Atmosphere at the Valley

Off_it

DOUCHER said:

Off_it said:

DOUCHER said:

SporadicAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

follett said:

Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere. 

Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game. 

Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.

That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure. 

DOUCHER said:

Rothko said:

Croydon said:

fenaddick said:

I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands 

I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imo 

It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadays 

Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.   

It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.

The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end. 

it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sections  

Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?

No but i don't need to - i've worked in the construction industry for 40 years and could estimate half of London in a morning so trust me.

What do you do in construction? 

QS

So if your client wanted you to sign off on work costing "a few million" that didn't increase capacity, produced no additional income and devalued one of the potential corporate entertaining spaces they already had, with the sole purpose of enhancing the acoustics, would you question their business acumen - or maybe their sanity?

SporadicAddick

Off_it said:

DOUCHER said:

SporadicAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

follett said:

Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere. 

Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game. 

Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.

That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure. 

DOUCHER said:

Rothko said:

Croydon said:

fenaddick said:

I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands 

I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imo 

It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadays 

Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.   

It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.

The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end. 

it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sections  

Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?

No but i don't need to - i've worked in the construction industry for 40 years and could estimate half of London in a morning so trust me.

What do you do in construction? 

Guess stuff by the sounds of it.

DOUCHER

Off_it said:

DOUCHER said:

Off_it said:

DOUCHER said:

SporadicAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

follett said:

Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere. 

Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game. 

Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.

That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure. 

DOUCHER said:

Rothko said:

Croydon said:

fenaddick said:

I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands 

I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imo 

It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadays 

Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.   

It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.

The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end. 

it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sections  

Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?

No but i don't need to - i've worked in the construction industry for 40 years and could estimate half of London in a morning so trust me.

What do you do in construction? 

QS

So if your client wanted you to sign off on work costing "a few million" that didn't increase capacity, produced no additional income and devalued one of the potential corporate entertaining spaces they already had, with the sole purpose of enhancing the acoustics, would you question their business acumen - or maybe their sanity?

i'm not doing a business case / appraisal on it, i'm telling you how much it would cost - client's come to me to ask how much something will cost before wasting any money / fees so its my job to anticipate what needs doing and price it before any designs are in place - i can see what would be required - the club could come to me for any of their ground development proposals and i would do estimates for them for free. 

SporadicAddick

DOUCHER said:

Off_it said:

DOUCHER said:

Off_it said:

DOUCHER said:

SporadicAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

follett said:

Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere. 

Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game. 

Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.

That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure. 

DOUCHER said:

Rothko said:

Croydon said:

fenaddick said:

I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands 

I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imo 

It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadays 

Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.   

It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.

The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end. 

it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sections  

Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?

No but i don't need to - i've worked in the construction industry for 40 years and could estimate half of London in a morning so trust me.

What do you do in construction? 

QS

So if your client wanted you to sign off on work costing "a few million" that didn't increase capacity, produced no additional income and devalued one of the potential corporate entertaining spaces they already had, with the sole purpose of enhancing the acoustics, would you question their business acumen - or maybe their sanity?

i'm not doing a business case / appraisal on it, i'm telling you how much it would cost - client's come to me to ask how much something will cost before wasting any money / fees so its my job to anticipate what needs doing and price it before any designs are in place - i can see what would be required - the club could come to me for any of their ground development proposals and i would do estimates for them for free. 

I’m sure they’ll be in touch 😉

DOUCHER

SporadicAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

Off_it said:

DOUCHER said:

Off_it said:

DOUCHER said:

SporadicAddick said:

DOUCHER said:

killerandflash said:

Braziliance said:

follett said:

Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere. 

Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game. 

Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.

That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure. 

DOUCHER said:

Rothko said:

Croydon said:

fenaddick said:

I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands 

I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imo 

It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadays 

Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.   

It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.

The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end. 

it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sections  

Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?

No but i don't need to - i've worked in the construction industry for 40 years and could estimate half of London in a morning so trust me.

What do you do in construction? 

