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Atmosphere at the Valley
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When I go to a gig or a festival I stand up as i have no other option (Some of the places I have watched bands in from the early 90’s never had any seats)Braziliance said:
It makes a massive difference standing up.shirty5 said:Would standing up make the atmosphere any better at home games? Possibly but the authorities would not be impressed with the club as shown in October 2023
Since then Safe Standing has come into the top of the Upper Covered End. The only way around it would be to make the whole end safe standing but then you reduce your capacity and revenue coming in
You only need to look at a gig, festival, or some of the best 'ultras' in football. The best atmospheres are always people standing up. Gives your body more freedom and vocals travel better. (That's science.)In a football ground with a designated seat I have that option to sit down and I can still make as much noise as I so wish as well. Provided the individuals in front are sitting but where I sit in the Upper Covered end they are very aware of elderly people around them who may not have that option to stand up all game.3 -
Sit in the covered end (upper) and the atmosphere in the ground is generally good. Don’t accept that the atmosphere is awful and much better at other clubs.4
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Interesting to read all the above remarks about atmosphere from our home end POV.Ellis Simms mentioned our atmosphere in his post-match interview after Coventry game, and said how tough they found it because of the home fans and how loud etc we were.Maybe it's not coming across in the stands but seems that whatever atmosphere is being created in the home ends is making an impression on the pitch.If we're making it uncomfortable for the away team and adding to there pressure, then keep doing whatever it is we're doing.8
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I sit in the east stand and they do sing along to songs encouraging the team. They dont usually sing along to mundane stupid songs like the Adams family and disrespect to the visiting town etc. Some of our songs are pathetic.9
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I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands1
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Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.5
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Lampard was saying similar - there's no doubt that when the side are at it, in the second half in particular, we are helping to suck the ball into the net - the alternative is you get a ground where the singers congregate near the away fans but then you don't get the home end suction factor - it works and always has - the kop, the holte end, the north bank, highbury - there's a reason spurs built a massive home end at their new ground - its coz previously their singers were on the shelf down the side - very few grounds have all 3/4 sides singing most of the game but do at certain times in games and that's when when the place is really buzzing and the valley is a brilliant stadium for locking that sound in and onto the pitch.stoneroses19 said:Interesting to read all the above remarks about atmosphere from our home end POV.Ellis Simms mentioned our atmosphere in his post-match interview after Coventry game, and said how tough they found it because of the home fans and how loud etc we were.Maybe it's not coming across in the stands but seems that whatever atmosphere is being created in the home ends is making an impression on the pitch.If we're making it uncomfortable for the away team and adding to there pressure, then keep doing whatever it is we're doing.6 -
It does make a difference. When you stand your arms are more free, movement correlates with noise, think lead singers and people making speeches making movements. There is definitely something behind movement, energy and sound.follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
In the covered End lower, if you sit, there is no leg room, literally zero if someone sits near you, you can barely move your arms, whereas at least if you stand, people can shuffle backwards and forwards, your arms become more free, similar to Portman Road.
Obviously I've ruffled a few feathers with this view about our home support, but the thread asked a question, and I answered it. We could do a lot lot more imo.
Happy to start chants away, as it feels people will get involved, at home, it's egg on face scenario, you do it in the West and you get looked at like you've disrupted a minutes silence.
As fans, our voices can directly impact the game negatively or positively, and I don't think we do anywhere near enough at home.
As for the comments about it being noisy from players and managers, it's just being media savvy. Like when a manager says "it's a tough place to come" at quite literally any ground in the UK. It's a complete cliché.
Away there is no denying when we are at it, we really are at it. Plenty of Pompey fans told me we were the best to visit Fratton Park all season again, at home, if the CE Upper and some sections of the Lower decided to be quiet, you wouldn't hear much. Other than when we score maybe.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.6 -
I’m a great fan of standing the whole game but obviously that’s easier done at away games than home games, particularly if you are a season ticket holder and so are most of those around and in particular behind you. One thing about sitting down in the Covered End (lower north) is that when we attack that end we all quickly jump up to our feet and I’ve often thought the collective sudden movement must be both distracting to the opposition defence and encouraging for our players at the same time.
