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POST-MATCH THREAD: Norwich City v Charlton Athletic: Boxing Day 2025: KO 15:00
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Yes we were awful , didn't have a shot on target. Norwich should have had 3 or 4. Very worrying , lose at Pompey and we are bang in trouble.Chippycafc said:Crikey lads was it really that bad. At work since 3 and just came in and saw the result. Then to read the comments here but then looking at some of the players marks just dont add up. Apart from how bad Bree is.1 -
When you look at his scoring record I can believe it - would have looked a gamble at the time, he's one goal away from equalling his league goals scored for Lincoln.Chunes said:Can't believe they got Makama for £1.2 million. He looks an excellent player. I think we've paid a lot more for less.
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I’m not in the our team is fit for a relegation, but that type of performance can’t be seen too often, we’ve won enough games and seen enough performances to suggest we will pick up points with some additions, don’t think we should be giving up on them at the moment, it was a pretty awful day at the office but we will be ok.5
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Scoham said:
When you look at his scoring record I can believe it - would have looked a gamble at the time, he's one goal away from equalling his league goals scored for Lincoln.Chunes said:Can't believe they got Makama for £1.2 million. He looks an excellent player. I think we've paid a lot more for less.
Don't think even Norwich fans would have seen him as anything more than a project signing at the start of the season with them keeping Sargent and signing Kvistgaarden for big money. Looks a right handful though.2 -
Playing not to lose rather than thinking this is a massive game for us to try to win and to least have a go at them.
At any level, our set pieces are unacceptable.4 -
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PWR.
Probably been said already......
We are the only visiting team this season not to score at Carrow Road and only the second team (Blackburn being the other) not to score against them at all.
So, for the love of God can we sign a striker & some f**king playmakers.....please !5 -
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Up to the subs,2 poor teams but we didn’t look like we would lose, crying out for TC RA & CK, the attitude & lack of fight from RA & TC was awful & I love those players1
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Why does Knibbs not get a look in? I can to an extent admire jones for sticking to his convictions but it’s getting to a point that surely a change in tactics is needed5
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Dire. Gave up watching with 15 to go, couldn’t stomach it. We literally could have played till Christmas and still not have a shot on target. Just dreadful. We are in a battle now. First time I’ve thought about safety tbh.2
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I’ve decided I’m putting my ginger wig and my wife away until Sonny gets his finger out!!😤10
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Strange game we were dealing with them quite easily but sometimes you need that bit of luck they got it with Jones tackle hits inside of the striker leg and bounces down perfectly .. then late on the keeper got lucky when the ball spun back to him with Kelman ready for a tap.. but this game was down to poor substitution at the wrong time … Kelman Apter and Doc should have been on at HT for Leaburn , Anderson and Bree …… the important games were and still are Pompey and Blackburn nothing changed7
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Don’t think knibbs has done enough to demand a spot is my guess. We might see him against pompey though.AberystwythAddick said:Why does Knibbs not get a look in? I can to an extent admire jones for sticking to his convictions but it’s getting to a point that surely a change in tactics is needed5 -
Yep, let’s just take a trip to the magic “reliable Championship goalscorers” tree and take our pick. Sure there will be tons to pick from in a January transfer window.golfaddick said:PWR.
Probably been said already......
We are the only visiting team this season not to score at Carrow Road and only the second team (Blackburn being the other) not to score against them at all.
So, for the love of God can we sign a striker & some f**king playmakers.....please !6 -
Been really disappointed in him from what we've seen so far and the reported fee spent , but I wouldn't be against starting him against Pompey to freshen it up and rest Carey. Need to do something different in there.Sword65pf said:
Don’t think knibbs has done enough to demand a spot is my guess. We might see him against pompey though.AberystwythAddick said:Why does Knibbs not get a look in? I can to an extent admire jones for sticking to his convictions but it’s getting to a point that surely a change in tactics is needed3 -
Dire performance from start to finish. One thing we normally do is show desire and fight which we didn’t do today at all. First time this season I’m worried about relegation. If we play anywhere near that level on Monday we will lose. I really think jones went out today not to concede and when we did that was it. We could have played all day and not scored. I’m really hoping we get 3/4 decent players in January that improve our attacking threat otherwise I think we are in trouble2
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Yes agree, was quite excited by him signing but not really happened for him yet.MarcusH26 said:
Been really disappointed in him from what we've seen so far and the reported fee spent , but I wouldn't be against starting him against Pompey to freshen it up and rest Carey. Need to do something different in there.Sword65pf said:
Don’t think knibbs has done enough to demand a spot is my guess. We might see him against pompey though.AberystwythAddick said:Why does Knibbs not get a look in? I can to an extent admire jones for sticking to his convictions but it’s getting to a point that surely a change in tactics is needed0 -
Horribe performance.