QS

So if your client wanted you to sign off on work costing "a few million" that didn't increase capacity, produced no additional income and devalued one of the potential corporate entertaining spaces they already had, with the sole purpose of enhancing the acoustics, would you question their business acumen - or maybe their sanity?

i'm not doing a business case / appraisal on it, i'm telling you how much it would cost - client's come to me to ask how much something will cost before wasting any money / fees so its my job to anticipate what needs doing and price it before any designs are in place - i can see what would be required - the club could come to me for any of their ground development proposals and i would do estimates for them for free. 

I’m sure they’ll be in touch 😉

Well, the offers there and i mean it - i would happily do estimates for them for nothing that would normally cost them thousands - converting the covered end into a single tier is gonna be way down their list and probably never but there's plenty of other stuff on the horizon and consultants will be tryng to get a bit of the action - i'd do it for nothing.  

CharltonManor1966

I have a confession to make.......
I sit in the West upper and in general I make very little noise unless we score and then I shout "pip pip" and clap my hands but it doesn't make much noise with my gloves on I'm afraid.
I am inclined however to join in almost too gustiiy with the red red robin as the teams come out.   
Back in the 60's and 70's I was quite different - in the covered end I was to be found jumping and bouncing around and singing "2468 who do we appreciate" and rattling my rattle with impunity.
I got a smack in the mouth once from a fellow fan as I had apparently sung too loudly in his lug-hole.
Nowadays it's all I can manage to climb the very tiring steep steps up to the West Upper.with my flask.
As for standing up? By the time I am up the opposition have equalised and I need to sit back down again! .
No such thing as safe standing any more for me I'm afraid.
As for my rattle and rosette? Parked in a drawer, but still fondly gazed upon occasionally as I look back on past times at the valley when I was a much more vociferous and vocal supporter. 
I do really appreciate the fantastic vocal support from the whole of the North stand. Keep up the great work - the team, the whole ground and club appreciate you and what you do.

MOBY DUCK

Forgive me if I’ve missed it in this thread, but I’m surprised no one’s mentioned moving the ‘yoof’ back to E & F Block.

Covered End E & F were the original noisy / standing zone. Right on the edge of the pitch and Corner flag.

When it was extended upwards the very furthest back section was designated as the ‘singing area’ - effectively encouraging E & F block to move up there. That was a fundamental balls-up by the club imo. In time honoured tradition of making bad decisions, we then doubled down on that balls-up and installed the safe standing units up there.

Quickest and Cheapest fix for me is to move the designated ‘singing’ area back to E & F block. Install all the safe standing railing / seats down there (extending towards the Curbside if required), thereby fixing the crippling leg room issues.

Noise from that lower tier travels quicker and further into the stadium and will have the ‘effect’ many here are hoping for. 

Covered End Upper (if it’s not already) becomes increasingly populated by the older generation of ‘noise makers’ who don’t want to stand all game anymore.

Simples.

AFKABartram

MOBY DUCK said:

Forgive me if I’ve missed it in this thread, but I’m surprised no one’s mentioned moving the ‘yoof’ back to E & F Block.

Covered End E & F were the original noisy / standing zone. Right on the edge of the pitch and Corner flag.

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The noise from there doesn’t carry far with the Upper roof so far away. It’s almost an uncovered seating section 

DOUCHER

MOBY DUCK said:

Forgive me if I’ve missed it in this thread, but I’m surprised no one’s mentioned moving the ‘yoof’ back to E & F Block.

Covered End E & F were the original noisy / standing zone. Right on the edge of the pitch and Corner flag.

When it was extended upwards the very furthest back section was designated as the ‘singing area’ - effectively encouraging E & F block to move up there. That was a fundamental balls-up by the club imo. In time honoured tradition of making bad decisions, we then doubled down on that balls-up and installed the safe standing units up there.

Quickest and Cheapest fix for me is to move the designated ‘singing’ area back to E & F block. Install all the safe standing railing / seats down there (extending towards the Curbside if required), thereby fixing the crippling leg room issues.

Noise from that lower tier travels quicker and further into the stadium and will have the ‘effect’ many here are hoping for. 

Covered End Upper (if it’s not already) becomes increasingly populated by the older generation of ‘noise makers’ who don’t want to stand all game anymore.