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I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands2 -
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I don't know how you manage it in the lower covered end. Sat there once and the leg room was awful but to add standing up every time we go forward and then sit back down again I would have to wear knee pads as I'll end hiting my knees against the seat in front of me all game.
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It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands1 -
If you made it ’safe standing’ then I would stop going in there and I go there for two reasons:shirty5 said:Would standing up make the atmosphere any better at home games? Possibly but the authorities would not be impressed with the club as shown in October 2023
Since then Safe Standing has come into the top of the Upper Covered End. The only way around it would be to make the whole end safe standing but then you reduce your capacity and revenue coming in
1. I like a view high up behind a goal.
2. I like the noise and I enjoy contributing to it. I have never been to a Charlton match in my life without singing, sometimes starting chants (except when I’ve been in the wrong end 😉).
I used to prefer standing when you could stand without having a seat number. With ’safe standing ’ you still get a seat so I don’t see the point in it. I could be behind someone tall like Braziliance or someone who moans about it like - er - Braziliance- sorry. What’s the point in standing when you can’t move about freely or jump up and down without being encumbered by seats?
In fact, it can be argued that the seats make it less safe because if they aren’t going to be used then don’t they just get in the way? Until I see any logic to current ’safe standing’ I will reject it.
Back on thread: I think thatthe atmosphere at The Valley is decent. Norwich’s and Portsmouth’s were worse than they used to be (judging by Charlton TV). Is any problem ours specifically?3 -
I sit in the East, the atmosphere at The Valley is good. If you do regular away games you’ll know it compares favourably to others.If you think it’s poor then you have unrealistic expectations.When the atmosphere really takes off is when it spreads out the Covered End to the other stands. Only songs that are sung at a slower speed, or have a prolonged slower part of the song, or don’t have a ridiculous amount of fast words achieve that as the speed of most songs the Covered End sing and the drummer beats are too fast.Ones that manage to get joined in by the East:
We’re on the waaaaay
Every Saturday we follow
Come on you reds
Nathan Jones red (and white) army - when slower
Everywhere we goooo5 -
Agreed!Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands1 -
I think the middle ground, which u see if u watch other games & has been discussed here before, is offer first 3 or so rows as seating (firstly to existing STH’s so there are no excuses) or pockets of seating (where possible). Hopefully that will stop the moaning!jimmymelrose said:
If you made it ’safe standing’ then I would stop going in there and I go there for two reasons:shirty5 said:Would standing up make the atmosphere any better at home games? Possibly but the authorities would not be impressed with the club as shown in October 2023
Since then Safe Standing has come into the top of the Upper Covered End. The only way around it would be to make the whole end safe standing but then you reduce your capacity and revenue coming in
1. I like a view high up behind a goal.
2. I like the noise and I enjoy contributing to it. I have never been to a Charlton match in my life without singing, sometimes starting chants (except when I’ve been in the wrong end 😉).
I used to prefer standing when you could stand without having a seat number. With ’safe standing ’ you still get a seat so I don’t see the point in it. I could be behind someone tall like Braziliance or someone who moans about it like - er - Braziliance- sorry. What’s the point in standing when you can’t move about freely or jump up and down without being encumbered by seats?
In fact, it can be argued that the seats make it less safe because if they aren’t going to be used then don’t they just get in the way? Until I see any logic to current ’safe standing’ I will reject it.
Back on thread: I think thatthe atmosphere at The Valley is decent. Norwich’s and Portsmouth’s were worse than they used to be (judging by Charlton TV). Is any problem ours specifically?0 -
Drives me absolutely fkn barmy. It's the sole reason I am gonna move elsewhere. I would rather sit the whole game and only stand when the goal goes in like the quieter stands instead of the fairly frequent half stand ups and sit downs. Even then I can only sit really cause there are empty seats near me, if it was full, there is genuinely no leg room.letthegoodtimesroll said:I’m a great fan of standing the whole game but obviously that’s easier done at away games than home games, particularly if you are a season ticket holder and so are most of those around and in particular behind you. One thing about sitting down in the Covered End (lower north) is that when we attack that end we all quickly jump up to our feet and I’ve often thought the collective sudden movement must be both distracting to the opposition defence and encouraging for our players at the same time.