Norwich surrendered possession to us in dangerous areas a number of times and we never once looked like scoring. As an attacking force we are so one dimensional it is frightening. Look what happened when Leaburn and Olafe went off - the back 3 and keeper literally had no idea what to do when they had the ball as our only attacking instruction seems to be punt it forward and hope to pick up a second ball.
Thats not to say that Leaburn or Olafe offered anything. Leaburn was as bad as he was good last week and whilst Olafe's endeavor can't be questioned, he is a very limited player. He doesn't have a strikers instinct either - so many times he is on his heels and rarely finds space or anticipates a pass.
I've said it all season that midfield is a huge issue for us and it continues to be.
The honeymoon with Carey is well and truly over imo. He has been going backwards for a few weeks and is currently offereing nothing, but aimless dribbles and wildly optimistic long range shooting.
As with Leaburn, Anderson was as bad today as he was good last week and poor Connor Coventry is left carrying 2 passengers.
Anderson does give some legs and athleticism, but at this level he is isn't really the answer. We need a big physical presence in there, someone to carry us up the pitch at pace. I doubt the funds are there for that sort of player as we have injuries and gaps elsewhere that need plugging.
As soon as Bell went off we looked completely unbalanced and Gillesphy gets shown up to be the limited player he is as he is immediately exposed. Jones and Gough were solid enough and I don't actually blame Jones for the goal, it was a slice of luck which unfortunately dropped to a player who is bang in form at the moment.
Alas, I have to mention Bree. Dear oh dear. I can only assume he was on the Sherry yesterday as he was absolutley woeful. Why on earth was he allowed to keep taking set plays? Every single one was shocking. How may times did he not beat the first man? He was no better in open play and constantly gave the ball away. He offers nothing going forward either - he seems immune to being dropped though as he is a Jones favourite.
None of the subs impacted the game in any way and you could hear in the tone of Steve Brown's voice that he didn't agree with Doherty coming on or where Campbell was initially asked to play. The sight of Lloyd Jones bollocking Campbell for standing and watching a loose ball on the edge of our box kind of summed his afternoon up.
We need fresh legs in January and if the budget is limited we need to spend wisely. IMO we should only be looking to loan a left wing back as Edwards will hopefully be back at some point and the money is best used on a midfielder.
Really hoping Jones can do an about turn in relation to the load market. In the Championship you are shopping in a very different loan market and there will be Premier League options - we need some better attacking options and more mobility in the team, you'd like to think that loans might be the answer there.
Ultimately, if we are going to continue to 'play' this way then we need a decent, experienced target man as none of the forwards we currently have are able to fulfil that role at the moment.11 -
Really disappointing performance and result. We looked as bad today as Oxford looked against us last week. Whilst we can keep games tight for large periods of time, we just looked completely devoid of any attacking threat whatsoever. I get that NJ is managing squad and fitness, but he's still tinkering at times to try and find something that works going forward. Players are coming in and out and in different positions, meaning that we cannot find any rhythm when we have the ball. As much as Anderson provides more (imo) than Docherty, his default is always a backwards pass and can neither creatively bring the ball forward with either a dribble or a forward pass. I do feel it's a really thankless task for any of our forwards, because we are so defensive in our play.
Like others have pointed out, Bree was really poor today. His set pieces have been honking for a while now, and, when we are not scoring as freely as we once were, they need to be better. The free kick was straight at the wall. The corners were criminally under or overhit. This is a professional footballer and must do better. When he first came in, he played so well - but now, he's one of the worst offenders of underperformance. I really don't think he'd be worth paying the substantial wages in January, and if his set pieces continue to be so poor, he brings very little. The inconsistency of his performances just make me think we should be able to find better.