Simples.

been discussed loads i'm afraid - the reason the singers are always at the back of a stand is because they are nearer the roof which makes it easier to generate noise

MOBY DUCK

Fair point about the roof height AFKA.

Although the JS roof is higher than the old CE roof - which was always lauded for its better acoustics. Having a cupped or shallow roof is no guarantee of amplification.

Still think a safe standing Lower CE fixes most of our issues here on the cheap. Volumes being ‘caught’ at the back versus ‘evaporating’ at the front are all a bit guess work to me, but I’d bet it’s not a lot different. Plus our loudest element get to give out the abuse and praise right at the pitch side again.

paulsturgess

Don’t really care about any or all of our lame copied chants, but VFR when sung how it used to be 20+ years ago - there was nothing like roaring that out. 

fenaddick

MOBY DUCK said:

Forgive me if I’ve missed it in this thread, but I’m surprised no one’s mentioned moving the ‘yoof’ back to E & F Block.

Covered End E & F were the original noisy / standing zone. Right on the edge of the pitch and Corner flag.

When it was extended upwards the very furthest back section was designated as the ‘singing area’ - effectively encouraging E & F block to move up there. That was a fundamental balls-up by the club imo. In time honoured tradition of making bad decisions, we then doubled down on that balls-up and installed the safe standing units up there.

Quickest and Cheapest fix for me is to move the designated ‘singing’ area back to E & F block. Install all the safe standing railing / seats down there (extending towards the Curbside if required), thereby fixing the crippling leg room issues.

Noise from that lower tier travels quicker and further into the stadium and will have the ‘effect’ many here are hoping for. 

Covered End Upper (if it’s not already) becomes increasingly populated by the older generation of ‘noise makers’ who don’t want to stand all game anymore.

Simples.

I'm not actually sure this is true. I go to the safe standing section when I can and it's fairly youthful (by our standards) when the equivalent blocks in the lower appear to have a higher average age. No one in the safe standing section has sat down at all any time I've been up there. I could be totally wrong but that's my gut feel

jimmymelrose

CAFCTrev said:

jimmymelrose said:

Chippycafc said:

I sit in the east stand and they do sing along to songs encouraging the team. They dont usually sing along to mundane stupid songs like the Adams family and disrespect to the visiting town etc. Some of our songs are pathetic. 

It’s our unique song that epitomises our club.

"the mist rolling in from the Trent...."

Oh, ha ha, like I never knew 

We had to fight to get back to The Valley. They have never had to fight for their ground.

The song epitomises a fighting spirit and a love of a ground that they can't get anywhere close to.

TootingRedArmy

The atmosphere is entirely related to what happens on the pitch, where we are in the division and importance of the match. Go back to play off semi final it was electric, earlier this season it was superb, going a goal behind in 2 mins v Coventry is like getting a puncture, naturally it’s flatter. I think from 3 away games I’ve been to this season Charlton fans are more vocal at The Valley and continue singing pretty much through 90+ mins far better support than home fans at Bristol City, QPR & Pompey.
I’m very happy to be sat in middle of the East stand, of course it doesn’t have the vocal support of the covered end. The view is most important thing for me seeing the game from the side angle. Going to away matches, standing behind the goal, when we’re attacking the other end it’s considerably harder to see what’s happening than sitting in the middle of a stand from the side. I’m no fan of standing up maybe it’s age and having a knackered knee but sitting down doesn’t stop me encouraging the team and singing along to some of the covered end chants. 

If we start to climb the table or turn over a team at the Valley the atmosphere will turn up a few notches and feel good factor will come back. 

CombeMartin

I completely agree with the above, even down to where I sit, middle of the East stand halfway up the height and have done since it was built, almost exactly where I used to stand on the East terrace.  Sitting there I have a good appreciation of the noise being generated by both sets of fans.

Going a goal behind in the 2nd minute against Coventry especially after what happened at the end of the Pompey game rather hit us all (with memories of the way the Southampton game went from bad to worse still with us), however we started to get back into it fairly quickly (Leaburns early shot) and our noise improved and Coventry's subsided. It was almost as though their fans saw the writing on the wall approaching considering their last 2 results.

In the 2nd half we went for it and the Coventry fans were almost silent, so what I'm getting at is (at Charlton) the noise from the fans is generated by what happens on the pitch in the current game and together with the teams performance in the recent games too.