I got it there this season as I always thought everyone stood in CE Lower and I prefer standing at football with a eyeline or thereabouts view of the pitch.Karim_myBagheri said:I don't know how you manage it in the lower covered end. Sat there once and the leg room was awful but to add standing up every time we go forward and then sit back down again I would have to wear knee pads as I'll end hiting my knees against the seat in front of me all game.
All my season tickets have been a mix of CE Upper, NW Upper, West Lower and West Upper.
Sorry moaning over. On the flip side the people who sit near me are lovely lads.0 -
I’m convinced that if the Covered End sang VFR back to it’s original speed then the Curbs Stand and maybe even some ’Westerners’ would join in.Chippycafc said:I sit in the east stand and they do sing along to songs encouraging the team. They dont usually sing along to mundane stupid songs like the Adams family and disrespect to the visiting town etc. Some of our songs are pathetic.
It could be fantastic, akin to at Spurs when they sing ’oh when the Spurs’ really slowly.
Why do the Covered Enders rush it so much? I think that it’s become a vicious circle: because singing it so fast has made it virtually impossible,, certainly unenjoyable, to sing (I really struggle to join in nowadays) then everyone goes more quickly because they want to get it over with.
Sorry to say it but the clapping at the end has become ill-deserved as it must now be the most badly sang song at any football ground.
My challenge to @Braziliance who has been moaning about the atmosphere is to use his videos to change the culture of VFR renditions at The Valley. Listen to Mull of Kintyre and then sing VFR at this speed in a video with some mates behind the goal at a match. If you want to get a lit of people singing around the whole ground, my bet is that this is how to do it. It’s our unique song that epitomises our club. Take some pride in it, please.11 -
That seems like the best (most realistic) overall assessment to me.AFKABartram said:I sit in the East, the atmosphere at The Valley is good. If you do regular away games you’ll know it compares favourably to others.If you think it’s poor then you have unrealistic expectations.When the atmosphere really takes off is when it spreads out the Covered End to the other stands. Only songs that are sung at a slower speed, or have a prolonged slower part of the song, or don’t have a ridiculous amount of fast words achieve that as the speed of most songs the Covered End sing and the drummer beats are too fast.Ones that manage to get joined in by the East:
We’re on the waaaaay
Every Saturday we follow
Come on you reds
Nathan Jones red (and white) army - when slower
Everywhere we goooo
One thing I would add based on being ever-present via Charlton TV if not in person: we have been flat sometimes in the recent bad run, inevitably, but we haven't turned on the team they way I have heard home crowds do this season when they can't beat poor little Charlton. Birmingham a classic recent example. And that's the downside for clubs like them and other big names further north such as Leeds and especially Sunderland. I really admire Sunderland's support, but when things are going badly, they turn very quickly. The Stadium of Light can be terrifying, but it can also be terrifyingly toxic for the home team. I remember Glenn Hoddle when he was manager of Sheffield Utd, praising the Valley crowd. He said "they are patient with their team". I think that has generally remained true throughout our time back at the Valley. it probably comes from most of us at different times having to wonder what it was we were supporting in that shithole in Croydon, or worse, whether we would still have a club at all in a few months time.4 -
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands1 -
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Love this jimmy.jimmymelrose said:
I’m convinced that if the Covered End sang VFR back to it’s original speed then the Curbs Stand and maybe even some ’Westerners’ would join in.Chippycafc said:I sit in the east stand and they do sing along to songs encouraging the team. They dont usually sing along to mundane stupid songs like the Adams family and disrespect to the visiting town etc. Some of our songs are pathetic.
It could be fantastic, akin to at Spurs when they sing ’oh when the Spurs’ really slowly.
Why do the Covered Enders rush it so much? I think that it’s become a vicious circle: because singing it so fast has made it virtually impossible,, certainly unenjoyable, to sing (I really struggle to join in nowadays) then everyone goes more quickly because they want to get it over with.
