guarantee, but increases the likelihood Chunesy.Chunes said:Interesting that Norwich bought three strikers in the past two seasons. Crnac for £11 million and Kvistgaarden for £8 million, but the one who's working out best for them is Makama, who cost a fraction of that at £1.2 million. Just goes to show that splashing big cash on a striker doesn't guarantee anything.
Ahadme was an expensive signing for League One.
If we signed someone like Adam Armstrong for £20 million, I think he'd struggle in this team and with how we play.1