No surprise really, but this dosn't seem to apply to all clubs, considering the season they've had so far Coventry were surprisingly quiet !

One more thing, the capacity in the away end when we were in the Premier League was quoted as 3289.         

shine166

MOBY DUCK said:

Forgive me if I’ve missed it in this thread, but I’m surprised no one’s mentioned moving the ‘yoof’ back to E & F Block.

Covered End E & F were the original noisy / standing zone. Right on the edge of the pitch and Corner flag.

When it was extended upwards the very furthest back section was designated as the ‘singing area’ - effectively encouraging E & F block to move up there. That was a fundamental balls-up by the club imo. In time honoured tradition of making bad decisions, we then doubled down on that balls-up and installed the safe standing units up there.

Quickest and Cheapest fix for me is to move the designated ‘singing’ area back to E & F block. Install all the safe standing railing / seats down there (extending towards the Curbside if required), thereby fixing the crippling leg room issues.

Noise from that lower tier travels quicker and further into the stadium and will have the ‘effect’ many here are hoping for. 

Covered End Upper (if it’s not already) becomes increasingly populated by the older generation of ‘noise makers’ who don’t want to stand all game anymore.

Simples.

Nobody from j block (where most of the noise is located) will be wanting to move there. North upper has far better acoustics and a better view.

sam3110

Maybe, just maybe, we leave it all as it is and accept that we aren't Steaua Bloody Bucharest and that our atmosphere is still above average, and actually pretty good when we've got something to sing about

TootingRedArmy

As my above post I’ve only been to 3 Aways this season,  next V Millwall but I have been really surprised  by how quiet the home teams support has been, only really being vocal once a goal is scored, our away support is superb, loud and consistent throughout the match, which I’m sure encourages Nathan & the team. 

I will be very interested to go to The Den and see if the Lions roar or whimper, one thing is sure the double decker away end will be loud and proudly supporting The Addicks & making a noise, just need to finally put an end to the hoodoo and get a victory, now that really will shut up Millwall

Croydon

I've only missed two matches so far this season and the only atmosphere I've been impressed with (and not for the first time) was Derby's.

Portsmouth and Wrexham were both OK, but nowhere near as good as previous visits.

We are definitely above average compared to some grounds in this league, but as others have said it us completely reliant on what's happening on the pitch.

letthegoodtimesroll

TootingRedArmy said:

As my above post I’ve only been to 3 Aways this season,  next V Millwall but I have been really surprised  by how quiet the home teams support has been, only really being vocal once a goal is scored, our away support is superb, loud and consistent throughout the match, which I’m sure encourages Nathan & the team. 

I will be very interested to go to The Den and see if the Lions roar or whimper, one thing is sure the double decker away end will be loud and proudly supporting The Addicks & making a noise, just need to finally put an end to the hoodoo and get a victory, now that really will shut up Millwall

When one set of fans is making a lot of noise it often tends to shut the other set of fans up. When we go away the noise seems to start before the game has even started and unless we concede a goal it tends to continue hence the home fans usually struggle to get going.

CAFCTrev

jimmymelrose said:

PragueAddick said:

AFKABartram said:

 I remember Glenn Hoddle when he was manager of Sheffield Utd, praising the Valley crowd. He said "they are patient with their team". 

The most unwarranted vilified person in English football of all time. If he were French, he’d have had the status of Platini or Zidane. Hoddle was an unrecognised God of English football. Never has a sacking been so unjustified as he was punished for his religious beliefs. If we’d stuck with him, we wouldn’t have been trophyless during the noughties.

We weren’t winning France ’98. At best, we might have scraped past Argentina — and even that only feels likely because they needed Beckham’s sending-off to get through us. After that we’d have faced the Dutch, who were on a completely different level at the time. Then you’re talking about Brazil and France after that? No chance. France showed exactly how big the gap was when they comfortably beat us at Wembley in the February 1999 friendly.

Personally Euro 2004 is the only 90s/00s tourney I felt we really could have won. 

KBslittlesis

Zero atmosphere at Ewood Park atm.
I can only hear our support.