Sorry to say it but the clapping at the end has become ill-deserved as it must now be the most badly sang song at any football ground.
My challenge to @Braziliance who has been moaning about the atmosphere is to use his videos to change the culture of VFR renditions at The Valley. Listen to Mull of Kintyre and then sing VFR at this speed in a video with some mates behind the goal at a match. If you want to get a lit of people singing around the whole ground, my bet is that this is how to do it. It’s our unique song that epitomises our club. Take some pride in it, please.I agree, somewhere in the past 15 years VFR has defo been sped up! Sloooow down.Dare i say it…. Forests version is good…1 -
"the mist rolling in from the Trent...."jimmymelrose said:
It’s our unique song that epitomises our club.Chippycafc said:I sit in the east stand and they do sing along to songs encouraging the team. They dont usually sing along to mundane stupid songs like the Adams family and disrespect to the visiting town etc. Some of our songs are pathetic.2 -
I sit just nearer the away end other side of directors box and our atmosphere can get going but we need a following wind , we haven’t got the personality or passion of these northern clubs who don’t need a big challenge and a manager jumping up and down trying to orchestrate some noise from the fans .
When it does get going it’s decent enough , i’m one of the oddballs who will join in from the west lower but there’s minimal signing from there .
id love us to be a wall of noise and passion for 90+ mins of hard graft and a work out to support the Addicks but that’s just my wet dreams where we bring 7k to Blackburn tomorrow and sell out all away ends wherever in the country and under any Circumstances.
@PragueAddick Hoddle never managed Sheffield utd … Swindon or soton were his S teams I think
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@jimmymelrose curious to how you see no logic to safe standing? It's undeniably safer than standing on either old terraces or newer seated areas.0
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That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.1 -
I thought the lighting was poor towards the end of the first half, they hadn't turned the dial around enough. After that it was fine.WSA said:On a positive - the lights and advertising hoardings look pretty cool. (Shot taken from your video @Braziliance)
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We have a pretty decent atmosphere at The Valley. Most grounds are quiet when they're nervy. When the team show us something, we respond. I remember Alex Ferguson saying it's hard to contain us when the crowd get going.
I agree that what's happened to VFR is sad. That was a proper, haunting, classic anthem that is now being butchered every week.2 -
I don't think it's that unrealistic. It's just people singing, and energy is contagious, I bet there are thousands of fans at our games that want to sing but feel conscious as no one around them is.killerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.
If these grounds are quiet, all the more reason to be the outlier. Imagine being the only ground in the country where all 4 sing.
Bit of tongue in cheek there as I have been to plenty of grounds where they at least all join in on their club anthem.1 -
Absolute no chance there, I think it's so ingrained there is no going back.jimmymelrose said:
I’m convinced that if the Covered End sang VFR back to it’s original speed then the Curbs Stand and maybe even some ’Westerners’ would join in.Chippycafc said:I sit in the east stand and they do sing along to songs encouraging the team. They dont usually sing along to mundane stupid songs like the Adams family and disrespect to the visiting town etc. Some of our songs are pathetic.
It could be fantastic, akin to at Spurs when they sing ’oh when the Spurs’ really slowly.
Why do the Covered Enders rush it so much? I think that it’s become a vicious circle: because singing it so fast has made it virtually impossible,, certainly unenjoyable, to sing (I really struggle to join in nowadays) then everyone goes more quickly because they want to get it over with.
Sorry to say it but the clapping at the end has become ill-deserved as it must now be the most badly sang song at any football ground.
My challenge to @Braziliance who has been moaning about the atmosphere is to use his videos to change the culture of VFR renditions at The Valley. Listen to Mull of Kintyre and then sing VFR at this speed in a video with some mates behind the goal at a match. If you want to get a lit of people singing around the whole ground, my bet is that this is how to do it. It’s our unique song that epitomises our club. Take some pride in it, please.
I actually stop singing it now when people butcher it/sing it too fast.
As you say, it feels like people want it over with.0 -
it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sectionskillerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.0