Norwich are going to climb - Manning put them in a hole, but they will start moving up slowly. Ordinarily, it's not a place we'd go to expect points. It's the lack of performance that irks me the most. I would still prefer a 4-2-3-1 system that could allow for us to have Apter and Campbell wide and just ditch the obsession with WBs when we don't have the players that can play the position. I'm no expert - maybe this is the only way NJ can see us getting points. Somehow, we need to get some more players in the team that carry more of a threat with the ball.
Another big game vs Pompey comes quickly. Not quite a must win, but definitely a must avoid a loss. It's all well and good keeping it tight, but goalscoring is essential if we want to give ourselves the best chance of staying up and I don't think we're making the best of the resources we have. I wonder if whoever NJ was shown sitting next to was someone of importance in deciding who we may look to bring in in January.2 -
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Thought Gough was good10
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He not going to be on top form playing a more defensive role .. get Doc back in and put Carey back in his normal role .. why change it when it was working perfectly fine ??Dazzler21 said:I think we feel like we're a player down when Carey isn't on top form. Which sadly has been way too often lately.
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Yes, But apart from all that ? 😉😆Clem_Snide said:Horribe performance.
Norwich surrendered possession to us in dangerous areas a number of times and we never once looked like scoring. As an attacking force we are so one dimensional it is frightening. Look what happened when Leaburn and Olafe went off - the back 3 and keeper literally had no idea what to do when they had the ball as our only attacking instruction seems to be punt it forward and hope to pick up a second ball.
Thats not to say that Leaburn or Olafe offered anything. Leaburn was as bad as he was good last week and whilst Olafe's endeavor can't be questioned, he is a very limited player. He doesn't have a strikers instinct either - so many tiomes he is on heels and rarely finds space or anticipates a pass.
I've said it all season that midfield is a huge issue for us and it continues to be.
The honeymoon with Carey is well and truly over imo. He has been going backwards for a few weeks and is currently offerening nothing, but aimless dribbles and wildly optimistic long range shooting. As with Leaburn Anderson was as bad today as he was good last week and poor Connor Coventry is left carrying 2 passengers.
Anderson does give some legs and athleticism in there, but at this level he is isn't really the answer. We need a big physical prescence in there, someone to carry us up the pitch at pace. I douibt the funds are there for that sort of player as we have injuries and gaps elsewhere that need plugging.
As soon as Bell goes off we looked completely unbalanced and Gillesphy gets shown up to be the limited player he is as he is immediately exposed. Jones and Gough were solid enough and I don't actually blame Jones for the goal, it was a slice of luck which unfortunately dropped to a player who is bang in form at the moment.
Unfortunately I have to mention Bree. Dear oh dear. I can only assume he was on the Sherry yesterday as he was absolutley woeful. Why on earth was he allowed to keep taking set plays? Every single one was shocking. How may times did he not beat the first man? He was no better in open play and constantly gave the ball away. He offers nothing going forward either - he seems immune to being dropped though as he is a Jones favourite.
None of the subs impacted the game in any way and you could hear in the tone of Steve Brown's voice that he didn't agree with Doherty coming on or where Campbell was initially asked to play. The sight of Lloyd Jones bollocking Campbell for standing and watching a loose ball on the edge of our box kind of summed his afternoon up.
We need fresh legs in January and if the budget is limited we need to spend wisely. IMO we should only be looking to loan a left wing back as Edwards will hopefully be back at some point and the money is best used on a midfielder.
Really hoping Jones can do an about turn in relation to the load market. In the Championship you are shopping in a very different loan market and there will be Premier League options - we need some better attacking options and more mobility in the team, you'd like to think that loans might be the answer there.
Ultimately, if we are going to continue to 'play' this way then we need a decent, experienced target man as none of the forwards we currently have are able to fulfil that role at the moment.1 -
Bang on this post.👍Clem_Snide said:Horribe performance.
Norwich surrendered possession to us in dangerous areas a number of times and we never once looked like scoring. As an attacking force we are so one dimensional it is frightening. Look what happened when Leaburn and Olafe went off - the back 3 and keeper literally had no idea what to do when they had the ball as our only attacking instruction seems to be punt it forward and hope to pick up a second ball.
Thats not to say that Leaburn or Olafe offered anything. Leaburn was as bad as he was good last week and whilst Olafe's endeavor can't be questioned, he is a very limited player. He doesn't have a strikers instinct either - so many tiomes he is on heels and rarely finds space or anticipates a pass.
I've said it all season that midfield is a huge issue for us and it continues to be.
The honeymoon with Carey is well and truly over imo. He has been going backwards for a few weeks and is currently offerening nothing, but aimless dribbles and wildly optimistic long range shooting. As with Leaburn Anderson was as bad today as he was good last week and poor Connor Coventry is left carrying 2 passengers.
Anderson does give some legs and athleticism in there, but at this level he is isn't really the answer. We need a big physical prescence in there, someone to carry us up the pitch at pace. I douibt the funds are there for that sort of player as we have injuries and gaps elsewhere that need plugging.
As soon as Bell goes off we looked completely unbalanced and Gillesphy gets shown up to be the limited player he is as he is immediately exposed. Jones and Gough were solid enough and I don't actually blame Jones for the goal, it was a slice of luck which unfortunately dropped to a player who is bang in form at the moment.
Unfortunately I have to mention Bree. Dear oh dear. I can only assume he was on the Sherry yesterday as he was absolutley woeful. Why on earth was he allowed to keep taking set plays? Every single one was shocking. How may times did he not beat the first man? He was no better in open play and constantly gave the ball away. He offers nothing going forward either - he seems immune to being dropped though as he is a Jones favourite.
None of the subs impacted the game in any way and you could hear in the tone of Steve Brown's voice that he didn't agree with Doherty coming on or where Campbell was initially asked to play. The sight of Lloyd Jones bollocking Campbell for standing and watching a loose ball on the edge of our box kind of summed his afternoon up.
We need fresh legs in January and if the budget is limited we need to spend wisely. IMO we should only be looking to loan a left wing back as Edwards will hopefully be back at some point and the money is best used on a midfielder.
Really hoping Jones can do an about turn in relation to the load market. In the Championship you are shopping in a very different loan market and there will be Premier League options - we need some better attacking options and more mobility in the team, you'd like to think that loans might be the answer there.
Ultimately, if we are going to continue to 'play' this way then we need a decent, experienced target man as none of the forwards we currently have are able to fulfil that role at the moment.3 -
Exactly. If there is anything you need to know about playing Norwich is that they can't keep clean sheets. So attacking them would be very beneficial. The fact we never had a shot on target against them is criminal.The Red Robin said:
Norwich aren’t SouthamptonForeverAddickted said:
Other than the memory of the 1-5 defeat to Southampton where we did similar with no defensive Wing-Backs?The Red Robin said:There was no need to set up like that and not start with Apter and Campbell as wing backs and take the game to Norwich.
NJ must be thanking his luck that he was in the stands & not able to come over to the fans at the end because he really would have got what for.4 -
I sense the Chelsea ticket sales will now slow a bit ☹️2
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We can’t actually play football, but don’t worry — it’s all about what we do when we don’t have the ball. Apparently possession is optional.CHARLTON fans 2025/264
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golfaddick said:
Exactly. If there is anything you need to know about playing Norwich is that they can't keep clean sheets. So attacking them would be very beneficial. The fact we never had a shot on target against them is criminal.The Red Robin said:
Norwich aren’t SouthamptonForeverAddickted said:
Other than the memory of the 1-5 defeat to Southampton where we did similar with no defensive Wing-Backs?The Red Robin said:There was no need to set up like that and not start with Apter and Campbell as wing backs and take the game to Norwich.
NJ must be thanking his luck that he was in the stands & not able to come over to the fans at the end because he really would have got what for.Not meaning to be an excuse, but the last paragraph probably had a part to play in the performance, which it obviously shouldn’t.
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So you guys got what you wanted without TC starting. How did that go?
We had two decent crosses, both from him when he finally came on. Bet he starts Monday, thankfully.
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Created nothing, deserved nothing. Set pieces pathetic. Kaminski kept us in it.
I live in Norfolk. A number of my mates were at the game. They were just relieved at the points.
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